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Keller Camilli

April 14, 2010

            You may remember that in the past I have shown that one can make what looks like the record of one player by splicing together the careers of two different players, if you find two players who

            a) have exceptionally similar skills, and

            b) have good seasons at different ages, so that you get the best seasons of both players.

 

            While I was working on the Short Career Guys, I realized that Charlie Keller and Dolph Camilli make a really good spliced career, as follows:

 

 

AGE

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

SPct

OPS

22

111

398

87

133

21

6

11

83

81

49

6

.334

.447

.500

.947

23

138

500

102

143

18

15

21

93

106

65

8

.286

.411

.508

.919

24

140

507

102

151

24

10

33

122

102

65

6

.298

.416

.580

.996

25

152

544

106

159

24

9

26

108

114

61

14

.292

.417

.513

.930

26

141

512

97

139

15

11

31

86

106

60

7

.271

.396

.525

.922

27

134

498

69

133

28

3

16

87

53

94

4

.267

.342

.432

.774

28

156

602

88

157

23

5

25

83

65

113

9

.261

.336

.440

.776

29

151

530

106

167

29

13

28

102

116

84

5

.315

.441

.577

1.018

30

131

475

101

161

23

7

27

80

90

82

6

.339

.446

.587

1.034

31

146

509

106

128

25

11

24

100

119

101

6

.251

.393

.485

.879

32

157

565

105

164

30

12

26

104

110

107

1

.290

.409

.524

.933

33

142

512

92

147

29

13

23

96

89

83

9

.287

.397

.529

.926

34

149

529

92

151

29

6

34

120

104

115

3

.285

.407

.556

.962

35

150

524

89

132

23

7

26

109

97

85

10

.252

.372

.471

.843

36

95

353

56

87

15

6

6

43

65

48

2

.246

.365

.374

.739

38

63

198

24

42

5

2

2

19

35

38

2

.212

.330

.288

.618

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2156

7756

1422

2194

361

136

359

1435

1452

1250

98

.283

.398

.503

.901

 

            That’s Charlie Keller up to age 26, Dolph Camilli from age 27 on.   Both players scored 100 runs several times, but had career highs of 106.   Keller’s career highs were 33 homers, 122 RBI; Camilli’s were 34 and 120.   Keller hit .334 once but otherwise under .300; Camilli hit .339 once but usually under .300.   Both players walked 100+ times a season.   When you splice their careers together you get all of their good years except one.   Keller had a good year at age 29, which we lose because Camilli was better.   Also:

            1)  Both Keller and Camilli were left-handed hitters, and both are listed at 5-foot-10, 185 pounds.

            2)   I was very surprised to see the number of triples.    When you put them together you still have a fairly short career, but you have 136 triples.    I would bet that both of these guys ripped the ball into the right field corner pretty regularly. 

            3)  You know, if this was one career, this guy would have a career won-lost contribution of 339-105—and I would bet that he still wouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.  His career is still short, his average is just .283, and he hit just 359 home runs.   With the .900 OPS modern fans would understand his value, but sportswriters from the era when these guys were really active wouldn’t have gotten it.

 

            Since I have you here, I’m going to add one more player to the Short Career file:  Pete Reiser.    Pete Reiser was the favorite player that Branch Rickey ever discovered, in his countless years of signing Hall of Fame baseball players.    Rickey saw Reiser playing as a 15- or 16-year-old on the sandlots of St. Louis, and was so impressed with his athleticism and style of play that he hired him to be his “driver” for the summer, until Reiser was old enough to sign a professional baseball contract.    Reiser spent the summer (I believe the summer of 1937) at Branch Rickey’s side, as Rickey travelled around supervising the Cardinal farm system, and then signed with the Cardinals.

            Reiser was “emancipated” by Commissioner Landis in 1939.    Rickey had developed a system of controlling large numbers of minor league players and minor league teams. . .a farm system.    Commissioner Landis didn’t like the concept of a farm system, which replaced or strongly modified the system which had been created in the 1915-1925, in which players worked their way up the minor league ladder by being sold from team to team, allowing minor league operators to profit by the development of young players.    Rickey replaced that with a top-down management system in which he signed and controlled the players from an early age by owning outright the minor league teams and owning rights to the players.

