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September 23, 2010

Rolen Ousts Boyer as Second Round Begins

 

September 23, 2010

 

            OK, let’s start the second round by re-setting the brackets as well as we can with our limited graphics.   There are now 32 players left in the tournament, which means 16 second-round games.   There are four divisions, four games in each division or region, which are as follows:

 

 

Baltimore

Brooks Robinson (1) against

Doug DeCinces (8)

26-Sep

Jimmy Dykes (2) against

Billy Nash (7)

25-Sep

Toby Harrah (3) against

Harlond Clift (6)

24-Sep

Matt Williams (4) against

Jimmy Collins (5)

Today

 

 

Cleveland

Graig Nettles (1) against

Ken Keltner (9)

26-Sep

Ron Santo (2) against

Willie Jones (7)

25-Sep

Sal Bando (3) against

Travis Fryman (6)

24-Sep

Bob Elliott (4) against

Heinie Zimmerman (12)

Today

 

St. Louis

Gary Gaetti (1) against

Edgardo Alfonzo (9)

25-Sep

Chipper Jones (2) against

Harry Steinfeldt (7)

26-Sep

Todd Zeile (3) against

Don Money (6)

24-Sep

Ken Boyer (4) against

Scott Rolen (5)

Today

 

 

Los Angeles

Buddy Bell (1) against

Mike Lowell (9)

24-Sep

Tim Wallach (2) against

Adrian Beltre (7)

25-Sep

Ron Cey (3) against

Willie Kamm (6)

26-Sep

Carney Lansford (4) against

Ken McMullen (12)

Today

 

 

            So it will take us four days to go through these second-round games, which will leave us with a sixteen-man tournament.  I probably should have done a summary like the one above every day. . ..I will from now on.   In the Final Four, the winner of the Baltimore Region will face the winner of the Cleveland region (the East), and the winner of the St. Louis region will meet the winner of the Los Angeles region (the West).

 

 

Lansford Still Standing

 

            Carney Lansford is a player that sabermetricians may have had their issues with over the years, but nonetheless he has advanced into the third round of the Brooks Robinson invitational tournament, defeating Ken McMullen 89-68.

 

 

Lansford

McMullen

Power

9

16

Speed

7

3

Hitting For Average

24

2

Plate Discipline

8

12

Career Length

15

6

Defense

4

21

Awards

15

5

Team Success

7

3

Total

89

68

 

            I would ordinarily mention here that Lansford in the next round will face the winner of tomorrow’s matchup between Buddy Bell and Mike Lowell, but. . .you can see that above.  McMullen was a far better defensive third baseman than Lansford, took more walks and had more power.   Lansford, however, won the American League batting title in 1981 at .336, and just missed another title when he hit .336 again in 1989 (Kirby Puckett hit .339).    This gives Lansford a 24-2 edge in Hitting for Average.  Lanford’s career was longer, he was faster, and. . .it was enough.

            Ken McMullen came out of the Dodger system at the time when I was just becoming a baseball fan, when I studied every box score, read everything I could find about the game, and spent an immense amount of time with a few hundred baseball cards.   The Dodger system was a machine in those days, producing talent like a fire producing smoke.   McMullen in 1961 was a member of one of the most impressive low-level minor league teams of all time, the Reno Silver Sox of the California League.  The catcher, Hector Valle, 20 years old, hit .325 with 7 homers, 71 RBI.   First baseman Dick Nen is famous for three things:

            1)  He is on the palindromic All Stars, with Toby Harrah and Eddie Kazak,

            2)  He was the father of Robb Nen, and

            3)  He got the biggest hit of the 1963 season, a 9th-inning pinch hit home run that crushed the Cardinals and effectively ended the pennant race.

            With Reno, Nen hit .351 with 32 homers and 144 RBI.   Second baseman Lou Ertle hit 34 doubles, 13 triples and 18 homers, scoring 119 runs.    Shortstop Don Williams won the batting title at .363, had 18 homers, 13 steals, and scored 132 runs.   He was 23 years old, a little bit old for the level, a little behind schedule; he became a good triple-A player but never made The Show.   Third baseman McMullen—arguably the weakest link in the infield—hit just .288 that year with 21 homers, but led the league in walks, with 107.

            An 18-year-old pitcher with that team, Joe Moeller, was 11-3 with a 1.82 ERA; he would continue to dominate at higher levels in the minors, and would be in the Dodgers’ rotation the next season, at the age of 19.    Less fortunate was Bruce Gardner, a left-handed pitcher who was 20-4 for Reno.   Gardner, a star at USC, later carried a pistol to the USC mound in the middle of the night, and committed suicide.   Gardner had wanted to enter pro baseball out of high school, but his father had forbidden it, and insisted that he go to college.  Gardner was a huge star at USC, but he left his best stuff in college; in the pros he could dominate the lower levels, but didn’t progress much.   He apparently ended his life on the USC mound as a way of saying “This is where my life ended.”

