2018 Gallery of Renown - Voting Results

December 25, 2017
The ballots have been submitted and tallied.  Here are the results….
 
There were 64 ballots submitted this year, surpassing the 55 that were submitted in 2017.  Thanks to everyone who took the time to submit a ballot and for continuing to support the memory of our friend Bob Gregory and his brainchild.
 
Remember that points were awarded MVP-style:  10 players per ballot, in order, with 14 points for each 1st place, 11 points for 2nd place, 8 points for 3rd, then 7-6-5-4-3-2-1.  
 
Below are the results, sorted by point total.  Also, it shows the breakdown of how many of each "place" they received (# of 1st place votes, # of 2nd place votes, etc.), as well as the number of total votes (that is, how many ballots that the player was included on), the % of ballots in which the candidate was included, and the total points received.
 
No player was named on all 64 ballots, and 37 players received at least one vote.
 
According to the structure of this voting, the top 2 point recipients are inducted into the Gallery of Renown.  Congratulations to Chipper Jones and Tom Glavine!  We’ll start working on the plaques immediately. 
 
Chipper was a runaway winner, earning more than half of the first place votes.  Jim Thome gave Glavine a run for his money, but had to settle for 3rd place. 
 
Place
Name
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
# of Ballots Named On
% of Ballots Appeared On
Total Points
1
Chipper Jones
34
9
5
7
3
1
2
1
 
 
62
96.9%
698
2
Tom Glavine
7
13
8
9
6
7
1
2
5
2
60
93.8%
461
3
Jim Thome
3
10
17
5
4
4
8
4
3
1
59
92.2%
418
4
John Smoltz
5
4
8
4
9
8
7
6
4
2
57
89.1%
356
5
Mike Mussina
4
4
2
6
12
6
6
4
6
1
51
79.7%
309
6
Vlad Guerrero
2
4
7
6
8
6
6
6
1
5
51
79.7%
297
7
Manny Ramirez
2
12
2
3
3
5
4
2
1
1
35
54.7%
265
8
Curt Schilling
3
4
4
5
4
7
5
5
6
2
45
70.3%
261
9
Gary Sheffield
1
 
3
5
4
 
2
3
4
7
29
45.3%
129
10
Larry Walker
 
1
1
2
3
6
4
5
2
5
29
45.3%
121
11
Scott Rolen
 
 
 
 
1
4
3
6
3
3
20
31.3%
65
12
Trevor Hoffman
 
 
1
2
1
 
3
3
4
4
18
28.1%
61
13
Sammy Sosa
 
1
1
2
1
1
1
 
2
3
12
18.8%
55
14
Jim Edmonds
 
 
 
2
 
1
3
2
2
2
12
18.8%
43
14
Dave Stieb
2
 
 
1
 
 
 
 
4
 
7
10.9%
43
16
Rafael Palmiero
 
 
1
 
1
2
3
 
2
 
9
14.1%
40
17
Kevin Brown
 
1
 
1
2
 
 
1
 
4
9
14.1%
37
18
Bernie Williams
 
1
 
 
 
2
1
1
 
4
9
14.1%
32
19
Kenny Lofton
 
 
1
1
 
 
 
1
3
5
11
17.2%
29
20
Jeff Kent
 
 
1
 
1
 
 
2
2
1
7
10.9%
25
21
Jorge Posada
 
 
 
1
 
1
 
1
4
 
7
10.9%
23
22
Johan Santana
 
 
1
1
 
 
 
1
1
 
4
6.3%
20
23
Willie McGee
1
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
1
3
4.7%
18
24
Carlos Delgado
 
 
1
 
1
 
 
 
 
2
4
6.3%
16
25
Andruw Jones
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
2
2
 
5
7.8%
14
26
Billy Wagner
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
1
1
1
4
6.3%
11
26
Matt Williams
 
 
 
 
 
 
2
1
 
 
3
4.7%
11
26
Jamie Moyer
 
 
 
