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All of Yaz, why not play all of Yaz?

October 18, 2016
 

Fireball Wenz recently posted an intriguing little quiz recently in Reader’s Posts that tied in neatly with an oddity I’ve been tracking down, as yet another digression in my study of Batter’s Families.  (Isn’t this a terrific gig? I keep getting sidetracked, and I keep getting more article-ideas from every new sidetrack.)  Looking through the numbers on bbref splits, I was surprised to learn that, alone among the great hitters on the all-time list of plate appearances, Carl Yastrzemski stood out like a gangrenous big toe for having a sizable difference in his OPS facing right-handed and left-handed pitching, very nearly a .200 difference in OPS over a 23-year career.

That’s a lot, but not necessarily a lot for an average player, who will routinely sit on the bench on days when an especially tough pitcher for him is on the mound.  Even Willie Stargell and Willie McCovey (about whom, more later), lefty sluggers I studied in the last Batter’s Families piece, had significant platoon differences, but that was one of my main points about the WiIlies: they got platooned a lot, maybe even, in retrospect, too much.  What sticks out about Yaz was how little he got platooned, with that sizable platoon split, and how much time he spent high up in the Red Sox batting order against left-handed pitching with so many other good batters in the lineup.

I noticed Yaz’s platoon split because it was by far the largest of the twelve career plate-appearances leaders I looked at in that Batter’s Families study. The split was much more typical of a player who was platooned for much of his career, or at least who was "rested" frequently against tough same–side pitchers. (In Yaz’s case, that same side was the left side. Yaz batted lefty, as you no doubt recall, but he threw right-handed, which allowed him to play a little third-base in 1972, an oddity I wrote about in my first contribution to Bill James’ work in the 1986 Baseball Abstract. There are a few more moments where my own life intersected with Yaz’s career, which motivates me to explore that career in a little depth. Though I might seem to be making observations about Yaz that are a little negative, rest assured I’m interested because I’ve been a fan of his for over fifty years, a fanship I’ll raise here where it seems even vaguely relevant. This is a labor of love, I assure you. Tough love, maybe, but love nonetheless.)  With that sort of platoon split, you’d wonder, as I did, how it was that Captain Carl avoided being platooned substantially.  After all, I reasoned, you don’t get on the list of all-time leaders in plate appearances without playing every day for decades. (Yaz is actually #2, behind only Pete Rose in Career Plate Appearances.)  I even expressed in my splits article the heretical view (in New England anyway) that some Sox manager might have noticed somewhere along the line, "Hey, Carl isn’t doing too well facing lefties lately, maybe I should give him a day or two off."

With that kind of platoon disadvantage, there must have been periods when Yaz wasn’t hitting lefties at all. Further, I reasoned that Yaz also had (as all Sox hitters do) a significant advantage hitting at Fenway, meaning that he was at a similar disadvantage on the road (.904/.779 OPS, Fenway/Road), so facing a lefty on the road when he was going through a particular down period makes it seem almost inevitable that Yaz must have had some road trips when he not only couldn’t hit lefties in theory but wasn’t hitting lefties at all in practice. And still he played every day for decades on end.

By way of an (admittedly unfair) comparison, look at Yaz next to Henry Aaron. It’s fair, in that this comparison is between the two highest platoon differences among the top 12 all-time PA leaders, but of course it’s mostly unfair because, well, it’s Hank Aaron I’m comparing Yaz to, and very few players’ records will look good next to his. Still, it’s instructive: Aaron’s second highest platoon difference on the PA leaders chart is much lower than Yaz’s, as I noted in the previous article, .102 OPS points, a little more than half of Yaz’s .199 point difference. More significant is the level of Aaron’s overall OPS, .944 (Yaz’s lifetime OPS was .841.) The .944 OPS meant that even when Aaron lost .102 OPS points he could clearly outplay anyone else in baseball, while Yaz’s losing .199 OPS points off a smaller base reduced him to a lifetime .642 OPS facing lefties,  not a distinguished mark and especially not for a corner OFer/DH/ 1Bman playing in Fenway Park.  Including pitchers, the team OPS on the Sox during Yaz’s career was higher than .642, meaning that Yaz probably could have been replaced easily against lefties, and helped his team, at some point during the weaker second half of his career. As I say, he played day-in and day-out for decades.

To forestall any thinking that I’m negative on Yaz here, I’ll document my fanship with the coincidence that his career was a lot of peaks and valleys, some of which I witnessed personally. He was a very durable player from his rookie year, 1961, through 1979, when he stopped hitting lefties, almost entirely and almost permanently. I was a resident of Boston in 1978 and the first half of 1979, studying creative writing at BU, so my first office as a graduate instructor was just a few blocks from Fenway Park, and several afternoons during my MA year (Masters degree and Massachusetts) were spent in the cheap seats in Fenway’s grandstand, rooting for Captain Carl and all the Sox. Although I didn’t know it until years afterwards, the first ballgame I’d ever attended, at Yankee Stadium when I was 8, also featured Yaz as a rookie, so I literally witnessed at least some of each end of his productive career, which lasted through those 19 seasons.

Yaz was elected to the Hall of Fame his first shot of the box, in 1989, gaining over 96% of the vote, and no one doubts that he deserves that honor richly, so please don’t get the idea that I’m running him down. But many of his 23 seasons with the Sox were surprisingly unproductive years. He had about the same number of outstanding years as Sandy Koufax did, which surprised me when I looked up his records, not only because Yaz played almost twice as long as Koufax but because I’d thought of their records as being extremely divergent, Yaz getting into the Hall on the basis of a long and stellar career and Koufax getting in on the basis of a much shorter but far more stellar career. As it happens, though, they had about the same number of spectacular seasons, a half dozen or fewer, depending on your definition of "spectacular," and a small number of mediocre seasons in Koufax’s case and a large number of mediocre seasons in Yaz’s. But both their cases for the Hall rest on their five or six best years alone, all of which took place in the decade 1961-1970.

Without getting into the WAR wars, I’ll just note that bbref in its latest WAR 2.2 iteration defines an MVP-type season as being above 8.0 WAR, and an All-Star year as being 5.0 or better. Seasons below 5.0 (down to 2.0 WAR) are those of a regular player. It’s a convenient scale, conforming to a shorthand scale from 1-10 that I’ve used myself from time to time, with a 10 or better being a strong MVP year, a 9 being a regular MVP year, an 8 being a weak MVP-type year, a 7 being a strong All-Star year, a 6 being a regular All-Star year, a 5 being a weak All-Star year, a 4 being a strong regular, a 3 being a regular, a 2 being a weak regular and below a 2 being a substitute.  My system is just shorthand, as I say, the numbers not representing anything besides a 1-10 scale, but it does conform almost exactly to bbref’s careful measurement of WAR values, to which you may or may not subscribe. Its usefulness here is just to indicate Yaz’s and Koufax’s cases for the Hall of Fame.

