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The Brooks Robinson Tournament--End of the Second Round

September 25, 2010

 

September 26, 2010

            Today’s games are the end of the second round of the tournament.   There are now 20 players left in the tournament; after today there will be 16.   These are the players remaining, and the schedule:

 

Baltimore Regional

Brooks Robinson (1) against

Doug DeCinces (8)

Today

Toby Harrah (3) against

Billy Nash (7)

Third Round

Jimmy Collins (5) has advanced

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Cleveland Regional

Graig Nettles (1) against

Ken Keltner (9)

Today

Ron Santo (2) against

Sal Bando (3)

Third Round

Bob Elliott (4) has advanced

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St. Louis Regional

Gary Gaetti (1) against

Scott Rolen (5)

Third Round

Chipper Jones (2) against

Harry Steinfeldt (7)

Today

Todd Zeile (3) has advanced

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Los Angeles Regional

Buddy Bell (1) against

Carney Lansford (4) 

Third Round

Ron Cey (3) against

Willie Kamm (6)

Today

Tim Wallach (2) has advanced

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Brooks Robinson 78, Doug DeCinces 68

 

            Trailing 45-39 at halftime, Brooks Robinson used his advantages in Career Length, Defense and Awards to survive a challenge from Doug DeCinces, and move into the third round of the tournament named in his honor.

 

Robinson

DeCinces

Power

8

18

Speed

7

4

Hitting For Average

16

10

Plate Discipline

8

13

Career Length

14

7

Defense

16

10

Awards

4

1

Team Success

5

5

Total

78

68

 

            Gene Mauch in 1982 said that Doug DeCinces this year “has been the best player I’ve ever seen.”

            There had been several young third basemen in Baltimore who had waited around a year or two for Brooks Robinson to grow old, but he wasn’t in any hurry to accommodate.   When Robinson finally was finished, it was Doug DeCinces who stepped into his position.   Players who replace a legend are notoriously prone to disappoint, but DeCinces was more or less up to the challenge.   A muscular athlete with broad shoulders and a narrow waist, DeCinces hit 37 doubles and 28 homers in 1978.   Those numbers were bigger then than they are now.  The Baltimore Orioles in their history up to 1978 had never had a player with as many as 37 doubles and as many as 28 homers—and the other parts of his game were good, as well.   He was a very good third baseman, not Brooks Robinson, but a good third baseman, would take a walk, and hit for a decent average.

            Baltimore couldn’t reach a long-term deal with him, traded him to the Angels, and he had the year that Mauch so much admired his first year in California.   Gene Mauch, whatever his faults, was not somebody who was going to blow sunshine up your skirt.   He was a straight shooter, to a fault, and he had been around major league baseball longer than anyone could remember, and when he said that DeCinces was the best player he’d ever seen, he said that because he meant it.   DeCinces had hit .304 that year with 42 doubles, 30 homers.   Until 2009 (Kendry Morales) DeCinces was the only Angels player with as many as 42 doubles and as many as 30 homers in a season.   As to his defense. . .if he had played a few more games he would have broken the record for assists for a third baseman.   He had 399 in 153 games; the record is 412.

            There was also a perception, at that time, that DeCinces had had a great year in the clutch.   The record does not easily reveal this to be true; his clutch numbers for the season are not only not good; they’re bad.   20 of his 32 homers were hit with the bases empty.  He hit .334 with the bases empty, .259 with men on base, and hit just .232 in the late innings of close games.   He was third in the MVP voting.

            Here’s a fun fact for you:  DeCinces in his career hit .464 with a slugging percentage over 1.000 against pitchers named “Moore”.   A pitcher named Tommy Moore, he faced only 5 times but had two walks and a triple, making an OPS of 1.600.   Against Mike Moore, he hit .452 (19 for 42) with 4 doubles and 6 home runs.    Against Balor Moore, he was 6-for-11 (.545) with two more homers.   That’s 26-for-56 with 5 doubles, a triple and 8 homers against pitchers named “Moore”.

            DeCinces had back trouble most of his career; you could see it, watching him play; he had a very stiff back, like Canseco or Albert Belle.   He drove in 96 for the Angels in 1986, re-signed with the Angels for ’87 but was released before the season was over.   He didn’t have enough good years to put him at the level of Brooks Robinson, but at his best he was a very comparable player. 