            Anyway, Reno finished 97-43, and, to get back to my point, the Dodger system at that time seemed to produce talent effortlessly.   The Dodger farms, built by Branch Rickey in the 1940s and nurtured after Rickey left by Walter O’Malley, had developed the team to the level where they were pushing the Yankees for the distinction of being the dominant franchise in the game.   The Dodgers tried to keep the best products from that farm system, and package the rest in trades.   Everybody does that; what made the Dodgers different was that they were fantastically good, for a period of about five years, at creating the impression that everybody who came out of their system was two steps away from Cooperstown.   They’d come up with guys like Pete Richert and Nate Oliver and Johnny Werhas and Nick Willhite, and they’d have half of baseball convinced that these guys were All Stars, just waiting for a chance to play.   They got to be too good at it; they started fooling themselves.    They should have kept McMullen and made him their third baseman, but instead, they packaged McMullen with four other guys in a trade for Claude Osteen, and, a couple of years later, traded Maury Wills to Pittsburgh for Bob Bailey.   That was a disaster.

            McMullen had some good years with Washington in the American League, but it was a pitcher’s park in the middle of a pitcher’s era, and the numbers don’t look great.   He was a regular until 1972.  On the Won and Lost chart below there is a number that doesn’t look right.   McMullen in 1972 hit .269 with 9 homers, 34 RBI—but is credited with a won-lost contribution of 18-8.   34 RBI and 18 Win Shares is not a normal combination.   I believe it is accurate to say that those who were on the scene at the time—the Angels—did NOT believe that McMullen had had a very good year, at all.   They thought he was finished, and they traded him away to be a backup player.

            True, but look again at the 1972 Angels.   They scored 454 runs—less than three runs a game—and finished almost .500 (75-80).   That team scored fewer runs than any other American League team between the beginning of the Lively Ball era (1920) and the 1981 strike.   They scored fewer than any other major league team in that era, save one (the 1942 Phillies).  Obviously, the ratio of runs to wins there is extremely unusual, and this is reflected in McMullen’s won-lost numbers.  The Angels traded him away, true, but the Angels in that era didn’t really know what they were doing, either.   Despite the immense good fortune that they had in trading Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan before that season, they still finished under .500 in 1972, ’73, ’74, ’75, ’76, and ’77.   They were worse in ’73, ’74 and ’75 than they had been in ’72, when they had McMullen in the lineup.   I am not insisting that our evaluation of McMullen in that season is right, but it is not apparent to me that it is wrong.

            In 1973 McMullen was with the Dodgers, backing up Ron Cey, when his wife Bobbi was diagnosed with cancer.   She died on April 6, 1974, and was buried on April 8, which was the day that Henry Aaron broke Babe Ruth’s career home run record with a home run against the Dodgers, against Al Downing.   The Dodgers played that historic game with a black arm band, in

memory of Bobbi McMullen.   McMullen took a couple of weeks off, returned to the game, and played as a backup until 1977.

 

Ken McMullen—Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1962

LA

20

0

0

.273

.273

.273

.545

0

0

0

0

0

0

.258

0

1963

LA

21

5

28

.236

.339

.297

.636

4

7

2

2

6

8

.418

5

1964

LA

22

1

2

.209

.254

.243

.497

0

3

0

1

0

4

.115

-1

1965

Was

23

18

54

.263

.414

.323

.737

13

11

4

3

17

14

.553

19

1966

Was

24

13

54

.233

.359

.289

.648

9

14

3

4

13

18

.411

10

1967

Was

25

16

67

.245

.377

.301

.677

11

14

5

3

16

17

.491

16

1968

Was

26

20

62

.248

.382

.326

.708

16

8

3

5

19

13

.605

22

1969

Was

27

19

87

.272

.425

.349

.775

16

8

5

2

21

10

.673

27

1970

Was

28

0

3

.203

.237

.266

.503

0

2

1

0

1

3

.273

0

1970

Cal

28

14

61

.232

.367

.329

.696

10

9

4

2

13

11

.548

15

1971

Cal

29

21

68

.250

.395

.312

.707

13

13

5

4

17

16

.514

18

1972

Cal

30

9

34

.269

.369

.335

.704

15

6

4

3

18

8

.688

23

1973

LA

31

5

18

.247

.482

.297

.779

2

1

1

0

3

1

.710

4

1974

LA

32

3

12

.250

.417

.274

.691

1

1

1

0

2

1

.570

2

1975

LA

33

2

14

.239

.435

.340

.774

1

1

0

0

2

1

.654

2

1976

Oak

34

5

23

.220

.355

.305

.660

4

5

1

1

5

6

.451

4

1977

Mil

35

5

19

.228

.404

.305

.709

3

3

0

1

3

4

.393

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

156

606

.248

.383

.316

.699

118

106

39

29

157

136

.536

167

 

 

 

Say It Ain’t So

 

            Triggering a near-riot in St. Louis, St. Louis baseball icon Ken Boyer has been eliminated from the Brooks Robinson Invitational Tournament by current Cincinnati Reds third baseman Scott Rolen.   Although the two players were evenly matched in almost every area, Rolen was given credit for small advantages in terms of power, defense and plate discipline, and staggered out of the contest with a 59-55 victory.