Simply, I don’t really count anything below 5.0 as qualifying. Decades of 4-4.9 type play qualify, of course, as a good MLB player, and I give lots of credit for good regular play, just not a lot of credit towards the Hall. This is the old argument against "compilers," of course, players who accumulate lots of counting stats due to years of average to above-average play, but who never or rarely rise to the level of exceptional talent which is what the Hall of Fame (to my mind) is intended to honor. I don’t even know if any HoFer is actually there on the basis of compiled records, and I don’t really want to engage in this tedious discussion again, but I do think that some are in on the basis of a half-dozen or more years of excellent play, and others are in on that basis plus numerous years of compiled numbers. Koufax is in on the first score, and Yaz is in on the second. So no one mistakes my purpose here, let me repeat one final time: I think they’re both over-qualified for the HoF.

But year-by-year it may be closer than you’d think, and I was surprised by whose peak seasons ranked higher:

Yaz’s best year was clearly 1967, when he accumulated 12.4 WAR. Koufax’s best was 1963 with 10.7. Advantage Yaz, 1.7 WAR.

Second-best, 1968 for Yaz with 10.5 WAR, and 1966 for Koufax with 10.3. Yaz’s advantage is now 1.8.

Third-best is 1970 for Yaz with 9.5, and 1965 for Koufax with 8.1, almost doubling Yaz’s slim lead to 3.2.

Yaz’s fourth best year in WAR was 1963 with 6.6, Koufax’s fourth-best being 1964 with 7.4.  Yaz’s advantage is down to 2.4.

Yaz’s fifth-best season was 1969 with 5.5, while Koufax’s was 1961 with 5.7, cutting that advantage down to 2.2.

Beyond this point, all the WAR advantages are Yaz’s, so you could say he has an unquestionable edge over Koufax in every way conceivable: He has the three-best individual seasons, he leads by 2.2 WAR over their five best seasons, and he has a huge lead over the remainder of their careers. Furthermore, Koufax’s best years are diminished if you count his negative WAR points as a batter. (I’m not sure if they are already factored in to his pitching numbers, but they’re only a very small negative in any case, ranging from +0.5 to -0.8 WAR.) Yaz accumulated a few more years in the high 4s and low 5s, meaning years as a strong regular/ weak All-Star, while Koufax only put up one more year, 1962, in even that range (4.4)—otherwise, Koufax’s other years don’t amount to anything worth a mention.

It’s on the basis of those five superb years that make both men into first-ballot HoFers. Koufax has zero argument for the HoF outside of those five years, but some folks might argue that Yaz is completely different, playing for 18 other seasons in which he put up, let’s say, weak or arguable HoF numbers. I would dispute that case. Yaz’s case outside of his five best years is pretty weak.

He made the All-Star team in many of those years, won Gold Glove awards aplenty, and put up some decent counting stats in several of those years, though I would argue against each of those qualifications.  The other All-Star game selections, I would argue, are partly due to his reputation from his peak seasons. In themselves, they’re, well, what my counting system (and bbref’s by extension) calls "weak All-Star years" meaning that they’re years in which several players are at that level, some of whom make the All-Star team and some of whom don’t. Yaz did. His career numbers gave him the edge in many of those latter All-star appearances. Since the All-Star team is whatever the voters decide it is, I’m not arguing against Yaz’s selection, simply pointing out that in many of those years (Yaz made the All-Star team in 18 seasons, at LF, at CF, and once at 1B), he wasn’t among the half-dozen best outfielders in the American League, for what that’s worth. (At a guess, he probably deserved about a dozen All-Star appearances at most, selected purely on merit, which is still a dozen more than most players earn.)

Likewise with the Gold Gloves: it’s somewhat unusual to get (and to deserve) a Gold Glove for playing LF, however well, and most of those years there were at least three AL CFers and RFers who deserved a nod over Yaz as one of the league’s three best fielding outfielders. Again, the overall reputation he earned in 1967 and 1968 and 1970 won him his Gold Gloves in 1971 and 1977.  The 1977 Gold Glove is especially suspect: Chet Lemon, Ruppert Jones, Mickey Rivers, and Fred Lynn all made more than a half a play per game than Yaz did in 1977, among those who didn’t win a Gold Glove that season. (Two other AL outfielders who did win a Gold Glove, Juan Beniquez and  Al Cowens , also put up better defensive numbers than Yaz did in 1977, as did several other outfielders who didn’t win the award, like Amos Otis and Lyman Bostock. Most of these players were in their twenties and hadn’t yet built their reputations for defensive excellence. Yaz was 37 years old in 1977.)  But it’s the "counting stats" argument that I’d mostly like to address for a moment here.

It’s well known that Fenway Park is a great advantage for a hitter to have, but it’s no doubt true that Yaz’s strongest years were great offensive years wherever he played, hitter’s park or no. His career year, 1967, when he won the Triple Crown, is famous but it’s less well-known that he actually put up a slightly better OPS in 1970, 10.44 to 10.41 (though relative to league, 1967 is the better year.) And Yaz had a slightly off-setting disadvantage to the great advantage gained by playing in Fenway: his peak career years were in the late 1960s, a notorious down-era for offensive stats.  Still, there’s no denying that Yaz benefitted overall from playing in a hitter’s park for his entire career, or that his entire argument for the Hall of Fame rests on his numbers over his first ten seasons.

From 1961 to 1970, he put up amazing numbers, numbers so spectacular that he could get in the Hall of Fame on them alone: he played 1544 games (out of about 1620 Red Sox games in those ten years) and batted .297 with a .390 OBP and .496 SLG for an overall .887 OPS, in the toughest decade for batters since the dead-ball era.  In 1961-70, he won three batting titles, one Home Run championship (plus two other 40 HR years) and one RBI championship. Would this decade alone qualify Yaz for the HoF? If he had been forced to retire after the 1970 season, I could make a case for him to be inducted, and it’s not the weakest case for the Hall of Fame I’ve seen, by a long shot. But it’s a very solid basis for the Hall as buttressed by a few more years of accumulating counting stats.