 

Doug DeCinces—Career Wins and Losses

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1973

Bal

22

0

3

.111

.111

.158

.269

0

1

0

0

0

1

.119

0

1974

Bal

23

0

0

.000

.000

.500

.500

0

0

0

0

0

0

1.055

0

1975

Bal

24

4

23

.251

.395

.306

.701

4

3

2

0

6

4

.621

7

1976

Bal

25

11

42

.234

.357

.284

.641

8

12

4

3

12

15

.441

10

1977

Bal

26

19

69

.259

.433

.339

.772

14

9

5

3

19

12

.601

22

1978

Bal

27

28

80

.286

.526

.346

.872

19

3

5

3

23

6

.791

32

1979

Bal

28

16

61

.230

.412

.318

.731

9

10

5

1

14

12

.540

15

1980

Bal

29

16

64

.249

.403

.319

.722

10

13

7

0

17

13

.570

19

1981

Bal

30

13

55

.263

.454

.341

.795

10

5

2

3

12

8

.595

14

1982

Cal

31

30

97

.301

.548

.369

.916

20

5

7

2

26

6

.803

36

1983

Cal

32

18

65

.281

.495

.332

.826

10

5

2

3

12

8

.591

14

1984

Cal

33

20

82

.269

.431

.327

.758

13

11

5

3

18

13

.569

20

1985

Cal

34

20

78

.244

.440

.317

.757

8

11

3

3

11

14

.448

10

1986

Cal

35

26

96

.256

.459

.325

.784

12

10

3

3

16

13

.537

17

1987

Cal

36

16

63

.234

.391

.337

.728

9

11

3

2

12

13

.465

11

1987

StL

36

0

1

.222

.444

.222

.667

0

0

0

0

0

0

.415

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

237

873

.259

.445

.329

.774

145

111

53

29

198

141

.584

226

 

 

 

 

Graig Nettles 92, Ken Keltner 88

 

            Graig Nettles used advantages in six areas to grind away at Ken Keltner’s 27-3 advantage in batting average, holding on for a four-point victory to advance into the third round.

 

 

Nettles

Keltner

Power

18

14

Speed

4

9

Hitting For Average

3

27

Plate Discipline

18

9

Career Length

18

8

Defense

19

13

Awards

4

3

Team Success

8

5

Total

92

88

 

            As most of you probably remember, Ken Keltner’s friends in Milwaukee about twenty years ago organized a PR campaign to promote Keltner as a Hall of Fame candidate.   His career in objective terms is a little short of Hall of Fame stature; he probably needed two more years of the quality of his big season in 1948 to bring him up to the level of, let’s say, Ken Boyer.

            This chart compares Ken Keltner’s Win Shares in the old system, published about ten years ago, to his Win Shares value in the new system:

 

1937

38

39

40

41

42

43

44

45

46

47

48

49

50

Total

0

18

26

16

23

20

15

22

 

9

17

25

7

1

199

0

17

29

18

26

20

16

27

 

10

19

36

9

0

227

 

            As you can see, the WSV runs about 5% higher than original Win Shares in a .500 season, and significantly higher in an outstanding season.   As 300 Win Shares would basically put you in the Hall of Fame in the old system, it requires a WSV of about 350 to accomplish the same.   Keltner—obviously a very good player—was a little less than two-thirds of the way there, and would have been about 70% of the way there if we gave him credit for the 1945 season that he missed due to the war effort.   But it speaks well of him that his friends would make the effort.

 

Ken Keltner—Career Wins and Losses

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1937

Cle

20

0

1

.000

.000

.000

.000

0

0

0

0

0

0

.062

0

1938

Cle

21

26

113

.276

.497

.319

.815

12

13

5

3

17

16

.515

17

1939

Cle

22

13

97

.325

.489

.379

.868

16

8

7

2

23

10

.685

29

1940

Cle

23

15

77

.254

.418

.322

.740

12

12

6

3

17

16

.528

18

1941

Cle

24

23

84

.269

.485

.330

.815

14

10

7

2

22

12

.644

26

1942

Cle

25

6

78

.287

.383

.312

.695

13

14

7

4

19

17

.526

20

1943

Cle

26

4

39

.260

.375

.317

.692

10

8

4

3

14

11

.563

16

1944

Cle

27

13

91

.295

.466

.355

.821

16

8

6

4

22

11

.657

27

1946

Cle

29

13

45

.241

.387

.294

.681

8

10

3

3

11

13

.468

10

1947

Cle

30

11

76

.257

.383

.331

.714

13

10

4

4

17

14

.547

19

1948

Cle

31

31

119

.297

.522

.395

.917

19

5

7

2

26

6

.803

36

1949

Cle

32

8

30

.232

.382

.335

.717

5

7

3

1

8

7

.529

9

1950

Bos

33

0

2

.321

.393

.387

.780

0

1

0

0

1

1

.344

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

163

852

.276

.441

.338

.778

138

105

59

30

197

135

.593

227

 

 

 

 

Chipper Jones 94, Harry Steinfeldt 71

 

            Chipper Jones used a 27-1 edge in power to leap off to a commanding lead, marching to an easy victory over the infield companion of Tinker, Evers and Chance.