 

 

Rolen

Boyer

Power

10

8

Speed

4

4

Hitting For Average

9

10

Plate Discipline

9

5

Career Length

7

8

Defense

10

8

Awards

7

8

Team Success

3

4

Total

59

55

 

            Look, guys, no one is more surprised than I am that Rolen comes out ahead of Boyer.   As a kid who grew up listening to Harry Carey and the Cardinals whenever the A’s weren’t on or were hopelessly behind, Ken Boyer was a giant of my childhood (a), and (b) I had no idea in the world that Scott Rolen had reached that level.   But. . .facts are facts, and this is where we are.  I’ll write more about Rolen when the time comes to write about Rolen, which will be when he is eliminated from the tournament.

            Boyer was one of 14 children, and had five brothers who also played professional baseball, two of whom played in the majors.   This fact created an identity for him—it was something that everybody knew in that generation--and this helped to make him a star.  He was the unofficial captain of the Cardinals as Stan Musial aged and receded into the background, and he won the MVP Award in 1964, the year after Musial retired—as Brooks Robinson did in the American League that same year.

            To be honest, I have avoided figuring Win Shares and Loss Shares for Boyer, up to now, because I was afraid that he would come out ahead of Ron Santo.   I’ve always been a Ron Santo fan, and I am on record lobbying for Santo to be in the Hall of Fame.   If Boyer had come out ahead of Santo, this would complicate the debate.

            Boyer doesn’t come out ahead of Santo, but he does come in above the minimal standard of a Hall of Famer; more on that later.   When I was thinking about who should be in this tournament and who should not, Boyer had two problems:  He was too fast, and his batting averages were too high.   Aurelio Rodriguez. ..no, doesn’t hit enough. . .Bob Bailey is perfect as a hitter, but he’s not good enough in the field.   Boyer was over qualified for the tournament; the only problems with saying that he was a Brooks Robinson-type player was that he was much faster than Brooks and he hit .300 five times.   But Boyer is naturally matched against Robinson because they won MVP Awards the same year, and there aren’t 64 true Brooks Robinson-type players in baseball history, so. . .in he goes.  

            Boyer was really good.  There are a lot of guys in this tournament who have won-lost contributions like 20-11, 21-13, 22-10—for three or four years.   Boyer was at that level for eight years, above that level in some of those.  There are two kinds of Most Valuable Players:  those who have a big year, and those who are at that level every year, and eventually it is their turn.   Boyer was the latter .  He won the MVP Award in 1964 with a season that was, in reality, just his normal year.

            The standard that I use is that a Hall of Famer should have 300 Win Shares or should have 100 more Win Shares than Loss Shares.  If a player meets one of those standards, he can be in the Hall of Fame.   If he meets both of them, he should be.

I first proposed these standards about three years ago, in a tentative, let’s-just-try-this-and-see-how-it-plays way.   Three years later, I’m pretty much married to those standards.

            Here’s why those numbers work.    300 Win Shares is 100 team wins.    100 Team Wins is a pennant.

            +100 is 33 games over .500.    33 games over .500 is a pennant.  

            In saying 300 Win Shares or +100, then, what we are saying is this:  that this guy won his team a pennant.

            A baseball team is 25 players, but not all of them regulars.   Counting part-time players as half-time regulars, a team consists of about 16 to 19 “regulars”.

            And what does a career consist of?   16 to 19 years, right?   If you are a regular for 16 years, that is a full career.  Therefore, in the same way that a pint is a pound (the world around), a full career is also a team.   A “team” and a “career” are units of essentially the same size.   If, in your “team”, you win the pennant, that’s a rational standard for the Hall of Fame.

            300 Win Shares is like 300 Wins by a pitcher.  It is never going to be easy to get there.   A player can only meet that standard by many years of outstanding play—and this will always be true, no matter how batting numbers or pitching numbers may fluctuate.   Unless they start playing 200 games a season, nobody is going to get to 300 Win Shares without having a heck of a career.   Ever.

            It’s a rational standard, but does it work?

            I have never seen a case where it doesn’t, other than perhaps 19th century pitchers, maybe one or two others.  Maybe a reliever, maybe Campanella.   But if you take any player who clearly should be in the Hall of Fame—Schmidt, Brett, Seaver, Carew, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, whoever—he is going to clear those standards.

            If you take any player who is a marginal Hall of Famer, a guy who is right on the line and you can’t say easily whether he should be in or out—Andre Dawson, or Jim Rice, or Earl Averill, or Joe Torre, or Albert Belle, or Kirby Puckett or Steve Garvey—most of the time, those guys are right on the line.