Which, I would argue, is essentially what he accomplished, only with many more than a few years of accumulating counting stats: the remainder of Yaz’s career, from 1971 through 1983, is pretty weak sauce, especially when considering what Fenway adds to batters’ stats (plus the improved offense of the 1970s compared to the 1960s). Over the next 13 seasons, Yaz played in 1764 more games and put up a .275 BA with .370 OBP and an .800 OPS. He drove in almost a thousand runs during this period (975) and hit over 200 HRs (210), which sounds very impressive until you realize that he never came very close to leading the league in either category ever again, and only led in a single category (runs with 93 in 1974) in this entire period. His slash figures for the years he played over 144 games during this period is as follows:

 

HR

RBI

BA

1971

15

  70

.254

1972

12

  68

.264

1973

19

  95

.296

1974

15

  79

.301

1975

14

  60

.269

1976

21

102

.267

1977

28

102

.296

1978

17

  81

.277

1979

21

  87

.270

1971-9    (average 146 games)

18

  83

.278

 

That might not look so bad, 18/ 83/ .278, for the downside of a career, but I want you to consider four factors that all degrade the somewhat limited superficial appeal of 18/ 83/.278:

1)     This was achieved batting half his games in Fenway Park

2)     This was achieved playing corner outfield, 1B, and DH

3)     This was achieved playing full-time

4)     This was achieved with a huge platoon split

It is the final one I’d like to focus on here—this is really what this essay is about, though I was distracted by how much of Yaz’s case is based so few dominant seasons. He was a great ballplayer, a deserving Hall of Famer, and at his peak the most riveting player in the game to me—but over these final years he averaged 18/ 83/.278 WHILE BATTING SUBSTANTIALLY WORSE AGAINST LEFT-HANDED PITCHING.  In other words, the Red Sox continued to play him every day with ordinary stats (in addition to the 146 game average, Yaz averaged 610 PAs during this 9-year period) even though he had truly awful stats against left-handed pitching.

Let me show what I mean, though you can extrapolate easily enough from the lifetime .199 career OPS difference that piqued my interest in the first place.

From 1971 through 1979, here’s what he did against left-handed pitching:

 

G

PA

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

1971

76

174

142

15

29

3

1

3

24

2

1

28

32

.204

.333

.303

.636

1972

71

183

155

23

37

5

0

3

24

0

1

21

23

.239

.333

.329

.662

1973

64

166

138

18

32

5

1

3

25

0

2

26

25

.232

.349

.348

.697

1974

76

187

160

27

48

4

1

4

30

1

3

23

24

.300

.380

.413

.792

1975

66

162

146

15

31

4

0

3

17

1

1

14

29

.212

.278

.301

.579

1976

82

179

159

18

37

2

0

6

27

1

0

17

27

.233

.307

.358

.666

1977

76

161

149

19

40

7

1

4

29

2

0

8

10

.268

.298

.409

.708

1978

60

150

131

17

33

3

1

6

22

0

0

14

14

.252

.329

.427

.756

1979

62

134

120

14

26

4

0

1

14

0

0

10

17

.217

.276

.275

.551

 

Now that’s a lot of playing time against left-handed pitching with not very impressive results over a long period of time, between 120 and 160 ABs every single year, exactly 1300 ABs and 313 hits, a .241 batting average over nine seasons, two very full 650 AB seasons to notice that the numbers aren’t maybe so hot. The BA, for example, is actually in line with his previous performance against lefthanders even during his peak decade because his overall BA against lefthanders for his entire career, remember, is a mere .244.  So it wasn’t as if the Sox were waiting for him to revert to previous form—this WAS Yaz’s consistent performance against lefthanders, and they kept sending him out there to face them every day.

In the Sox’ defense, there could be good reasons to keep sending someone out to play every day against left-handed pitching when he wasn’t very good against left-handed pitching:

1)     Yaz played good defense. If your star isn’t good against a certain type of pitcher but you need him in the field, well, bat him lower in the order maybe, and get your offense elsewhere. (414 career games at DH somewhat undermines this argument.)

2)     Platooning Yaz would have been a very unpopular move. Yaz was and is a revered figure in Boston, and platooning him would have taken an awful lot of guts for any manager to decide.

3)     If you don’t have anyone better, clearly better, to replace him with, you have to live with what he gives you.

This is where the Fireball’s quiz comes in. In summary, for those who skipped it, the Sox in 1975 had 8 players with very impressive resumes, five former or future Gold Glove outfielders (Evans, Lynn, Miller, Beniquez, and Yaz), one future HoFer (Rice), one former HR champ (Tony C.), and one current player with a 143 OPS+ in over 400 ABs (Carbo).  It’s a little misleading, in that it takes in four positions, not three (Yaz played almost exclusively at 1B that year, so the implication that the question is about outfielders is wrong, if you took it like that) or really five, since Tony C. played DH that year, and some of the years are pretty flukey (Miller and Beniquez didn’t really do much in MLB, despite their Gold Gloves). But a cool question nonetheless.

As the Fireball noted, the Sox had recently traded away outfielders Reggie Smith and Ben Ogilvie, who would go on to have very productive careers (Smith got them Carbo and Rick Wise, Ogilvie got them a washed-up Dick McAuliffe.). He didn’t mention Cecil Cooper, who had a pretty good year in 1975 (.311 BA in over 100 games at DH and 1B) and who would be traded soon for Boomer Scott, the once and future Sox slugger, nor did he mention Danny Cater, whom they jettisoned that spring.   And for that matter, he might have included 1B-man and DH Deron Johnson (for 3 games) who once upon a time drove in 130 runs in a season.  But my point here, if not the Fireball’s, is that the Sox had corner OFers and DHs and 1B-men coming out of the wazoo in the mid-1970s, whom they discarded like so many deuces in a poker game, yet kept batting Yaz in the middle of the lineup against lefthanded pitching when his numbers were screaming "Hey, I can’t hit these guys anymore!"

If they couldn’t hang onto their own righthanded 1B-DH-corner OF types anymore to platoon with Yaz, you’d think that they could pick one up in a trade or purchase one pretty easily, as they had in 1973, when they got a productive year out of a 35-year old Orlando Cepeda. After all, finding a platoon partner for Yaz, in the form of an aging righthanded bat who can play DH or 1B, sometimes in a corner OF spot (rarely necessary, as Rice and Evans established themselves) just wouldn’t be that hard. Every winter, nearly every NL team has available for trade (or waivers or release) some right-handed slugger  who can’t play the field well or hit righties anymore but who could do a decent job in those 120-160 ABs.