 

 

Jones

Steinfeldt

Power

27

1

Speed

4

8

Hitting For Average

19

11

Plate Discipline

16

8

Career Length

13

10

Defense

5

26

Awards

4

1

Team Success

6

6

Total

94

71

 

            Steinfeldt in 1906 led the National League in hits (176) and tied for the league lead in RBI (83).   He was second in batting average (.327), and also he led the league in being hit with a pitch (14), which gives him a pretty good on base percentage.   I don’t doubt that he was a very good player that year; I do have some doubt that he deserves to be scored at 31-2, as he was.

            Wins and Losses can be projected from runs scored and runs allowed, as you all know, by the Pythagorean Method.   Suppose there is a league in which the runs scored and allowed average 800 per team:

 

950

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.648

Expected Winning Percentage

850

Runs Scored

650

Runs Allowed

.631

Expected Winning Percentage

800

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.566

Expected Winning Percentage

850

Runs Scored

750

Runs Allowed

.562

Expected Winning Percentage

900

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.559

Expected Winning Percentage

850

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.530

Expected Winning Percentage

750

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.468

Expected Winning Percentage

700

Runs Scored

750

Runs Allowed

.466

Expected Winning Percentage

800

Runs Scored

950

Runs Allowed

.415

Expected Winning Percentage

800

Runs Scored

1000

Runs Allowed

.390

Expected Winning Percentage

650

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.398

Expected Winning Percentage

700

Runs Scored

900

Runs Allowed

.377

Expected Winning Percentage

 

            But you can get essentially the same results by subtracting 400 from runs scored and runs allowed (if the league average is 800), and assuming that the ratio of the wins and losses will be the ratio of runs scored to runs allowed (over 400):

 

950

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.648

.647

850

Runs Scored

650

Runs Allowed

.631

.643

800

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.566

.571

850

Runs Scored

750

Runs Allowed

.562

.563

900

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.559

.556

850

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.530

.529

750

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.468

.467

700

Runs Scored

750

Runs Allowed

.466

.462

800

Runs Scored

950

Runs Allowed

.415

.421

800

Runs Scored

1000

Runs Allowed

.390

.400

650

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.398

.385

700

Runs Scored

900

Runs Allowed

.377

.375

 

            So long as the winning percentages are between .333 and .667, there is very little difference between the two methods.    But if the winning percentage goes over .667 or under .333, then we develop serious disparities between the two methods:

 

1050

Runs Scored

600

Runs Allowed

.754

.765

950

Runs Scored

550

Runs Allowed

.749

.786

900

Runs Scored

600

Runs Allowed

.692

.714

950

Runs Scored

650

Runs Allowed

.681

.688

1000

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.671

.667

950

Runs Scored

700

Runs Allowed

.648

.647

650

Runs Scored

900

Runs Allowed

.343

.333

600

Runs Scored

850

Runs Allowed

.333

.308

700

Runs Scored

1050

Runs Allowed

.308

.316

700

Runs Scored

1100

Runs Allowed

.288

.300

550

Runs Scored

800

Runs Allowed

.321

.273

600

Runs Scored

1000

Runs Allowed

.265

.250

 

            The Win Shares method relies on the accuracy of the alternative win projection system, which ordinarily works fine because almost all teams have winning percentages between .333 and .667.   However, there are a few teams in history—like the 1906 Cubs—who have gotten out of range, and then you get significant discrepancies between expected and actual winning percentages, and then you get unreliable evaluations of won and lost contributions.

            Just as I was writing that, I suddenly saw—five years too late—what I could have done to avoid the problem.   Oh, well.  Maybe I’ll live long enough to do Win Shares 3.