            You take any of the old Hall of Fame mistakes, the guys that they put in the Hall of Fame before they realized you could actually do research.  ..Freddy Lindstrom, Chuck Klein, Chick Hafey, Jesse Haines, Rick Ferrell, any of those guys. . .when you figure the numbers, they always come up short of those standards.

            Of course there are always hard cases, players who have short careers and players who weren’t as good as everybody thought they were, etc.   But still, those standards always seem to work.   Sandy Koufax?   Well above the +100 standard.    Hank Greenberg?   Well above.

            In my view, who belongs in the Hall of Fame and who doesn’t is ultimately a judgment call, requiring more than simple calculation, and more than complex calculations.   The numbers are not ultimately going to tell us who should be in and who should be out.   We don’t work for the numbers; they work for us.

            But the numbers can play a valuable role, in telling us where players stand with regard to objective standards—tolerant standards, flexible standards, but reasonable standards.   “Flexible standards” doesn’t mean that Freddy Lindstrom gets in; Freddy Lindstrom gets in because people don’t use ANY standard.    Flexible standards just means that we can work with you in a hard case.   Flexible standards are logical guideposts, but they don’t kill you if you run into them.

            We take the player’s Won and Lost contributions, and we turn that into a “Wins above replacement” type of number (WSV, Win Shares Value) by the formula (3 W – L )/ 2, or, if you prefer, W + (W – L)/2.   For Boyer, that’s 255-155, which would be 305, although it actually works out to 304. 

            These are the standards that I believe in.

            Less than 250 WSV, a player has no business being in the Hall of Fame other than in some very exceptional case, where the arguments for him are compelling, such as Roy Campanella.   There are lots of guys who are in the Hall of Fame with totals under 250 (probably about 30 of them, maybe more), and generally speaking, I don’t believe that any of those guys should be in there. 

250 to 300, players generally should not be in the Hall of Fame, but there are many who are, and in some cases—like Koufax—they should be.   Dale Murphy is in this range, and so is Ellis Burks, and Earle Combs and Cecil Cooper.   Johnny Damon.     Roger Maris.  Joe Gordon.   Darryl Strawberry.  Ross Youngs.  Tony Oliva.    Gordon, Combs and Ross Youngs are in the Hall of Fame, and I kind of think it would be better if they weren’t, but they’re not Travis Jackson and Jim Bottomley, either.

300 to 350…then it’s a judgment call.   About half the guys in this range are in; about half are out.   There are many players in this range who I think should be in the Hall of Fame; there are some that I think probably should not.    A player can be in the range of 300 to 350 without meeting either of the standards that I prefer—300 Win Shares, or +100.    If you have a won-lost contribution of 280-210, in my view your career has fallen short of Hall of Fame standards, but your total is over 300, and there are a lot of guys in that range who are in the Hall of Fame, and I don’t really object to them being there.  In this range of value, the odds are swinging in your favor.

            350 to 400, there is a strong presumption that a player is a Hall of Famer.   The great majority of players in this range are in the Hall of Fame, I believe, and the exceptions are all players who, in my judgment, are above the line that has traditionally marked a Hall of Famer.  You can’t get to 350 without reaching either 300 Win Shares or +100; therefore, if you reach that level, you’re good to go by me, unless you’re not eligible.  Andre Dawson is in this range, and Larry Doby.  But there are still many players in history who are in this range, and who have not been selected, like Dwight Evans and several third basemen that we will meet later in this series.

            Above 400. . .it’s a no-brainer.   There are lots of guys way above 400—Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Frank Robinson, Speaker, Walter Johnson, Honus Wagner, Schmidt.   Richie Ashburn was over 400, and Duke Snider was.  I’ve never figured Mike Schmidt; I KNOW he’s over 400.  He’s probably over 500; he’s probably over 550.   All those kind of guys are over 400, and some of them are up around 600.    There are two players in this tournament who are over 400, and they will meet in the Championship Game.  There are a handful of players in history who are over 400 and who have been left out of the Hall of Fame.

            With a won-lost contribution of 255-155, Boyer is +100, meaning that he is at least minimally qualified for the Hall of Fame.    With a WSV of 304, he is in the area where it’s a judgment call.    If he went into the Hall of Fame, I would be pleased—but I’m not going to argue for him, because he is not the best qualified candidate who could be elected.   His won-lost contribution is very similar to Don Mattingly’s (243-127, 302).    If Mattingly was elected to the Hall of Fame I would be very pleased, because Mattingly is a good guy and he is a qualified Hall of Famer by the standard of who has been elected in the past.   Boyer is at the same level.

            Dave Parker is in this group (296-205, 342).   I wouldn’t vote for Dave Parker to go into the Hall of Fame, but if he was elected I wouldn’t say anything, because he’s better than a lot of the other guys who are in there.   Steve Garvey. . .Same thing.  Garvey’s at 291-199, a value of 337.   Tinker, Evers and Chance are all in the range of 300 to 350.