It wasn’t until Yaz had reached the age of 40, after 19 seasons of playing over 93% of Red Sox games, that he became a part-time player in 1980, when he was mostly sit down against left-handed starters.  You can almost date the collapse of the 1979 season, and Yaz’s career, very precisely: the morning of July 8, 1979, Boston was in the middle of a road series in Seattle, and it was almost exactly the halfway point of the season. Boston had just played its 81st game of the year (they would play 160 games, so it’s not exactly halfway) and Yaz had played in 76 of them, starting 74. Here’s how his numbers stood that morning:

AB

R

H

HR

RBI

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

275

44

84

16

56

.305

.397

.553

.950

 

That’s pretty damned good, right? You might even say spectacular, especially for a man a month shy of his 40th birthday. He was halfway to a slash year of 30 HRs, 100 RBI and a .300 BA, even if he dipped slightly in the second half. That .950 OPS, playing every day, would have been the third highest of his long career, behind only the legendary 1967 and the should-be-legendary 1970.  Then in the second half of the season, the racecar that was Yaz’s 1979 blew a tire. And then blew another tire. And then the water pump exploded. Still the Red Sox kept putting him out there every day, and this is how he did, in the remaining half-season starting that afternoon:

 

AB

R

H

HR

RBI

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

243

25

56

5

31

.230

.285

.333

.619

 

He was chasing 3,000 hits at the time (he got it, off the Yankees, on September 12th)  The Red Sox were 51-30  on the morning of July 8th, 2 games behind the Orioles, but well ahead of them on Pythagorean percentage (.627 to .586) so there was every reason for optimism on their part.  From that point on, however, they played .500 ball (40-39, actually) and finished 11 and a half games out.  Yaz’s OPS against lefthanders for the season was .551 and while I don’t want to claim that was more significant than any other factor in the Red Sox’ collapse, it certainly made them reconsider the wisdom of playing Yaz every day. By 1980, he played against lefthanders less than half as often, minimizing the effect of his sub-.600 OPS.

Even after 1979, when the Sox started sitting Yaz down now and then, he still batted remarkably high in the order when he played:  in 1981, he started 85 games, and 80 of them were batting #3 or #4 in the order. (In the other five, he batted fifth.) In 1982, he started all 116 of his games in the cleanup spot.  The Sox had several righthanders I can name in both years who probably should have gotten a few of those at-bats (Lansford, Rice, Evans, Stapleton, Perez) and some younger lefties in need of at-bats (Gedman, Miller, and especially Wade Boggs, who should have been called up in retrospect about a decade before he made the team). The early ‘80s Sox were managed by Ralph Houk, never known for his brilliance in filling out a lineup card nor his boldness in replacing veterans with untried rookies. 

The real question is, What took them so long?  When you look at how he had done for his entire career against left-handed pitching, and the number of righthanded batters sitting on the bench, or available cheap, you have to question playing Yaz everyday past his 40th birthday.

Two of Yaz’s contemporary LFers/1B-men in the NL, whom I’ve written about extensively, are Willie Stargell and Willie McCovey, both of whom had pronounced platoon advantages like Yaz, though slightly less severe:  Stargell’s was  .170 OPS points, and McCovey’s .150.  Both of them were platooned, as I noted, both at the beginnings of their careers and, more significantly, at the ends.  In McCovey’s last ten years in MLB, 1971-1980, he played every day (over 130 games) only one season, and in Stargell’s final decade, 1974-83, he played in over 130 games only twice.

There is something wrong, in my own personal view, with giving at-bats to players when their play no warrants those at-bats, particularly when they’re on a contending team. I’ve witnessed several frustrating scenarios that, in retrospect at least, cry out "Sit the old guy down, awready! Jeez! We’re tryina win a pennant here facryinoutloud!"  Bill has cited Willie Mays with the Mets in 1972 and ’73 as his justified examples of a great player getting playing time, and not disgracing himself, despite his diminished skills at age 40+, and that was one of the first examples I can remember vividly. Willie, like Yaz, was a beloved figure in the city he had begun his career in, but I’d draw a distinction here in that the Mets did not bat Willie in a power slot exclusively (he batted leadoff, or #3 when their weak, injury-ridden roster demanded it) and most of all he didn’t play on a daily basis—far from it.  The Mets later played another HoFer, Mike Piazza, in the middle of their lineup far too long and far too often. His loyal fans continued to insist well into his thirties that Piazza was just in an extended slump, that’s all, and besides his defense wasn’t THAT bad and he might yet improve, citing tiny samples to buttress their case. Across town a few years later, the Yankees continued Derek Jeter’s everyday play after he had clearly demonstrated that it warranted fewer at-bats, a lowered batting order position, and possibly a position move. 

These four (Yaz, Willie, Piazza, Jeter) just come my mind as handy examples of great players past their primes whose playing time can be attributed to their popularity.  (Piazza didn’t actually retire with the Mets. They actually let him go when his contract was up in 2006, and lived out his days playing DH in the AL, a long-overdue venue for him. If he’d been signed through 2017, I suspect Mets fans would still be seeing him behind the dish next opening day.)  I didn’t follow quite as closely the retirement processes for other elderly stars, such as Pete Rose, Cal Ripken, et al, but they were purported to be ill-advised and sad and somewhat ego-driven as well. To the degree that they still had some hits in their bats and could turn a skillful play in the field once in a while, just not as often as they had formerly, of course their fans clamored to see them play their final games. I just wonder about the damage these teams did to themselves by playing them even a little more than their play strictly warranted.

You hear stories to the contrary sometimes, of teams that sat their future HoFers down, kicking and screaming and protesting violently, or even cutting them from a team in contention: the story I remember best along these lines comes from Peter Golenbeck’s Dynasty (generally not the most reliable of sources) in which an aged but still adequate Phil Rizzuto was released in mid-season from a contending Yankee team that had more than its share of adequate middle infielders.  When I first read this tale, a few decades ago, the lesson I took from it was how heartlessly the Yankees, and particularly their GM, George Weiss, treated their great players, but now I’ve come to think otherwise: that was a big reason they won so much, Stengel on the field and Weiss in his office, facing reality head-on and trusting what their eyes told them and not so much their hearts.

Golenbeck’s story about Rizzuto is also poignant, as I recall, for the way the Yankees cut him: instead of telling him, "Phil, you’re out," in Robert Duvall’s blunt tone to Abe Vigoda in The Godfather (or was that Pacino to Duvall in Godfather II?), they handed him a roster and asked him to suggest whom they should cut. They gave him many guesses before he realized what they were trying to tell him.

Cruel, I know, and unpleasant and unpopular. In a way, you almost hope your aging stars are beset with health problems as their skills vanish, so your reluctance to play them can be explained as concern for their well-being. But a farewell tour might not serve anyone concerned, except the fans and perhaps the front office looking to sell a few extra tickets. (I remember thinking in Brooks Robinson’s final season that I should get out to Yankee Stadium sometime and see him play–I had never seen BRobby in person, and I felt this was my final chance to compensate for what I’d missed. Of course, he wasn’t really BRobby by that time, but I suspect that’s the motivation for a lot of fans making the "We-Love-You" tour.)   I kind of miss the practice of just putting popular stars who can’t really play very well anymore into the coaching box at first base, where their fans can cheer them to their hearts’ content with no harm done to the team on the field. Every so often, the playing-coach can get a pinch-hit appearance and a standing O for continuing to inhale oxygen.