 

 

Harry Steinfeldt—Career Wins and Losses

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1898

Cin

20

0

43

.295

.393

.354

.747

6

7

3

4

10

11

.471

9

1899

Cin

21

0

43

.244

.326

.324

.650

6

11

5

4

11

15

.432

9

1900

Cin

22

2

66

.245

.341

.292

.633

8

15

6

6

13

20

.401

10

1901

Cin

23

6

47

.249

.380

.303

.683

8

9

4

4

11

13

.466

10

1902

Cin

24

1

49

.278

.355

.316

.671

10

11

8

2

18

13

.578

20

1903

Cin

25

6

83

.312

.481

.386

.867

13

5

6

2

20

8

.721

26

1904

Cin

26

1

52

.244

.318

.313

.631

6

10

5

3

11

13

.461

10

1905

Cin

27

1

39

.271

.367

.329

.696

9

8

5

3

14

11

.548

15

1906

Cubs

28

3

83

.327

.430

.395

.825

23

0

8

2

31

2

.954

46

1907

Cubs

29

1

70

.266

.336

.323

.659

14

11

10

1

24

12

.669

30

1908

Cubs

30

1

62

.241

.306

.294

.600

10

15

7

4

17

18

.477

16

1909

Cubs

31

2

59

.252

.337

.331

.668

14

10

9

1

23

11

.671

29

1910

Cubs

32

2

58

.252

.317

.323

.640

9

13

7

2

16

14

.531

17

1911

BosN

33

1

8

.254

.365

.338

.703

1

2

0

1

1

3

.187

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

27

762

.267

.360

.330

.690

138

124

82

39

219

163

.573

247

 

 

 

 

Penquin Advances

 

            Ron Cey used a big advantage in power to jump-start a wire-to-wire victory over 1920s glove wizard Willie Kamm:

 

 

Cey

Kamm

Power

24

2

Speed

2

9

Hitting For Average

8

20

Plate Discipline

11

11

Career Length

12

10

Defense

12

15

Awards

4

1

Team Success

9

2

Total

82

70

 

            The four players eliminated today (DeCinces, Steinfeldt, Keltner and Kamm) are all of similar quality.   Ranked by Win Shares Value, they range from 247 (Steinfeldt) to 220 (Kamm)—about a 10% difference, top to bottom.   All four players were outstanding defensive players, all with Defensive Winning Percentages between .642 (DeCinces) and .690 (Kamm).

 

Willie Kamm—Career Wins and Losses

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1923

CWS

23

6

87

.292

.430

.366

.796

13

10

7

3

20

13

.611

24

1924

CWS

24

6

93

.254

.364

.337

.700

9

16

6

4

15

20

.436

13

1925

CWS

25

6

83

.279

.393

.391

.784

12

12

6

4

19

15

.548

20

1926

CWS

26

0

62

.294

.385

.396

.781

14

6

8

1

22

8

.745

29

1927

CWS

27

0

59

.270

.378

.354

.732

10

14

7

3

17

17

.507

18

1928

CWS

28

1

84

.308

.411

.391

.802

14

10

6

4

20

13

.608

24

1929

CWS

29

3

63

.268

.371

.363

.734

11

12

5

4

16

16

.506

16

1930

CWS

30

3

47

.269

.396

.368

.764

6

9

4

3

10

11

.470

9

1931

CWS

31

0

9

.254

.356

.333

.689

1

2

0

1

1

3

.265

0

1932

Cle

32

3

83

.286

.403

.379

.781

10

12

9

0

20

12

.622

23

1933

Cle

33

1

47

.282

.336

.359

.695

8

11

7

1

14

13

.526

15

1934

Cle

34

0

42

.269

.345

.372

.716

8

9

6

1

13

10

.561

15

1935

Cle

35

0

1

.333

.333

.333

.667

0

1

0

0

0

1

.241

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29

826

.281

.384

.372

.756

127

133

76

34

202

167

.548

220

 

 

 

 

 

Brooks Robinson Tournament Gold Gloves

 

            The system of Win Shares and Loss Shares, unfortunately, is not designed to say who should win a Gold Glove.    The system does not assign defensive wins and losses per position; it assigns credit for defensive play at each position, assigns responsibility for defensive innings and also for making outs, and translates of these into one defensive won-lost record.   It doesn’t create a won-lost record for a player as a third baseman; it creates a defensive won-lost record for him as a complete player.

            In cases such as when a player plays multiple positions or is used as a defensive substitute, this is a real limitation.    As long as a player is a regular player and plays only third base or plays 95% of his innings at third base, it’s just a theoretical observation.    As the players we are concerned about here are regulars and are, for the most part, dedicated third basemen, we can pretty much assume that their fielding wins and losses reflect their performance at the hot corner.

            In some seasons, like 1960, our field of 66 players includes all or almost all of the good defensive third basemen in the majors.   Representing 1960 here we have Ken and Clete Boyer, Brooks Robinson, Frank Malzone, Don Hoak, Ron Santo and Jim Davenport—literally all of the good defensive third basemen in the majors that year.   (The other regulars were Eddie Mathews, who was not a glove man, Gene Freeze, who was terrible fielder, Eddie Yost, who was old and who was never a great fielder, and Reno Bertoia, who was just a utility guy playing quasi-regularly for a bad team.)     While we don’t have that kind of coverage of all of baseball history, the players in this tournament do represent about one-third of all the regular third basemen in major league history (one-third of the seasons), and a higher percentage than that of the best defensive third basemen.