            In my opinion, a qualified Hall of Famer should have at least four high-impact seasons, defining a High Impact Season as a Win Share Value of 30 or higher.   Boyer had four such seasons.   He meets the standard; he doesn’t crush it.

            The thing is, third basemen have never done well in Hall of Fame voting.   I believe that I understand why this is true. . .reminding ourselves that all kinds of people believe they understand stuff that they don’t really understand at all.   But. ..my basic theory of the universe is that the external world is much more complicated than the human mind; therefore, people operate—and have to operate, by necessity—on theories about the external world which are much less complicated than the real thing.   At some point, your mind gives up and you retreat to the NAS.   Nearest Available Simplification. 

            I think that people use two standards to judge potential Hall of Famers:  one standard by which they judge outfielders and first basemen, and one standard by which they judge defensive players (catchers, second basemen, shortstops and exceptional defensive center fielders.)   If you’re a “slugger”, you get in if you’re above a certain level, the very bottom of which is Jim Rice and Orlando Cepeda.   If you’re a shortstop or a catcher, then it’s a different test; then it depends on contributions to pennant-winning teams and winning awards, that sort of thing.

            The problem with third basemen is that they are neither fish nor fowl, neither true sluggers nor true defenders.   Third basemen—and only third basemen—need to be judged by a half-and-half standard—but that’s just a little bit too complicated for the process.   That’s just over the “complexity line” where people’s patience runs out, and they retreat to the NAS.

            Because of that, third basemen have always done very poorly in the Hall of Fame battle.   There are several third basemen who, in my judgment, are above the Hall of Fame line, but who aren’t in.   I can’t argue for all of these players to go into the Hall of Fame.   I have to keep my powder dry.   Ken Boyer is over the line where there are a lot of Hall of Famers, but I can’t argue for him because there are other third basemen who should go in before he does. 

            So if Ken Boyer is a qualified Hall of Famer and Scott Rolen beats him, am I saying then that Scott Rolen is a qualified Hall of Famer?   Well, I’ll talk about Scott Rolen when it is time to talk about Scott Rolen, but. . .yes.   Scott Rolen’s career is better than I had any idea that it was until I sat down and did the research.   That’s why you do research.   Ken Boyer was a great player; Scott Rolen has been a little bit better.

 

Ken Boyer—Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1955

StL

24

18

62

.264

.425

.311

.735

10

13

4

3

13

16

.454

12

1956

StL

25

26

98

.306

.494

.347

.841

16

8

4

3

21

11

.654

26

1957

StL

26

19

62

.265

.414

.318

.732

11

12

4

3

15

15

.505

16

1958

StL

27

23

90

.307

.496

.360

.857

15

8

7

0

22

9

.715

28

1959

StL

28

28

94

.309

.508

.384

.892

18

5

5

2

23

7

.763

30

1960

StL

29

32

97

.304

.562

.370

.932

18

5

7

1

24

6

.806

34

1961

StL

30

24

95

.329

.533

.397

.930

17

6

7

0

25

6

.807

34

1962

StL

31

24

98

.291

.470

.369

.838

15

10

6

2

21

12

.633

26

1963

StL

32

24

111

.285

.454

.358

.812

17

8

5

4

22

12

.645

27

1964

StL

33

24

119

.295

.489

.365

.854

17

10

7

2

24

12

.673

30

1965

StL

34

13

75

.260

.374

.328

.702

10

14

4

3

14

17

.449

12

1966

NYM

35

14

61

.266

.415

.304

.719

10

11

3

4

13

15

.470

12

1967

NYM

36

3

13

.235

.355

.335

.690

4

4

1

1

5

5

.490

5

1967

CWS

36

4

21

.261

.367

.287

.654

4

4

1

1

5

5

.484

5

1968

CWS

37

0

0

.125

.125

.160

.285

0

2

0

0

0

2

.000

0

1968

LA

37

6

41

.271

.403

.317

.720

7

2

1

2

9

4

.672

11

1969

LA

38

0

4

.206

.265

.250

.515

0

1

0

0

0

2

.084

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

282

1141

.287

.467

.349

.810

189

124

66

31

255

155

.621

304

 

 

 

 

Bob Elliott 67, Heinie Zimmerman 52

           

            Bob Elliott, who was the Most Valuable Player in the National League in 1947, has defeated Heinie Zimmerman, who was denied the Most Valuable Player of the same league in 1912 despite very nearly winning the 1912 Triple Crown. 

 

 

Elliott

Zimmerman

Power

11

8

Speed

3

5

Hitting For Average

8

12

Plate Discipline

13

1

Career Length

10

5

Defense

8

12

Awards

11

4

Team Success

3

5

Total

67

52

 

            Zimmerman in 1912 hit .372 (leading the league by 14 points) with 14 homers (which led the league) but only 99 RBI.   The 99 RBI missed by 3 of leading the league.