1
 
 
1
 
 
 
2
3.1%
11
29
David Cone
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
1
3
5
7.8%
8
29
Omar Vizquel
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
1
 
 
2
3.1%
8
31
Orlando Cabrera
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
 
 
 
1
1.6%
5
32
Kevin Millwood
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
 
 
1
1.6%
4
33
Nick Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
 
1
1.6%
3
34
John Olerud
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2
2
3.1%
2
34
Tony Phillips
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
 
1
1.6%
2
36
Tim Wakefield
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
1
1.6%
1
36
Hideki Matsui
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
1
1.6%
1
 
Vacant
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
1
1.6%
1
 
 
Remember that in every year ending in "0", managers are elected, and in every year ending in "5", contributors are elected.
 
2018 Chipper Jones, Tom Glavine
2017 Craig Biggio, Ivan Rodriguez
2016 Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Thomas
2015 Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez.....Vin Scully, Frank Jobe
2014 Greg Maddux, Mike Piazza
2013 Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens
2012 Fred McGriff, Andre Dawson
2011 Jeff Bagwell, Edgar Martinez
2010 Barry Larkin, Roberto Alomar.....Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa
2009 Rickey Henderson, Darrell Evans
2008 Tim Raines, Mark McGwire
2007 Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn
2006 Kirby Puckett, Will Clark
2005 Wade Boggs, Goose Gossage.....Joe Garagiola, Mel Allen
2004 Paul Molitor, Dennis Eckersley
2003 Eddie Murray, Ryne Sandberg
2002 Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammell
2001 Dave Winfield, Lou Whitaker
2000 Nolan Ryan, Carlton Fisk.....Whitey Herzog, Sparky Anderson
1999 George Brett, Robin Yount
1998 Gary Carter, Bert Blyleven
1997 Pete Rose, Graig Nettles
1996 Ted Simmons, Keith Hernandez
1995 Mike Schmidt, Bobby Grich.....Buck O'Neil, Lefty O'Doul
1994 Steve Carlton, Don Sutton
1993 Reggie Jackson, Phil Niekro
1992 Tom Seaver, Fergie Jenkins
1991 Rod Carew, Gaylord Perry
1990 Joe Morgan, Jim Palmer.....Earl Weaver, Dick Williams
1989 Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski
1988 Willie Stargell, Luis Tiant
1987 Roger Maris, Luis Aparicio
1986 Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda
1985 Lou Brock, Dick Allen.....Marvin Miller, Harry Caray
1984 Billy Williams, Joe Torre
1983 Brooks Robinson, Harmon Killebrew
1982 Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson
1981 Bob Gibson, Juan Marichal
1980 Al Kaline, Ron Santo.....Walter Alston, Leo Durocher
1979 Willie Mays, Nellie Fox
1978 Roberto Clemente, Hoyt Wilhelm
1977 Ernie Banks, Jim Bunning
1976 Ken Boyer, Don Drysdale
1975 Willard Brown, Early Wynn.....Walter O'Malley, George Weiss
1974 Mickey Mantle, Eddie Mathews
1973 Whitey Ford, Ralph Kiner
1972 Sandy Koufax, Robin Roberts
1971 Yogi Berra, Warren Spahn
1970 Duke Snider, Minnie Minoso.....Billy Southworth, Al Lopez
1969 Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter
1968 Richie Ashburn, Ray Dandridge
1967 Ray Brown, Lou Boudreau
1966 Ted Williams, Larry Doby
1965 Joe Medwick, Hal Newhouser.....Bill Veeck, Ed Barrow
1964 PeeWee Reese, Joe Gordon
1963 Roy Campanella, Monte Irvin
1962 Jackie Robinson, Bob Feller
1961 Stan Hack, Billy Herman
1960 Dizzy Dean, Wes Ferrell.....Casey Stengel, Wilbert Robinson
1959 Satchel Paige, Johnny Mize
1958 Biz Mackey, Jud Wilson
1957 Joe DiMaggio, Joe Cronin
1956 Buck Leonard, Luke Appling
1955 Willie Wells, Cool Papa Bell.....Branch Rickey, Jacob Ruppert
1954 Arky Vaughn, Bill Dickey
1953 Mel Ott, Hank Greenberg
1952 Josh Gibson, Martin Dihigo
1951 Jimmie Foxx, Paul Waner
1950 Al Simmons, Mule Suttles.....Joe McCarthy, Bill McKechnie
1949 Carl Hubbell, Gabby Hartnett
1948 Turkey Stearnes, Charlie Gehringer
1947 Lefty Grove, Oscar Charleston
1946 Heinie Groh, Bill Foster
1945 Lou Gehrig, Frankie Frisch.....Kenesaw Landis, Bill Klem
1944 Bullet Rogan, Goose Goslin
1943 Rogers Hornsby, Mickey Cochrane
1942 Bill Terry, Joe Sewell
1941 Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
1940 Max Carey, Pete Hill.....Miller Huggins, C.I. Taylor
1939 Harry Heilmann, Wally Schang
1938 Pop Lloyd, Smokey Joe Williams
1937 George Sisler, Joe Jackson
1936 Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins
1935 Cristobal Torriente, Stan Coveleski.....Rube Foster, Connie Mack
1934 Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
1933 Walter Johnson, Zach Wheat
1932 Louis Santop, Jose Mendez
1931 Roy Thomas, Bobby Veach
1930 Tommy Leach, Bill Monroe.....John McGraw
1929 Spottswood Poles, Frank Grant
1928 Frank Baker, Roger Bresnahan
1927 Larry Doyle, Bobby Wallace
1926 Sherry Magee, Joe Tinker
1925 Ed Walsh, Johnny Evers.....Ban Johnson
1924 Mordecai Brown, Eddie Plank
1923 Honus Wagner, Sam Crawford
1922 Christy Mathewson, Nap Lajoie
1921 Fred Clarke, Clark Griffith
1920 Frank Chance, Addie Joss.....Frank Selee
1919 Vic Willis, Jimmy Sheckard
1918 Elmer Flick, Joe Kelley
1917 Cy Young, Bill Dahlen
1916 Willie Keeler, Rube Waddell
1915 George Davis, Hugh Duffy.....Bob Ferguson
1914 Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
1913 Jake Beckley, Bob Caruthers
1912 Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan
1911 Jesse Burkett, Mickey Welch
1910 Hughie Jennings, George Van Haltren.....Ned Hanlon
1909 Ed Delahanty, Ned Williamson
1908 Pud Galvin, Pete Browning
1907 Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
1906 Charlie Bennett, Bid McPhee
1905 Harry Stovey, George Gore.....Daniel "Doc" Adams
1904 Roger Connor, Sam Thompson
1903 Cap Anson, Buck Ewing
1902 Dan Brouthers, Jack Glasscock
1901 Tim Keefe, Monte Ward
1900 Jim O'Rourke, John Clarkson.....Jim Mutrie
1899 King Kelly
1898 Paul Hines
1897 Hoss Radbourn
1896 Deacon White
1895 Tommy Bond.....William Hulbert
1894 Charley Smith
1893 Jim McCormick
1892 Joe Start
1891 Dick McBride
1890 Cal McVey.....Harry Wright
1889 Dickie Pearce
1888 George Wright
1887 Ross Barnes
1886 Jim Creighton
1885 Al Spalding.....Henry Chadwick
 
Thanks to all for their participation.  I’m sure Bob Gregory would be proud.
 