            I thought it would be fun, then, to look back year by year, and see who was the best defensive player in our tournament in each season in history.  We have at least one player in the tournament for every year since 1881.  The weak spot in our coverage is the years 1910-1922; all we have in that era is Heinie Zimmerman, some old guys who were past their prime, and a very young Jimmie Dykes.    Other than that, though, we generally have two or three outstanding defensive players in every season.   These are the best. . .the Gold Glove candidates from the Brooks Robinson Invitational Tournament:

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1881

Jerry Denny

1

4.72

1882

Jerry Denny

1

11.02

1883

Jerry Denny

1

8.73

1884

Jerry Denny

2

11.85

1885

Jerry Denny

2

3.90

1886

Jerry Denny

2

8.33

1887

Billy Nash

2

5.61

1888

Billy Nash

2

12.15

1889

Billy Nash

2

11.36

 

            Denny was the only candidate 1881-1883; Nash joined him in 1884.   Denny was the better third baseman 1884-1886; Nash moved past him in 1887.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1890

Billy Nash

2

12.73

1891

Billy Nash

2

10.24

1892

Billy Nash

1

18.21

1893

Billy Nash

2

11.36

1894

Billy Nash

2

11.84

1895

Billy Nash

2

6.25

1896

Jimmy Collins

2

8.16

1897

Jimmy Collins

2

15.05

1898

Jimmy Collins

3

15.49

1899

Jimmy Collins

3

18.88

 

            Denny was still around in this era; Nash was just ahead of him defensively. 

            Collins’ defensive value of 18.88 in 1899 was the highest figure in the tournament, so let’s look behind that one a moment.

            Collins replaced Nash as the third baseman of the Boston Braves in 1896.  In 1899 the Braves won 95 games (95-57), and they did it with pitching and defense.   Despite playing in a hitter’s park (Park Factor of 107) they were third in the league in runs scored, but first in (fewest) runs allowed. 

            That appears to have been more defense than pitching.

  • Their pitchers actually led the league in (most) home runs allowed.
  • Their pitchers walked more than the league average number of batters.
  • The team allowed 31 more earned runs than the first-place Dodgers did—but 44 fewer unearned runs.

When we start handing out credit to the fielders, then, there is a lot of credit to be given on this team.  Remember, in 1899 there were only about two strikeouts per team per game, and there weren’t many home runs.   Defense was much more important then than it is now, and also, third base was a more critical defensive position in 1899 than was second.   Teams bunted several times a game.   A third baseman’s ability to field a bunt was a critical skill.   There were many fewer double plays than there are now, which made second base less critical.  

      In this context, in which defense was so critical, Collins led the league in assists by 18.   His fielding percentage, .943, did not lead the league, but was a full 40 points better than the league norm (.903).   All factors considered, it is perhaps the most impressive defensive season at third base in the history of the game.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1900

Jimmy Collins

3

12.65

1901

Jimmy Collins

3

10.90

1902

Harry Steinfeldt

3

10.50

1903

Jimmy Collins

3

12.27

1904

Jimmy Collins

3

14.62

1905

Bill Bradley

3

10.65

1906

Harry Steinfeldt

3

11.26

1907

Harry Steinfeldt

4

14.60

1908

Harry Steinfeldt

1

8.25

1909

Harry Steinfeldt

3

12.95

 

Collins remained the dominant defensive third baseman among this group until 1904, being replaced by Steinfeldt, sort of by default; we are entering the era now when we really are only dealing with one regular. 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1910

Harry Steinfeldt

3

9.92

1911

Heinie Zimmerman

2

3.90

1912

Heinie Zimmerman

1

7.37

1913

Heinie Zimmerman

1

4.49

1914

Heinie Zimmerman

1

0.46

1915

Heinie Zimmerman

1

2.56

1916

Heinie Zimmerman

1

7.26

1917

Heinie Zimmerman

1

11.48

1918

Heinie Zimmerman

1

6.25

1919

Heinie Zimmerman

2

7.27

 

Zimmerman—not a great defensive player—is winning these by default.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1920

Jimmie Dykes

1

2.55

1921

Jimmie Dykes

1

8.74

1922

Jimmie Dykes

1

3.48

1923

Willie Kamm

2

9.02

1924

Willie Kamm

3

7.19

1925

Willie Kamm

3

7.86

1926

Willie Kamm

3

11.14

1927

Willie Kamm

3

9.48

1928

Freddie Lindstrom

4

11.26

1929

Pinky Whitney

4

8.00

 