            Of course, it wasn’t until years after that that the concept of a “Triple Crown” was invented, I think sometime in the 1940s.    Zimmerman was portrayed by journalists of his era as being a jovial but slightly addled egomaniac.    He was tight with baseball’s prince of thieves, Hal Chase, got involved in the fixing of games when that became fashionable, and was banned from baseball in 1920, although he may have left the game voluntarily before then. 

            As his career was short, his walks were very infrequent, and his intelligence and character were questionable, one can’t get too excited about him.    He was a very good player at his best. 

 

Heinie Zimmerman—Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1907

Cubs

20

0

1

.222

.333

.222

.556

0

0

0

0

0

1

.192

0

1908

Cubs

21

0

9

.292

.345

.298

.643

2

2

0

1

3

4

.443

3

1909

Cubs

22

0

21

.273

.344

.285

.629

4

4

2

1

6

5

.542

7

1910

Cubs

23

3

38

.284

.394

.326

.720

8

6

3

3

11

9

.545

12

1911

Cubs

24

9

85

.307

.462

.343

.805

15

8

4

5

19

13

.594

22

1912

Cubs

25

14

99

.372

.571

.418

.989

21

1

6

4

27

5

.856

38

1913

Cubs

26

9

95

.313

.490

.379

.868

16

3

4

4

20

7

.756

27

1914

Cubs

27

4

87

.296

.424

.326

.750

16

8

3

7

18

15

.550

20

1915

Cubs

28

3

62

.265

.379

.300

.679

11

12

4

6

15

17

.460

13

1916

Cubs

29

6

64

.291

.425

.324

.748

9

7

5

2

15

8

.639

18

1916

NYN

29

0

19

.272

.298

.304

.602

3

3

1

1

4

5

.498

4

1917

NYN

30

5

102

.297

.391

.317

.709

17

8

9

3

25

11

.704

33

1918

NYN

31

1

56

.272

.363

.294

.656

10

10

5

4

16

13

.541

17

1919

NYN

32

4

58

.255

.354

.296

.649

10

11

6

3

16

14

.523

16

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

57

941

.291

.391

.319

.710

143

83

54

44

196

127

.608

231

 

 

Jimmy Collins 70, Matt Williams 65

 

            Jimmy Collins, elected to the Hall of Fame in 1945, has defended the honor of the institution with a narrow 70-65 victory over Matt Williams.

 

Collins

Williams

Power

3

18

Speed

7

2

Hitting For Average

15

7

Plate Discipline

9

9

Career Length

9

8

Defense

13

9

Awards

9

8

Team Success

5

4

Total

70

65

 

            Very often in these contests we have had a power player, like Williams, matched against a high-average player like Collins.   When that happens, the high-average player generally wins the “speed” category, those more or less offset, and then it becomes a matter of defense, plate discipline and career length.

            So it was here.  Williams led 27-25 after power, speed and defense, and the two were nearly even in four of the last five categories.    Collins won by four points in “defense”, and thus won the contest by five.

            Which brings up a question:   exactly how good was Jimmy Collins’ defense?    As you can see (below. .I’ll put it in gray) Matt Williams was a very good defensive third baseman—the fifth-best among the 38 players now eliminated from this tournament, behind Cirillo, David Bell and the Boyer brothers.   Matt Williams didn’t lose “Defense” because his defense was bad; Matt Williams lost “Defense” because Jimmy Collins’ defense was great.

            Collins’ career high in walks was 41; Matt Williams’ was 43.    In some sense, that’s what sunk him—the opportunity cost.   Returning to the analogy of the basketball game, suppose that one team goes 3-for-17 shooting threes, and the other team goes 3-for-18.   You can’t say, at the end of the day, that you lost the game because you missed your threes, because, after all, the other guy missed his threes, too.

            But on some level it’s still true:   you throw up 18 threes and you don’t hit them, it’s going to kill you.   Williams was a very good player—38 homers, 110 RBI, .294 average in 1993 (22-9), 142 RBI in 1999 (21-11).   But that .317 career on base percentage.. . .that’ll kill ya.

 