I found one other oddity while looking through Yaz’s splits and game-by-game performances: he started 11 games in his career in the # 8 slot, an ignominious fate for a HoF slugger, and I assumed those came in his very final days, but no.  They all came in his rookie season. By the time I saw him play, very late in the 1961 season, he had put a pretty good year together, but what I didn’t realize at the time (or any time really in the past 55 years, until this past weekend) was how amazing it was that Yaz was able to hold his starting job in 1961. He played a lot for a rookie (643 plate appearances) but got off to such a crappy start that I was surprised he was dropped only to the #8 hole, and not back to Minneapolis, or at least the bench:  through June 25th, he had a .229 batting average, a .276 OBP and a .356 SLG, usually a sure-fire formula for losing your hold on a starting position. The Sox manager that year, Pinky Higgins, gets some credit for his faith in the young man’s abilities. After June 25th, Yaz added about 40 points in each category to his season’s totals, and locked up the left field gig for most of the next two decades. Whether he should have held his everyday starting job for all those years, I’ll leave to you to decide.

 
 

COMMENTS (48 Comments, most recent shown first)

Marc Schneider
Grising,

No problem; you are far from the first. I appreciate the apology. :)

Any thoughts as to why Yaz seemed to have a spike in home runs in the late sixties/early seventies but never had big home run years again?
2:33 PM Oct 28th
 
grising
Marc Schneider,

Sorry I butchered the spelling of your name. My apologies.
1:24 PM Oct 26th
 
grising
Mark Schnieder,

In fact, Yaz hit more HRs at home than away, 237-215. Here's Yaz's home and away HRs:

Year Home Away
1961 6 5
1962 11 8
1963 6 8
1964 6 9
1965 16 4
1966 11 5
1967 27 17
1968 11 12
1969 21 19
1970 22 18
1971 7 8
1972 5 7
1973 8 11
1974 5 10
1975 8 6
1976 10 11
1977 14 14
1978 7 10
1979 15 6
1980 5 10
1981 3 4
1982 7 9
1983 6 4
Total 237 215


1:24 PM Oct 26th
 
grising
shinsplint,

I agree with your response to my post.

Also, I'm uncomfortable with counting Koufax's stats as both a pitcher and a fielder (46 chances) since that's sort of double-dipping.

But, as I said, I was using "very rough numbers" to make the point about how comparing the WAR of starting pitchers to that of fulltime position players is not outlandish.
1:20 PM Oct 26th
 
Marc Schneider
I have to say, after looking at Yaz's stats, he was better than I had thought, especially in his early years. I probably was overly influenced by (1) his later years; (2) Ball Four, where Jim Bouton called him an all-star from the neck down; and (3) following Hank Aaron. But he did seem to tail off pretty quickly, although he remained a pretty good hitter. It's interesting, though, that he had a few big home run years, but generally was not a big home run hitter. Did Fenway Park depress his home run totals because it is pretty deep for a lefty hitter?
10:38 AM Oct 26th
 
shinsplint
In regards to impacting plate appearances, it's funny how fielding base hits by outfielders are not considered 'chances' unless they are mishandled and become errors. So Yaz impacted other plate appearances in addition to the ones you mention, grising. Most of those non-chances were uneventful and thus shouldn't be included, but the fly balls not caught, and not called errors, do factor into the impact of an outfielder.
3:32 PM Oct 25th
 
grising
RE: Koufax and Yaz

Just using very rough numbers, starting pitchers and full-time position players impact a similar amount of plate appearances (aka, "batters faced" for pitchers). That's especially true today, when pitchers are pitching a maximum of about 250 IP.

The most batters faced by Koufax was 1297 in 1965. That was 335 IP in 41 games started, including 27 CG. He also had 46 chances as a fielder and 127 (terrible) plate appearances as a batter in 1965. That's a total of 1470 (1297+46+127).

The most plate appearances by Yaz was 719 in 1962. Yaz also had 319 fielding chances in 1962. 719 plus 354 is 1073.

Therefore, Koufax impacted 1470 plate appearances in his fullest season (1965), and Yaz impacted 1073 in his (1962). In terms of career numbers, however, Yaz is way ahead of Koufax by a margin of at least 1.5:1.0 if not higher.
2:18 PM Oct 24th
 
wdr1946
In the nineteenth century, the WAR of leading pitchers was considerably higher than batters- looks at the Old Hoss in 1884 or any of the other great pitchers then. This started to level out in the 1890s, but (without checking) it was probably not until the 1910s that the number of top WARs each year had many more batters than pitchers. No batter in history has ever batted more than one-ninth of the time in a lineup (of course hitters at the top end of the lineup will have more plate appearances)- Babe Ruth in 1921 had to share the Yankee lineup
with eight other guys. There has never been a single exception to this in baseball history. But pitchers are responsible for the entire defensive half of a ball game in every batter they face (minus, of course, the role of fielders), and face 27 + batters in a complete game. The Babe in 1921 only came to bat 4-6 times in most games. It is strange that the WARs of the best hitters and pitchers are so similar.
6:39 PM Oct 22nd
 
shinsplint
I believe there may be some kind of natural balance thing going on there, Steven. Even in periods of high hitting like the 90s, the standard deviation, at the team level, of runs allowed stayed pretty close to the standard deviation of runs scored. And the same occurs during periods of low hitting, like the 60s. The good pitchers and hitters rise to the top in any hitting environment.