            Landis didn’t like the whole idea and was determined to stop it, and there was another problem, which was that Rickey controlled teams that competed with one another head-to-head in the minor leagues.   In one case there were six teams in a minor league, and Rickey controlled three of them.   Landis argued—correctly—that this undermined the integrity of the league, because it placed Rickey in a position to manipulate the outcome of the league’s pennant race.  Based on this objection (and as a pretext for the fact that Landis just didn’t like the farm system concept), Landis declared a bunch of the Cardinals’ minor league prospects to be free agents, able to sign with other teams.   People write now that Rickey was involved in “shenanigans” with his minor league signings, but that’s not exactly true; it is more that Landis just didn’t like what Rickey was doing.

            Anyway, Reiser was one of the players that Landis made a free agent.   Rickey was horrified at losing all of the minor league players—dozens—but the one that really hurt him was the loss of Reiser, who was not only the best prospect he had ever had, but also his personal pet.   Rickey, acting as Reiser’s “agent”, more or less, arranged for Reiser to sign with the Dodgers, but with the agreement that he was to be traded back to the Cardinals sometime later. 

            Once the Dodgers saw what they had in Reiser, however, they refused to trade him back to the Dodgers.   Reiser came to the Dodgers in mid-season, 1940, initially competing for the shortstop job with a player with a very similar name.   Pee Wee Reese.   Reiser was nowhere near the shortstop that Reese was, so they tried him at third base, that failed, and they moved him to the outfield.

            As an almost-rookie in 1941, Reiser had a fantastic season, hitting .343 with 39 doubles, 17 triples, 14 homers.   He was 22 years old.  Leo Durocher, who managed Reiser that summer and later Willie Mays, when Willie came to the majors, said that Reiser and Mays were by far the best young talents he ever had or ever saw.

            Early in the 1942 season, hitting .380, Pete Reiser ran full-speed into a concrete wall.    This ruined his 1942 season.  Reiser was in the Army 1943-1945, playing for service teams, and, once he got out of the Army, he began regularly to run into outfield walls.   Several times he ran into outfield walls so hard that he knocked himself cold, and was carried off the field.    Ultimately and mostly because of the wall-related injuries, he was unable to complete the brilliant career which he had begun.

            These are Reiser’s basic numbers:

 

YEAR

Team

Age

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SB

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

1940

Dodgers

21

58

225

34

66

11

4

3

20

15

2

.293

.418

.338

.755

1941

Dodgers

22

137

536

117

184

39

17

14

76

46

4

.343

.558

.406

.964

1942

Dodgers

23

125

480

89

149

33

5

10

64

48

20

.310

.463

.375

.838

1946

Dodgers

27

122

423

75

117

21

5

11

73

55

34

.277

.428

.361

.789

1947

Dodgers

28

110

388

68

120

23

2

5

46

68

14

.309

.418

.415

.832

1948

Dodgers

29

64

127

17

30

8

2

1

19

29

4

.236

.354

.382

.736

1949

Braves

30

84

221

32

60

8

3

8

40

33

3

.271

.443

.369

.812

1950

Braves

31

53

78

12

16

2

0

1

10

18

1

.205

.269

.367

.637

1951

Pirates

32

74

140

22

38

9

3

2

13

27

4

.271

.421

.389

.811

1952

Indians

33

34

44

7

6

1

0

3

7

4

1

.136

.364

.208

.572

 

            And this is how that shakes out as Win Shares and Loss Shares:

 

 

Batting

Fielding

 

 

Total

 

 

YEAR

Team

Wins

Losses

Wins

Losses

 

 

Wins

Losses

W Pct

WS V

1940

Dodgers

4

4

2

1

 

 

7

5

.570

8

1941

Dodgers

21

-1

6

1

 

 

28

0

.983

41

1942

Dodgers

18

1

4

3

 

 

22

4

.839

31

1946

Dodgers

13

5

4

2

 

 

17

7

.703

21

1947

Dodgers

11

5

3

2

 

 

15

7

.689

19

1948

Dodgers

3

3

1

1

 

 

4

3

.517

4

1949

Braves

6

3

1

2

 

 

7

5

.575

8

1950

Braves

2

2

0

1

 

 

2

3

.413

2

1951

Pirates

4

2

0

1

 

 

4

4

.524

4

1952

Indians

0

2

0

0

 

 

1

2

.210

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

83

26

22

15

 

 

105

41

.720

137

 

            Because Reiser was a spectacular player, people would remember later that he was the MVP in 1941, when the Dodgers won their first National League pennant in twenty-plus years.   In fact, he wasn’t the MVP; Camilli was.