Matt Williams—Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1987

SF

21

8

21

.188

.339

.240

.578

2

10

4

0

6

9

.387

4

1988

SF

22

8

19

.205

.410

.251

.662

2

5

2

1

4

6

.386

3

1989

SF

23

18

50

.202

.455

.242

.697

5

8

3

1

8

10

.453

7

1990

SF

24

33

122

.277

.488

.319

.807

15

11

5

3

20

14

.588

23

1991

SF

25

34

98

.268

.499

.310

.809

17

8

3

4

20

12

.626

24

1992

SF

26

20

66

.227

.384

.286

.670

9

15

4

3

13

18

.425

11

1993

SF

27

38

110

.294

.561

.325

.886

18

6

4

2

22

9

.725

29

1994

SF

28

43

96

.267

.607

.319

.926

13

6

4

1

17

7

.717

22

1995

SF

29

23

65

.336

.647

.399

1.046

12

-1

3

0

14

0

1.035

22

1996

SF

30

22

85

.302

.510

.367

.877

11

5

2

2

13

7

.650

17

1997

Cle

31

32

105

.263

.488

.307

.795

13

13

4

2

17

15

.543

19

1998

Ariz

32

20

71

.267

.439

.327

.766

10

12

4

2

14

13

.513

15

1999

Ariz

33

35

142

.303

.536

.344

.880

16

9

5

1

21

11

.658

26

2000

Ariz

34

12

47

.275

.431

.315

.746

6

10

2

1

9

11

.442

8

2001

Ariz

35

16

65

.275

.466

.314

.780

7

10

3

1

10

11

.475

10

2002

Ariz

36

12

40

.260

.479

.324

.803

5

5

2

1

6

6

.520

6

2003

Ariz

37

4

16

.246

.403

.327

.730

2

3

1

0

4

4

.499

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

378

1218

.268

.489

.317

.806

165

135

55

26

220

162

.576

249

 

 

 

            In the original Win Shares system, I divided each player’s Value in a “Hitting” percentage, a “Fielding” percentage, and a “Pitching” percentage.   This calculation can also be made with Win Shares and Loss Shares, by doing a “WSV” calculation of the Hitting won-lost record, the Fielding won-lost record, and the Overall won-lost record.    For example, Matt Williams has a “Hitting” won-lost record of 165-135, which is a WSV of 180:

 

            165 – 135 =   (495 – 135) / 2 =  180

 

            He has a “Fielding” WSV of 69.5:

 

            55 – 26 =  (165 – 26)/ 2 =  69.5

 

           

            That’s 72% hitting, 28% defense.  Ken Reitz, eliminated earlier, comes in by this method at 46% hitting, 54% fielding.    Dean Palmer comes in at 95% hitting, 5% fielding.    This chart summarizes all 66 players in the tournament, by the percentage of their value which is in their fielding.   As you can see, the four guys eliminated today all have about the same percentages:

 

 

First

Last

Batting %

Fielding %

Ken

Reitz

46%

54%

Clete

Boyer

46%

54%

 

 

 

 

Tom

Brookens

51%

49%

Jerry

Denny

54%

46%

Billy

Nash

54%

46%

Jimmy

Collins

56%

44%

Willie

Kamm

56%

44%

Harry

Steinfeldt

58%

42%

Gary

Gaetti

59%

41%

David

Bell

60%

40%

Frank

Malzone

60%

40%

 

 

 

 

Vinny

Castilla

61%

39%

Steve

Buechele

61%

39%

Bill

Bradley

62%

38%

Tim

Wallach

62%

38%

Brooks

Robinson

63%

37%

Don

Hoak

63%

37%

Jimmy

Dykes

64%

36%

Jim

Davenport

65%

35%

Pinky

Whitney

65%

35%

Bob

Aspromonte

65%

35%

Tony

Batista

66%

34%

Graig

Nettles

66%

34%

Charlie

Hayes

66%

34%

Buddy

Bell

67%

33%

Ken

Keltner

68%

32%

Luis

Salazar

68%

32%

Willie

Jones

69%

31%

Doug

Rader

70%

30%

 

 

 

 

Jeff

Cirillo

71%

29%

Doug

DeCinces

71%

29%

Matt

Williams

72%

28%

Ken

Boyer

73%

27%

Harlond

Clift

73%

27%

Ray

Knight

73%

27%

Ed

Sprague

74%

26%

Ken

McMullen

74%

26%

Joe

Randa

74%

26%

Mike

Lowell

74%

26%

Ron

Cey

74%

26%

Ron

Santo

75%

25%

Heinie

Zimmerman

75%

25%

Freddy

Lindstrom

75%

25%

Scott

Rolen

76%

24%

Don

Money

76%

24%

Brook

Jacoby

76%

24%

Hubie

Brooks

77%

23%

Travis

Fryman

77%

23%

Adrian

Beltre

77%

23%

Bob

Elliott

79%

21%

Todd

Zeile

80%

20%

Bill

Melton

80%

20%

Ray

Boone

80%

20%

 

 

 

 

Kevin

Seitzer

81%

19%

Melvin

Mora

81%

19%

Edgardo

Alfonzo

81%

19%

Sal

Bando

82%

18%

Troy

Glaus

83%

17%

Aramis

Ramirez

84%

16%

Toby

Harrah

84%

16%

Larry

Parrish

85%

15%

Carney

Lansford

85%

15%

Chipper

Jones

89%

11%

Howard

Johnson

89%

11%

 

 

 

 

Phil

Nevin

93%

7%

Dean

Palmer

95%

5%

 
 

COMMENTS (9 Comments, most recent shown first)

kcale
I understand Bill. I was just trying to make the point that where you set the bar puts Garvey in the gray area. The W-L system seems to work great... have been looking for flaws but haven't seen anything.
2:25 PM Sep 24th
 
MarisFan61
KC: I wondered too about your Garvey comment.