A lot depends on usage patterns for pitchers, I guess. Individual pitchers nowadays don't pitch as many innings as 30 years ago, but maybe excel a bit more as they are more rested. I'd be surprised to see the top-level pitchers or position players get up to twice as valuable as the other. I think the game has evolved to the point where there probably isn't any strategic way to squeeze enough value out of either type of player to make them all that much better than the other.
1:34 PM Oct 22nd
 
Steven Goldleaf
I wonder if that's more of a coincidence, shinsplint, or a natural balance in the game itself. Historically, has the proportion of pitchers' value begun as slightly more than batters' value, and slowly decreased to the point where it's drawn even and now gone slightly less than batters' value, but always been somewhere around equal, give or take? Could we reach the point where batters truly are twice as valuable as pitchers, and are paid, for example, in that proportion?
8:20 AM Oct 22nd
 
shinsplint
wdr, it doesn't seem surprising to me, although I like the serendipity of it. Just eyeballing it, a starting pitcher faces roughly 20 to 30 percent more hitters than hitters face pitchers. Position players get to add more impact via defense than individual pitchers, but that impact is not generally as high as what is gained for the player offensively. So it comes close to having it even out between pitchers and position players.
7:41 AM Oct 22nd
 
wdr1946
Yes, but if they are regulars the other eight play every day, unlike pitchers. The surprising thing about pitchers' WAR is how closely their peaks match those of position players, despite the fact that they play only one-fourth (now one-fifth or less) as often.
5:02 PM Oct 21st
 
Steven Goldleaf
If you look on the playing field, only one out of every nine defensive players is a pitcher.
8:50 PM Oct 20th
 
wdr1946
The main reason why Yaz's peak WARs were slightly better than Koufax's is that Yaz played every day while Koufax played once every four days. If you look at WAR by all players, annual top ten on Baseball Reference, you will see that in post-1920 baseball comparatively few pitchers are among the top ten in most years- in 1967, for instance, only two of the top ten were pitchers. During the nineteenth century, when pitchers worked an incredible number of innings, they dominated this category. When Koufax did pitch- or Marichal, Gibson, Seaver, or Bunning etc.- they were vastly more valuable than Yaz (or any other non-pitcher).
7:14 PM Oct 20th
 
Steven Goldleaf
I remember that popup to Nettles vividly. Yaz batted .407 against Lyle. Unfortunately for him that was his OPS in 35 PA.
6:26 PM Oct 20th
 
FrankD
Sparky Lyle in the "Bronx Zoo" commenting on that he should pitch as closer in '78 NYY/Bost playoff for last out with Yaz batting: "I always could get Yaz out" .........
5:37 PM Oct 20th
 
grising
Re: Yaz. He and other hitters of his era were certainly hurt by the low-BA environment of the time.

Here are Yaz's BA stats, both raw and adjusted to a environment neutralized to the median of the 1901-2015 period in the AL:

Year Raw Adjusted
1961 0.266 0.274
1962 0.296 0.305
1963 0.321 0.341
1964 0.289 0.308
1965 0.312 0.339
1966 0.278 0.304
1967 0.326 0.364
1968 0.301 0.343
1969 0.255 0.273
1970 0.329 0.346
1971 0.254 0.270
1972 0.264 0.290
1973 0.296 0.300
1974 0.301 0.306
1975 0.269 0.274
1976 0.267 0.275
1977 0.296 0.292
1978 0.277 0.279
1979 0.270 0.263
1980 0.275 0.268
1981 0.246 0.252
1982 0.275 0.273
1983 0.266 0.263
0.285 0.297

You can see what a good hitter he was, BA-wise, through 1974. (Of course, playing in Fenway inflated his BA, and park factors are not taken into effect here.) 1967 and 1968 now look especially good.
12:22 PM Oct 20th
 
grising
Re: Koufax. Here are his home stats:

Year W L ERA
1955 2 0 2.25
1956 0 2 7.50
1957 3 1 3.70
1958 2 6 5.60
1959 5 2 2.71
1960 1 7 5.27
1961 9 8 4.22
1962 7 4 1.75
1963 11 1 1.38
1964 12 2 0.85
1965 14 3 1.38
1966 13 5 1.52
Career Total 79 41 2.48

Look at his ERA and guess which year the Dodgers moved into Chavez Ravine! This is a good example why I think we need to focus more on park effects than we currently do.
12:14 PM Oct 20th
 
shinsplint
marc, I hear you about Yaz. And don't get me started on Stan Musial. That shmuck played for 22 years and was still 25 homers short of 500. :-)

gmouser, good point about Koufax' park effects. I was aware of that, but just forgot that the proportion of innings pre-Dodger Stadium was fairly high.

Another thing I've heard about Koufax is that he had such a great winning percentage with an anemic offense, but I believe the runs scored for his team were at least slightly above average considering, once again, the composite of the different parks he played in.
8:25 AM Oct 20th
 
Steven Goldleaf
Koufax's 1961 also split hard this way: over the first 77 games, he went 11-4 with a 3.04 ERA, over the second 77 games (they only played 154 then) he went 7-9 with a 4,00 ERA. No idea what that was about, but I thought that was interesting.
10:10 PM Oct 19th
 
gmouser
shinsplint -

Be very careful when stating that Koufax pitched in a pitcher-friendly environment. 204 of his inning came in Brooklyn (102 ERA+), 742 innings when the Dodgers played in the Coliseum with a ludicrously short left-field line (106 ERA+), and the last 1377 innings, the ones people remember, came when they played in Dodger Stadium (167 ERA+).

Bill dug into this effect in one of his books, pointing out that Koufax's ascendancy appeared to have already happened, and everyone realized it when he got to pitch in a great pitcher's park.

His '61 home/road numbers were .105 higher at home (almost all SLG). In '62 they were .097 lower at home. The split at home improved up until his last year, '66. Basically by '61 he'd honed his craft and become Koufax (on the road). It took moving out the Coliseum for people to realize it.

Incidentally, I was unaware of any of this, even as a Dodger fan, until Bill wrote about it.
6:55 PM Oct 19th
 
steve161
Excellent article, Steven. It got me thinking about a current player who will remain active well beyond his sell-by date, but will enter the Hall--and rightly so--on the strength of his peak years: Albert Pujols. If he plays through his current contract, he will have been an Angel almost as long as he was a Cardinal, but while his St Louis OPS is easily over a thousand, it'll wind up somewhere in the mid-.700s during the Anaheim years. People with short memories will have only his counting stats (near 700 HR, 2400 RBI, 3300 hits) to remind them of the player he was.
6:50 PM Oct 19th
 
shthar
If you played Strat-O-Matic, you'd have been platooning Yaz almost his whole career.
3:07 PM Oct 19th
 
Marc Schneider
Grising,

I don't disagree with you about proficiency (or rate) stats vs. counting stats. The problem with counting stats, obviously, is that you can reach certain milestones just by playing a long time. My point about Yaz was that, even playing as long as he did, he didn't come close to 500 home runs. I realize Fenway Park isn't really a great home run park for lefty hitters unless you pull it directly down the line and a significant portion of his career was in a lower offensive period, but it's still surprising to me that he missed by so much. At his best, Yaz was a fabulous player and I have no real gripe with him being in the HOF, but I like to think of great players being great over a long period of time. (I consider Koufax to be in a somewhat different category.) Admittedly, as a Braves fan, I'm unfairly comparing him to Hank Aaron, who was great into his late 30s at least. But I feel the same way about Dale Murphy; at his peak, he was a terrific player but he only had a few great years and that's not enough.
11:56 AM Oct 19th
 
shinsplint
I found it surprising, to the extent I believe WAR is factoring in everything that it should. Both played in parks that benefitted their hitting (Yaz) and pitching (Koufax). But the low hitting of the 60s made Yaz look worse and Koufax better than they are during that time. In fact Roy Oswalt had only marginally lower career IP and ERA+ than Koufax, although I can't wrap my head around the idea that Oswalt was in the same realm.
11:50 AM Oct 19th
 
Steven Goldleaf
I'm curious if anyone else found it as surprising as I did that Koufax's five best seasons in no way beat Yaz's five best.
11:26 AM Oct 19th
 
Steven Goldleaf
When it appears in my never-to-be-forthcoming collection of baseball writings, SteveN, I'll be sure to use your title.