Kamm edged Dykes in 1926 by a margin of 11.14 to 11.13—the thinnest margin in the study. 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1930

Jimmie Dykes

4

4.69

1931

Jimmie Dykes

4

7.69

1932

Willie Kamm

4

13.52

1933

Willie Kamm

4

9.16

1934

Willie Kamm

5

7.95

1935

Jimmie Dykes

5

4.80

1936

Pinky Whitney

5

6.45

1937

Harlond Clift

4

7.94

1938

Harlond Clift

4

6.61

1939

Ken Keltner

5

8.81

 

      In 1930 all four active contestant (Dykes, Kamm, Lindstrom and Whitney) were between 4.45 and 4.69.  

 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1940

Harlond Clift

3

7.44

1941

Ken Keltner

3

9.97

1942

Ken Keltner

3

8.05

1943

Harlond Clift

4

7.77

1944

Ken Keltner

3

7.53

1945

Bob Elliott

2

5.83

1946

Bob Elliott

2

5.41

1947

Bob Elliott

3

8.73

1948

Ken Keltner

4

9.94

1949

Willie Jones

4

7.44

 

Elliott won the MVP Award in 1947.   In 1945 and 1946 he ranked first in the small group although he was a half-time third baseman and a half-time outfielder.  Keltner had the two best defensive years of the decade, but was up and down on defense as he was at the bat. 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1950

Willie Jones

4

7.44

1951

Ray Boone

3

8.03

1952

Willie Jones

3

8.51

1953

Willie Jones

3

7.90

1954

Willie Jones

3

7.65

1955

Don Hoak

7

6.19

1956

Ken Boyer

8

5.03

1957

Frank Malzone

7

9.37

1958

Ken Boyer

7

9.71

1959

Don Hoak

8

8.26

 

            Boone was actually playing shortstop in 1951.   In 1955 Hoak finished first ahead of several regulars although he (Hoak) was a half-time player.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1960

Brooks Robinson

10

10.38

1961

Clete Boyer

9

11.82

1962

Clete Boyer

9

11.00

1963

Ron Santo

9

10.55

1964

Ken Boyer

9

9.53

1965

Clete Boyer

8

8.09

1966

Brooks Robinson

9

6.42

1967

Brooks Robinson

10

10.31

1968

Ron Santo

12

10.82

1969

Brooks Robinson

13

12.23

 

 

Now we are reaching the era of players that some of us remember.   Robinson’s 10.38 in 1960 was the highest figure by a player in the tournament since 1932, but Boyer passed him in 1961.  In 1961 Clete Boyer nosed out his brother, 11.82 to 11.05, Robinson third among nine players, and the same players finished 1-2-3 in 1962.   In ’63 it was Santo-Clete-Brooks.   In ’64 Boyer was first, Brooks second as they both won MVP awards.   The 1967-68 contests were both close between Santo and Robinson, each winning one.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1970

Graig Nettles

12

10.06

1971

Graig Nettles

12

11.53

1972

Graig Nettles

12

10.09

1973

Graig Nettles

13

12.64

1974

Graig Nettles

15

9.55

1975

Graig Nettles

13

11.13

1976

Graig Nettles

13

12.20

1977

Ron Cey

15

8.90

1978

Graig Nettles

11

8.92

1979

Buddy Bell

12

12.03

 

      So then we have an answer to the question:  when did Nettles pass Brooks?   1970.   Brooks was second among the dozen or so candidates every year through 1974, and then Cey moved into second in 1975.   There were also several outstanding third basemen in the 1970s who are not in our study—Schmidt, Aurelio Rodriguez, Darrell Evans.   Buddy Bell won the first of his six Gold Gloves in 1979.

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1980

Doug DeCinces

15

11.07

1981

Buddy Bell

17

8.71

1982

Buddy Bell

16

9.70

1983

Buddy Bell

16

10.36

1984

Gary Gaetti

15

11.05

1985

Tim Wallach

17

11.77

1986

Gary Gaetti

17

7.85

1987

Tim Wallach

18

8.01

1988

Tim Wallach

16

9.95

1989

Steve Buechele

16

7.91

 

From 1984 to 1991, whenever Wallach didn’t win he was almost always a close second. 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

1990

Gary Gaetti

14

8.63

1991

Todd Zeile

17

6.35

1992

Tim Wallach

16

8.41

1993

Charlie Hayes

14

6.22

1994

Gary Gaetti

14

6.07

1995

Travis Fryman

18

8.53

1996

Vinny Castilla

18

10.06

1997

Jeff Cirillo

17

9.10

1998

Jeff Cirillo

20

7.16

1999

Matt Williams

21

6.19

 

Matt Williams also had a couple of years as a close second. 