I'm guessing that it's just easier to miss stuff in online presentations than in print.
I count that as an argument for good ol' BOOKS. :-)

(Maybe keep those "Gold Mines" coming, Bill!)
3:38 AM Sep 24th
 
jdw
I thought Rolen would win and was a "sleeper" as a #5 seed, with this bracket always headed towards a Chipper-Rolen matchup in the Regional Final.

Perhaps we're so far removed from 2004 that we forget what an well rounded, strong 3B Rolen was from 1997-2004. Or perhaps he didn't live up to the "He'll Be Better Than Schmidt" hype that probably annoyed some of us. I seem to recall he did very well in DWS in the original WS calculations... either that or come comments in the past by you about what a quality defensive 3B he was. There didn't seem to be any obvious big edge for Boyer, with a number of small advantages for Rolen.

Boyer looks to have bad luck on the "draw". In the end he'll rate out ahead of the #1 and #3 seeds in the region, easily one of the 10 best in the entire tourney and proably closer to getting into the Top 5 than whoever is #11. It's a bit like Bando-Santo in the Sweet 16 in the other region: both are good enough to go to a Regional Final in another bracket, but one will get bounced earlier.
1:30 AM Sep 24th
 
bjames
But I clearly stated that, in my view, Garvey is NOT a Hall of Famer, and does not meet my standards. How did you get from that to "This would include Garvey?" It doesn't. . .although Garvey was, in fact, a better player than at least 40% of those who are now in there.
12:59 AM Sep 24th
 
MarisFan61
To Robinsong:
At the risk of having a 3rd post on the same article...... :ha:

Bill did include McMullen in the top 100 in that great book (at #72, right after Travis Fryman and ahead of Don Hoak).
I mentioned it in this comment on the article that covered his 'win' here:
"If you were around in the '60's and watched McMULLEN, you probably feel good about him winning this. He seemed to be especially hard-working, was considered 'underrated' by many, and went through some difficult poignant stuff during his career.
Bill has a nice little write-up of the latter in the New Historical Abstract (which has remained my most-read book ever since it came out)."
11:25 PM Sep 23rd
 
kcale
You're a very generous guy Bill. A 300 win value and 100 W-L seems like it will bring in a large # of players for the HOF because it will also bring in players like Garvey (92 W-L). I'd prefer higher standards... then make a player fight and claw their way up with other appropriate adjustments. This way a player like Jim Rice doesn't come close to making the cut. And Ken Boyer? I'm not biting.

10:37 PM Sep 23rd
 
Robinsong
Just wanted to state how much I have enjoyed the entire series. I grew up in Washington and McMullen was my second favorite player after Frank Howard; it was great to remember him and was stunned at how well he rated (I don't recall whether he even made the top 100 third basemen in NHA). Thanks for the quick sketches as well as all the analysis; I really like the slow unfolding of the story. My only reservation on the rankings has to do with the timeline; older players with higher Win-Lost ratings may be overrated. Looking at the last 32 though, 20 were active in the last 50 years, so that is not too big a problem. I look forward to more daily fixes!
5:23 PM Sep 23rd
 
MarisFan61
(sorry, typo -- near the end, it should be:
....a factor that makes us just 'NOT know'.....
10:38 AM Sep 23rd
 
MarisFan61
First of all let me echo what MARTIN said for the previous article: The info and musings about old-timers is one of the great joys here.

Which isn't intended to be a prelude to this next but maybe it'll look like it. :-)

I mentioned in a previous comment the possible role of PED's or suspected PED's in how we do a "tournament" like this. Of course it's tricky, if not dangerous, and it looks like Bill just 'isn't going there.'

In court, "innocent until proven guilty" applies. But when we judge players, including even for the Hall of Fame, it isn't a court of law. We're making our own assessments and best judgments, which is what we do thousands of times every day on big and little things about our own lives. We rarely have proof or even much indication, but we take everything available into account and do the best we can.

For example (not my main one, but just a lead-in), I don't see how one can do a comparison like this involving Matt Williams without some reference to this. In this case it doesn't matter because he "lost" anyway, but.....Bill has already indicated that there can be factors which make him look at a match differently than what the numbers say, and....... The PED issue puts a large "we don't know" over the recent era, and in my view puts a question mark on anyone's "outstandingness," some players perhaps more than others. Different ones among us may feel that certain types of players are more suspect than others -- which I know is unfair, but you know what they say about life. I can well understand that someone like Bill who has more responsibility than we do may especially not wish to 'go there.' But I would say if there's a factor that makes us just 'now know' in an important way, we need to *moderate* our assessment, at least for the time being.

I say this puts Ken Boyer over the top on the current comparison, at least for the moment.
10:35 AM Sep 23rd
 
 
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