Also to excise at least one of the "recently"s in the first sentence. And to stick the word "out" into "Yaz was elected to the Hall of Fame his first shot of the box" someplace.​
11:22 AM Oct 19th
 
SteveN
It occurs to me that this article should have been entitled"

"All that Yaz".
10:20 AM Oct 19th
 
3for3
How much would the modern LOOGY have hurt Yaz's career?
9:54 AM Oct 19th
 
Steven Goldleaf
That's a good point, and I endorse wholeheartedly at least regarding players I've grown fond of. My larger question is whether it's actually good for the team to behave this sentimentally, especially teams in contention for a pennant. A big reason they do it is that it feels cruel NOT to play these players, but what is the price? There are fans of even these teams, as I mentioned, clamoring, "Wouldya BENCH the incompetent elderly dude who can hardly remember what a bat is for, already? Or at least rest him a little bit now and then? Jeez-o-man!"
8:55 AM Oct 19th
 
rtallia
Steven--You asked "what took them so long? [to platoon Yaz]" but I think you have to remember that TO THIS DAY, and certainly in the 1970s/80s/90s, any kind of superstar franchise player that's been with one team his whole career (Yaz, Jeter, Gwynn, Ripken, etc.) has value to the team BEYOND the stats in the field. People take their kids to the ballpark to see their favorite players PLAY--if they're on the bench because of a platoon advantage, it's not very exciting. And most people (even to this day) would rather see their hero of 12 years ago, versus a rookie they don't know, even with a +.150 platoon split. The question is: how much do you value this "intangible" worth, versus actual at-bats? I think with guaranteed HOF'ers, the teams have chosen in many instances to let them play, as long as they are at least hovering around replacement level, as all these guys did for the last few years. And, frankly, I agree. I want to see those guys too, for as long as they're not actually embarrassing themselves on the field. And I think teams recognize that, generally.
8:35 AM Oct 19th
 
mathias2
Teams were reluctant to start left-handed pitchers in Fenway Park, so I would guess that the lefties that did get to pitch there were above average and the righties, subsequently, of lower average quality. I wonder how much that selection bias exaggerates Yastrzemski's platoon split.
Was it larger at home?
6:38 AM Oct 19th
 
Steven Goldleaf
A way to summarize this long and rambling piece in under 40 words:

“HoFer Yaz had a road OPS of .779. If his platoon difference of .199 applies to road and home equally, that gives him a road OPS vs. lefties of only about .580. Until age 40, Yaz played every day.”

Is my assumption that Yaz OPSed .580 vs. lefties on the road even approximately correct? Seems low, even as speculation, to me. Rey Ordonez, the weakest everyday bat I ever saw, had a lifetime OPS of .600.

5:56 AM Oct 19th
 
Steven Goldleaf
The whole question of HoFers (by whom I mean, really, people who have been touted for the HoF--really don't want to act as a Hall monitor here) with only a few stellar seasons is fairly interesting. I wrote above about Yaz and K having that reputation on the basis of only 5 seasons above normal "regular player" status (5.0 WAR or better). But I looked at Roy Campanella this morning to see if had any besides his three MVP years, and no. He compiled only 15.3 WAR in his 7 other MLB seasons combined--or 3 WAR above what Yaz did in 1967 alone. Even his three MVP seasons peaked out at 6.6 WAR, meaning that Campy never rose to the level of what I call a strong All-Star year, much less a weak MVP type season, yet on the strength of those 3 seasons, and those alone, he waltzed into the Hall. Of course, there was much else going on with Campy besides his three best years (Negro Leagues, his role in integrating MLB, etc.) --don't mean to besmirch any honor done to Roy Campanella here, but the standard of outstanding play is even lower than I'd thought. On that basis, I'm willing to give Roger Maris another look-over. Maybe Mark Fidrych as well.
4:12 AM Oct 19th
 
flyingfish
You know, thinking of old players who should have retired sooner, I can't help thinking of David Ortiz. Fortunately, he played only about two weeks past his sell-by date. Of course, so did quite a few younger members of the team.....
8:56 PM Oct 18th
 
Fireball Wenz
Having watched Yaz's 1967 season, I have no problem saying it was one of the greatest seasons in baseball history. In one of the greatest pennant races of all time, Yaz was doing something EVERY DAY to win games down the stretch - driving in the winning run, making a diving catch, throwing out runners.

The usually awful site bleacher report actually has a decent summary of how Yaz pushed the Red Sox over the top:

bleacherreport.com/articles/73398-the-great-forgotten-season-carl-yastrzemski-1967

Maybe I should put together a game-by-game recap of what Yaz did down the stretch in 1967.
8:48 PM Oct 18th
 
izzy24
It was Michael to Tom in Godfather 1. Shortly followed by Vito telling Tom he never thought he was a bad consigliere so much as Sonny was a bad Don.
8:45 PM Oct 18th
 
Mark1951
Your mention of 1979 as a turning point, caused me to check Baseball Reference about a game that has always remained fresh in my mind. On May 20, 1979 lefthander Tommy John pitched a two hit shutout in Fenway Park (I watched it the entire game on TV in my apartment in Newton). It was a masterful performance.

Tommy struck out 5 Sox that day, including Yaz in all three of his plate appearances. He struck him out the first time on a low, outside pitch just off the plate. The second time it was low and outside, just a bit further off the plate and the final time it was low, outside and way off the plate.