Dan
 
 
 

COMMENTS (14 Comments, most recent shown first)

Jpenglish
Scott Rolen at 11!! who were the ad wizards that came up with that one...
7:56 AM Dec 29th
 
tigerlily
Dan - Just want to thank you for keeping this project going.
6:57 PM Dec 27th
 
MarisFan61
(typo -- I know "thatm" isn't a word) :-)
8:41 PM Dec 26th
 
MarisFan61
Vent: Besides that it's great to see you here, I'm totally with your take.
(Although I must admit I couldn't tell where you were going when you said the "that vs. if" thing. :-)

The way I've put it -- and I think we mean essentially the same -- is that if I think a player's apparent 'greatness' was significantly a product of PED's, that's not greatness, and it's not a Hall of Famer.
Paraphrased: If I think he would have been a Hall of Fame level player even without PED's, he's a Hall of Famer.
(And when I feel I'm in doubt, I at least wait.)

How can I tell???
I just do the best I can.
And when I feel I can't tell with enough confidence....see thatm parenthetical part up there.
8:40 PM Dec 26th
 
brian14leonard
MWeddell, I didn't think we were on opposite sides...just wanted to give my opinion and show that, at least in one case, a non-vote for Manny had nothing to do with his PED use. If you are correct, then I am probably wrong. If I were an actual HoF voter, I'd have looked into it very carefully before making a decision...but I'm not, and I didn't. Dividing the steroid era into two parts seems very possibly legitimate to me, but I'm not sure I'd jump into that pool.

ventboys, I mostly agree with you, although I have a hard time ascribing all of Sosa's qualifications to PEDs. Again, it calls for a closer look, which I haven't taken. Clearly Bonds and Clemens were great players without the stuff, although I think Bonds wouldn't be getting compared to Ruth without them. Re Joe Morgan, I see what you did there...

I wonder what people think about Aaron. My boss is completely convinced that he used PEDs up until he broke the record. Has Aaron (and maybe others of his era) been discussed here anywhere?
4:50 PM Dec 26th
 
ventboys
I've always struggled with how to formulate these Hall of Fame opinions in light of the PED era. I never had a problem with the usage itself -to me, it's just the latest version of accepted cheating the game has always winked at, like throwing spitballs or stealing signs - but with being fair to the guys who weren't obviously using the stuff.

My I came up with a solution several years ago, but I just now figured out how to explain it: I don't care THAT a player used steroids, but I care IF a player used steroids.

I won't say Rafael Palmiero is disqualifed for using PEDs, but I'll say he's UNqualified because he would not have been good enough without them. I won't say Sammy Sosa go to Hell for using, but I'll say Sammy Sosa get behind all the guys who were as good as you when you weren't doing the hitting equivalent of dunking basketballs using a trampoline.

Is Jeff Kent disqualified because he played far better in his decline phase than in his prime? No, of course not. But I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt - not in THAT era - and without that unnatural career shape he would be a laughable candidate. Even with it, he ain't exactly Joe Morgan.

Steroids, spitballs, great home parks, playing for great teams or in high offensive eras (or low ones for pitchers) ... all these things can be to a player's advantage in the race for the Hall of Fame. It's up to us to decide how much of it we want to allow, and how much we prefer to dismiss.

The beauty of the Hall of Fame Discussion is that it's personal choice. I choose to allow but compensate for what I consider compelling evidence of PED use. Judge the play, not the player, so to speak.
4:29 PM Dec 26th
 
MWeddell
Brian:

I didn't vote for Palmeiro and M. Ramirez (nor will I vote for A-Rod presumably) because they took steroids after it was clearly cheating and after it was clear that steroid use would affect one's Hall of Fame candidacy. I ignored steroid use before 2005 though. Therefore, I'm not on the opposite side of the steroids debate from you.

Manny always seemed lackadaisical about his fielding and baserunning or, more broadly, anything other than his batting. I think it likely that he hurt his teams in some hidden ways.

After admitting that much, I wouldn't criticize Manny for intentionally slacking off on his job when he wanted to be traded. What we know is (1) Manny sat out one game and the end of a road trip and (2) the Boston media accused him of slacking off but then the Boston media tears down nearly every Red Sox star on his way out of down. I just read David Ortiz' autobiography and I've read Terry Francona's autobiography and I don't get the sense that the Manny's behavior was so indefensible as to disqualify him from the Hall.