            One of the peculiarities of award voting is that RBI men do extremely well in MVP voting, whereas they do poorly in Hall of Fame voting.   Camilli was the Dodger’s RBI man, and he won the MVP Award as RBI men often do, with Reiser second in the voting.    Camilli held a 19 to 2 edge in first-place votes—but was it right?

            Look, I love guys like Camilli; the good-fielding first baseman who hits .280 with 30 homers and 115 walks. ..that guy can play for me any day of the week.    But at this point, knowing what I now know, I am inclined to think that Reiser may have had the better season.  We have Reiser with a won-lost contribution of 28-0, Camilli at 26-3.   That’s not a big margin; that’s just maybe 7-10 runs, and we can easily be wrong by that amount.   But. . .what I know today, I’d vote for Reiser.

            Career, we’d rate him between Ray Chapman and Jim Ray Hart:

 

 

Batting

Fielding

Pitching

Total

Winning

Player

Won

Lost

Won

Lost

Won

Lost

Won

Lost

Pct

Fi V

Sal Maglie

11

20

0

0

131

63

142

83

.631

149

Bobby Shantz

16

12

0

0

137

87

153

99

.607

146

Freddie Lindstrom

134

98

48

42

0

0

182

141

.564

144

Ray Chapman

99

80

55

23

0

0

154

103

.599

143

Pete Reiser

83

26

22

15

0

0

105

41

.720

140

Jim Ray Hart

108

52

22

27

0

0

130

79

.622

132

Lu Blue

154

99

37

64

0

0

191

163

.539

131

Johnny Allen

15

21

0

0

130

86

145

107

.576

122

 
 

COMMENTS (5 Comments, most recent shown first)

bjames
Who was better: Hurricane Hazle or Shane Spencer?
9:37 PM Apr 18th
 
nhinton
I know that a Short Career is not the same as a Flash in the Pan,but I can't help but mention Bob (Hurricane) Hazle.
5:46 PM Apr 16th
 
jeremyc
Good article, Bill. My understanding of the Rickey-Reiser situation was that Rickey was basically trying to hide Reiser with the Dodgers, at the time run by Rickey's friend and protege Larry MacPhail. If I remember my reading of Dodger's history, MacPhail agreed to keep Reiser in the minors for a few years until it was safe for Rickey to take him back (and not be accused by Landis of more shenanigans). But Reiser's production in the Dodger's minor league system was so immense that it wouldn't make sense to keep Reiser down (thereby raising Landis' curiosity, to say the least). If I remember correctly, Rickey begged MacPhail to continue keeping Reiser in the minors, which MacPhail couldn't do. So, their agreement was pretty much forcibly broken!
It's been pointed out by others that if Reiser hadn't played in Ebbets Field, he may very well have avoided the colossal head injuries he received by continually running into the outfield wall, and thereby fulfilled his early promise.
11:51 AM Apr 16th
 
evanecurb
One of the best sports stories ever written was "The Rocky Road of Pistol Pete" by W.C. Heinz. It is available in the Fireside Book of Baseball and in other anthology series, including a collection of Heinz's work that is available on Amazon.com
11:13 AM Apr 15th
 
Steven Goldleaf
Bill, I was just thinking of Reiser today, in reference to thoughts about luck and durability (which overlap, to my mind). Lee Lowenfish's bio of Branch Rickey and other sources (Neyer on blunders, maybe) make the case that Reiser was put in the lineup (by Durocher) with no regard whatsoever for his own well-being, which is a kind of colossal bad luck, to play in an era which(and for a man who) valued macho over common sense to such a degree. It's pretty easy to imagine most of these short-termers catching a break here or there (Reiser one or two fewer walls, Jim Ray one or two more pivotal AA meetings, etc.) and acheiving the things you speculate about here.
5:49 AM Apr 15th
 
 
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