I think every pitch Tommy threw was low and outside and the Sox kept trying to pull him all day.
7:40 PM Oct 18th
 
Steven Goldleaf
A righthanded batter who has serious platoon problems is not going to be able to hold a full-time job (unless he's starting from a very very strong OPS, like Aaron did.) There is always going to be a left-hander who will take your job away if you need help in 3/4ths of your ABs. A lefty, whose weakness shows up in 1/4 of his potential ABs, is going to be able to start 120 games a year, plus some more when his lefty counterpart is injured, which is very close to playing full time. Yaz was just extreme in that he played all the time against righties and almost all the time against lefties, despite the .199 OPS drop.
7:13 PM Oct 18th
 
flyingfish
Thanks, Steven; Yaz was one of my favorites, too. I loved his batting stance; bat straight up over his head, with no movement; you always felt, watching him, that he was about to hit a line-drive HR around the Pesky Pole. Sometimes he did. But remember that analytical thinking barely existed in baseball in the 1970s, at least among field managers and I suspect (Red Sox owner) Tom Yawkey. I think grising's point is a good one as well. If you're bad against a few (LH) pitchers, that's better than being bad against most (RH) pitchers. I also wonder if there aren't proportionally more LH pitchers today than 45 years ago; that should be easy enough to find out.

Yaz is absolutely a Hall-of Famer for me.
6:56 PM Oct 18th
 
wdr1946
I wonder how many readers are aware that (according to Baseball Reference) the ten best WARs in baseball history by non-pitchers are as follows: 1. Ruth (1923) 14.1; 2. Ruth (1921) 12.9; 3. Ruth (1927) 12.4, Yaz (1967) 12.4; 5. Hornsby (1924) 12.1; 6. Ruth (1920) 11.9; 7. Bonds (2001) 11.8, Bonds (2002) 11.8; 9. Gehrig (1927) 11.8; 10. Ruth (1924) 11.7. Yaz's 1967 season was better than any season by Cobb, Wagner, Teddy, Mantle, Mays, or anyone else in the whole history of baseball. His 1968 WAR (10.5) is tied for 31st-37th place all-time, and his 1970 WAR (9.5) is tied for 84th- 88th place all-time- that is, by any non-pitcher from 1871 through 2016. Yaz tends to be underrated because, as you point out, the rest of his career was only good- also he replaced someone whose statistics, at face value, make him look mediocre- and also he was at his peak in the AL of the 1960s, when everybody's hitting statistics looked anemic. But don't be fooled!
6:40 PM Oct 18th
 
Steven Goldleaf
The connection (possibly alphabetical?) between Yaz and Yawkey was a close one. Do you know if being a premier member of BBREF (or whatever they call it) gets you much better pitcher/batter matchup stats? I'm a little frustrated by seeing, very briefly, a more detailed matchup page, which disappears almost immediately. I'd love to see everyone broken down by all lefties or all righties, but I can't figure out how to do that, other than possibly paying BBREF a fee. Yaz certainly had a lot of ABs vs. any pitchers who played in the AL during his career, enough to start to make meaningful general statements.
5:56 PM Oct 18th
 
Fireball Wenz
Thanks for the mention! A couple significant things about Yaz - more than any player of his era, he had a very close relationship to the club owner, and he was reportedly influential in getting teammates traded and managers removed. He also hated to sit, and a lot of his off years were a result of him playing when he was injured for much of the season. I don't think it would have been possible to platoon or sit Yaz much for a manager hoping to hold onto his job. Most probably made the calculation that watching Cuellar or Lolich shut him down was worth not ticking him off.

Well, based on my memory that he struggled badly against those two pitchers, I have to say I went 1 for 2 after checking bbref. But the guy he really couldn't tocuh was righty Gaylord Perry. And the Yankees probably should have looked into getting Darold Knowles for their bullpen at some point for Yaz-specific reasons.

www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?year=0&n1=yastrca01&id=yastrca01&batter=yastrca01
3:50 PM Oct 18th
 
Steven Goldleaf
Marc, I mostly didn't want to have an argument here about Yaz's qualifications for the HoF, and turn this into a tedious discussion about the HoF. As I did note, his first decade, through 1970, is probably sufficient for his election (eventually if not immediately upon his first eligibility) and his last 13 years allowed him to accrue a lot of counting stats that impress those impressed by counting stats. So I concede the argument in lieu of having it--his HoF credentials are beside my point in analyzing his career. Besides, I have a sentimental bias in Yaz's favor, which I don't care to defend but which I'm unwilling to give up on either.
3:50 PM Oct 18th
 
grising
Marc Schneider, I'm 98% sure that I agree with your comments and reasons about Yaz being overrated and why he's overrated.

But it does bring up the question of how we weight proficiency stats (BA, OPS, ERA) versus counting stats (career hits, HRs, W, L) when we evaluate a career. I lean toward proficiency stats. But I have to admit that counting stats are important , too. For example, Hank Aaron and Dick Allen are pretty close on proficiency stats (especially when controlled for the eras they played in), but has twice as many (or more) counting stats.

So you could argue that Aaron and Allen (or Yaz and Koufax) were very similar. Or you could argue that Aaron was "twice" as effective as Allen and that Yaz was quite a bit more effective than Koufax. It's hard to say.​
1:20 PM Oct 18th
 
grising
Great article, Steven! I love examining the splits, so this article was terrific.

Here's a few comments:

In Yaz's defense, his lower OPS split was against lefthand pitchers whereas Hank Aaron's lower OPS split was against righthanders. Since there are fewer lefthanders, Yaz's poor split was less harmful compared to what it would have been against righthanders. Does that make sense?

Your point about Yaz having good years plus mediocre years is very true. I did an analysis of Yaz's stats that controlled for park and era. Based on those results, his last good year as a hitter was 1974, which means his last NINE seasons were mediocre--1980, which was injury-shortened, was okay. (1977 looks good for raw numbers, but that was a hitter's year and Yaz hit poorly on the road that year.

In other words, I agree that Yaz's career would look better if he had quit several years earlier. Eddie Murray is like that, too, as is Steve Carlton. Ernie Banks also is in that category, although I believe that he's overrated regardless.

Anyway, thanks for another great article!
1:10 PM Oct 18th
 
Marc Schneider
Interesting article and it sort of confirms my belief that Yaz was greatly overrated. You keep saying that you think Yaz deserved to be a first-ballot HOFer, but your argument seems to contradict that. He had a few great years, a bunch of pretty good years and some pretty average years. I don't see how that computes to a HOFer at all, much less to a first ballot. IMO, he got in largely because of 1967; the aura of that year carried him through a bunch of less-than-spectacular seasons, and he overall stats look good only because he hung around so long. Even then, he didn't come close to 500 home runs. Yaz was a good player, at times a great player, but certainly not an all-time great.
1:09 PM Oct 18th
 
MattD1
Excellent article, really enjoyed it. I guess it's always awkward in that situation. I guess my take is were any of his managers in a position to upset Yaz? Especially earlier in the decade when he wasn't *that* old. You're certainly right, that he should have been platooned way more than he was, but I can understand why he wasn't until he was 40 or whatever.
12:44 PM Oct 18th
 
 
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