 

YEAR

Best Defender

# of Candidates

Fielding Win Value

2000

Troy Glaus

21

6.56

2001

Scott Rolen

20

9.47

2002

Scott Rolen

18

7.31

2003

Adrian Beltre

17

5.71

2004

Scott Rolen

15

10.05

2005

David Bell

13

6.30

2006

Scott Rolen

14

7.43

2007

Mike Lowell

9

7.62

2008

Mike Lowell

7

5.76

2009

Adrian Beltre

8

5.31

2010

Scott Rolen

7

6.90

 
 

COMMENTS (8 Comments, most recent shown first)

jdw
We can debate whether Chipper should be in or not, but if he wasn't in the tourney would there be any question that Brooks would win it? The players are judged on 3
overwhelmingly on Career Value rather than a balance of Career and Peak. Brooks has the longest career, and replacement level is low. The contenders who are the closest to Brooks in career length (Buddy and Nettles) don't really have significant hitting advantages over Brooks to make up for the career gap. It allows for:

* Bill to discuss Chipper in the context of other HOF 3B candidates (especially Santo)

* the Career and Replacement level item to be discussed

Bill touched on the second point with Brooks in the past. Santo rates one spot ahead of Brooks in the NewHistAb, but that method factored in several Peak components. They don't appear to be in the method used in the tourney, at least not to the same degree.

It's possible that some of the other contenders would have a shot if there was a career/peak balance, and if Replacement Level was higher. But given the way the tourney is done, it seems like a Brooks-Chipper end game.
5:47 PM Sep 26th
 
kcale
Fascinating defensive data.
In reporting defensive value, should the replacement level be higher than for offensive value? Most bench players are riding the pine because they can't hit, but they can usually field just fine.

1:26 PM Sep 26th
 
CharlesSaeger
1) Bill, what was the way you saw to correct for teams of the level of the 1906 Cubs or the 1899 Spiders?

2) Brooksie and Chipper ... BB-Ref.com gives Chipper the edge in WAR (a very similar stat to Win Shares, and about as complex), 80.1 to 69.1. It uses the also absurdly-low replacement level of .320, so Brooks, who has had 22% more plate appearances than Jones in a lower-offensive era (thus there were fewer plate appearances), could win with an even lower threshold. One thing in Brooks's favor, however, is trophies. The guy played in 18 All-Star Games, has 16 Gold Gloves and has 3.69 MVP shares; you likely knew that. Chipper, however, was only on six All-Star Teams, never won a Gold Glove (alright, you knew that) and did worse in the MVP voting, 2.41 shares. His sole trophy is the 1999 NL MVP; Robinson has an All-Star Game MVP AND a World Series MVP AND awards named for Lou Gehrig and Roberto Clemente as well as the 1964 AL MVP. I didn't think there would be such a gap there.
11:16 AM Sep 26th
 
PeteDecour
Brooksie over Collins, although that one could be close or overtime. Collins was a terrific ballplayer, just not as good for as long as Brooks
Harrah over Nash

Brooks on D over Harrah

Elliott over Nettles, Santo over Bando, Santo over Elliott

Rolen loses to chipper, who should not be in the tournament, too high average and too much power and not nearly as much D value. Putting Chipper in there is like putting Boggs or Schmidt or Mathews in.

Chipper wins that tournament and may beat Brooks in the final, because he was wrongly included in the tournament

Bell over Cey.

Of the final four, as players, I rank them Chipper, Brooks, Santo, Bell and Cey as 5th

And again, Chipper was a bad choice.

9:47 AM Sep 26th
 
MarisFan61
(sorry, typo -- "neither fish NOR fowl"......no such thing as fish hor fowl) :-)
5:03 AM Sep 26th
 
MarisFan61
P.S. Digression on DeCinces' back problem:
I want to toss out another guess on why Third Basemen are so underrepresented in the HOF.

I think third basemen in the major leagues tend to be relatively odd kinds of athletes, and so their bodies tend not to hold up as well over time. The position doesn't involve as much wear-and-tear as other positions (catcher, second base), but I'm talking about something else. Doesn't it seem that 3B has the highest proportion of "muscle bound" players, and players with unusual builds? Plus, look at it this way: Third basemen need strong arms, and they need to be very "quick," but for the most part they can't be FAST, because then they'd be SS's or CF's. So, besides not being the lithest athletes, they're unusual kinds of athletes.