My impression of Manny is that was very poor at defending his reputation in the media because he didn't like talking to the media, he cared little about what others thought of him, he wasn't comfortable giving interviews in English instead of Spanish, and he (bluntly) wasn't very smart (see the lengthy article in Baseball America written by his own agent after Manny signed with Boston).
1:06 PM Dec 26th
 
brian14leonard
MWeddell,

Why I did not/would not vote for Ramirez or Palmiero:

I believe Palmiero lied his ass off before a Congressional committee and took an incredibly hypocritical and superior stance in doing so. To me, that disqualifies him for honors like the HoF and GoR. Anyone is free to try and convince me I'm wrong, either factually or philosophically or both.

I believe Manny slacked off on his job when he wanted to be traded. (Nothing to do with steroids.) To me, that disqualifies him for honors like the HoF and GoR. Anyone is free to try and convince me I'm wrong, either factually or philosophically or both.

Brian L.
11:44 AM Dec 26th
 
DMBBHF
MWeddell,

Thanks for catching that typo on the "9" vs. "0". I've corrected it in the article, but the website sometimes doesn't refresh edits right away....but it will eventually.

Thanks again,

Dan
8:43 AM Dec 26th
 
MWeddell
Also, the extent to which GOR voters view steroid era candidates was commented on in some of the comments to other threads. I see a bit of a nunaced approach, not an all or nothing approach. When I look at the results for Manny Ramirez and Rafael Palmeiro, I see at least some anti-steroids sentiment there.
8:29 AM Dec 26th
 
MWeddell
There should be a zero instead of a nine in this phrase: "Remember that in every year ending in "9", managers are elected... "

Thanks for running this, Dan.

You might make a note to emphasize next year that a ballot needs to cast a vote for ten candidates in order for it to be valid. It's easier to draw the line there than anywhere else. Agreed that you made the right decision this year to include the ballot with 9 votes given that it didn't make a material difference.

I believe Dave Stieb falls off the ballot next year.

Looking to next year, Mariano Rivera is a top tier candidate. Roy Halladay, Todd Helton and Andy Pettitte are all respectable candidates. I'd guess that Rivera and Thome will get in next year, although it's difficult to predict how GOR voters will evaluate Rivera.
8:22 AM Dec 26th
 
DMBBHF
Hi guys,

Thanks for the comments. It's certainly fun administering this.

I suppose technically I shouldn't have included that one ballot, and if it had made any significant difference in the final results, I wouldn't have counted it, but it only slightly impacted the final standings (the highest position it would have changed was around position #14), so I let it slide. Might not be the best precedent to set, and I guess we can always re-evaluate, but I decided not to throw it out.

Thanks,
Dan
7:46 AM Dec 26th
 
MarisFan61
Yes Dan -- great job (including the nice writing as always! not to be overlooked) , and thanks for doing this again.
Including because of what a nice honoring it is of Bob.

About the one person leaving out the 10th spot: I think it should be allowed. We want as much participation as possible ('within reason,' whatever we decide that to be), and I think it would be silly to tell someone to get lost just because he doesn't think anyone deserves the 1 point for the last spot. I understand that it goes against what Bob put forth and what has been done so far, also that it might be seen as risking "creep" into leaving out other spots, but still: Seems to me we should strongly urge people to use all 10 slots but not make an issue of it if someone goes just 9.
7:36 AM Dec 26th
 
Patrick
Thanks for running this and tallying the results, Daniel. Chipper Jones and Tom Glavine are two very-worthy inductees.

Got to wonder about the voter who had Willie McGee first, accounting for 14 of McGee's 18 points. He wasn't the best player here.

Also, I don't think the nine-name ballot is valid. Everyone else listed 10, even if they didn't believe there were 10 qualified players. That should be a requirement.
2:57 AM Dec 26th
 
 
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