This has some overlap with what Bill said about 3B's being sort of "neither fish hor fowl" (in the "St. Louis Shocker" article) and thus that it's harder for them to stand out. I'm adding that perhaps the above-mentioned things make them tend to have shorter outstanding runs than players at other positions.

I realize that much of what I said applies to catcher and first basemen, but I'm saying that 3B perhaps involves an odder collection of qualities.
4:15 AM Sep 26th
 
MarisFan61
I think the 'defense junkies" among us will especially appreciate that last section.

It's a nice stroke of luck to see Brooks facing off against his 'replacement.'
As Bill said, "Players who replace a legend are notoriously prone to disappoint, but DeCinces was more or less up to the challenge." But my recollection is that as far as the Oriole fans were concerned, he mostly wasn't. I only heard of it second-hand -- i.e. as reported, because I wasn't there -- but my impression is that he mostly wasn't appreciated there.

I'm surprised that Nettles-Keltner was so close. I like them both, especially Nettles because I saw his whole career, and maybe I'm more partial to him than he deserves.

I very well remember the "Keltner List" -- and I feel it was and still remains the BEST way of evaluating players for the Hall of Fame.
3:44 AM Sep 26th
 
jdw
Unlucky draw for DeCinces. A number of people he could have taken out in this round if hed drew someone other than Brooks. In addition to the items Bill hit on with him, the thing I remember about DeCinces is that he was one of the more extreme hot-and-cold hitters of the 80s. He could go cold for a month when the back was hurting and be a black hole. Then he could go an a month/six week/two month run where he was batshit with the bat and give the appearance of carrying a team. When he was "on", he was a wondeful player to watch. His exit from the Halos was sad (Bill's pieces in the Abstracts about the 1986 & 1987 Cal teams were excellent).

Guesses on the Sweet 16 matchups:

Baltimore Regional
#1 Brooks Robinson over #5 Jimmy Collins
#3 Toby Harrah over #7 Billy Nash

Seems the most straightfoward of the four, and perhaps the least interesting though it may be interesting to see how Toby "pushes" Brooks.

Cleveland Regional
#1 Graig Nettles over #4 Bob Elliott
#2 Ron Santo over #3 Sal Bando

A bad draw for Bando, as I suspect he rates higher than the the already upset #2 in the BAL Regional and would be a favorite over Nash if he switched spots with Toby. He'd be a favorite over the #2 in the LA Regional if he switched spots with Cey. He'd be a favorite over the #1 in the STL Regional if he switched spots with #5 Rolen. Just bad luck running into one of the #2's favored to get to the Final Four (Santo along with Chipper). Bando drawing into a regional with Nettles and Santo is brutal. Easily the toughest 1-2-3 of the draw. Great Regional Final between Santo & Nettles.

St. Louis Regional
#5 Scott Rolen over #1 Gary Gaetti
#2 Chipper Jones over #3 Todd Zeile

Gaetti looks to be the only #1 to fail to advance to the Regional Finals, but is a pretty weak #1 relative to some of the very strong players seeded #2 and #3. Rolen is a hell of a player, but looks to have zero chance of getting past Chipper.

Los Angeles Regional
#1 Buddy Bell over #4 Carney Lansford
#3 Ron Cey over #2 Tim Wallach

Hard to see Wallach's PA advantage (564) and defense getting him past Cey's rather large offensive advantages. The flip side is that Cey's offense won't get him past Buddy's massive PA advantage (nearly 3000) in the Regional Final. I'm a big Cey fan growing up here in LA in the 70s. But he would have needed a perfect storm to reach the Final Four: getting into a Regional with Gaetti as the #1 and either Wallach or Dykes as the #2. Drew Wallach, but got Buddy rather than Gaetti.

Brooks, Chipper, Buddy and the Santo/Nettles winner (likely Santo).

Chipper is the worst fielder of the bunch, and the other three were excellent. Buddy's career length advantage over Chipper is smaller, and Chipper's offensive advantage is massive. Chipper has a small career length over Santo, and while Santo is the second best hitter of the four, Chipper even has a large offensive advantage there.

The only person who stops Chipper is Brooks and his 2128 PA/Career Length advantage and Defense overcomes Chipper's nearly 40 point OPS+ advantage. My guess is with the replacement level that it will be Brooks.

Bill: It might be interesting if you shared with us where the replacement level threshold in his method would need to be for someone to knock off Brooks *if* Brooks takes it all. I wonder if you'd share with us who you would have as your Top 10 from the tourney if you ranked them on Peak Value as well.
2:50 AM Sep 26th
 
 
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