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Wins, Twins and Tipping

November 19, 2010

Wins

 

            So King Felix of Puget Sound has now actually won the Cy Young Award, which means that it is time to revise my Cy Young formula; the voters are no longer cowering in the corner in fear of the Won-Lost record and the wrath of Murray Chass.   Chass writes that "the development, I believe, is directly related to the growing influence of the new-fangled statistics," which isn’t exactly right but is as close as an old-fangled writer is likely to get.   There is no "new statistic" that is very relevant to this debate; rather, there is a re-evaluation of the old statistics, provoked by research.   Sportswriters of 50 years ago truly believed that a pitcher’s won-lost record was the best indicator of his value, which was a very reasonable thing to believe until research demonstrated that it was not true.  One doesn’t reasonably anticipate that people in mid-life will re-order their thinking to accommodate what younger people have figured out.

            There were two false assumptions here:  one, that run support would generally even out over the course of a season, and two, that good pitchers had an ability to pitch to the score, and thus an ability to WIN that was distinguishable from their ability to prevent runs from scoring.  Fifty years ago, young baseball fans were taught that these things were true.   We now have actual data about run support, which makes it no longer germane whether run support generally evens out or doesn’t; the facts about the specific case are more compelling than generalizations about the normal case, whether good generalizations or bad.    In the specific case, Felix Hernandez made 34 starts, in which games his team scored 104 runs.  CC Sabathia made 34 starts, in which his team scored 193 runs.   To hold Hernandez personally responsible for this 89-run differential seems a bit like holding the beat cop responsible because the bank was robbed on his watch.

            Whether pitchers have an ability to pitch to the score—that is, an ability to win games 2-1 and 7-6—remains a debatable point at the margins.   A year ago, when Zack Greinke won the Cy Young Apple, I argued that Felix Hernandez may actually have deserved it because he had done a better job of pitching to the score.   I wouldn’t (and didn’t) argue that this was an ability, merely that it was something that had happened, and from which his team had derived benefit.   We know now that if pitchers have an ability to pitch to the score, that the trait is transient and unreliable, that it is more of a butterfly than a mule.

            We used to treat the pitcher’s won-lost record as his number one statistic, his ERA as number two.   That has changed not because of new-fangled anything, but because of research.  We know better now.

            I gather that my name has been bruited about a good deal in this debate, and here are a couple of questions from the "Hey, Bill" file:

 

With Felix Hernandez winning the Cy Young Award, there will be some media coverage portraying you as a "victor" in the war of old school vs. new school.  I know you have a sensible policy of ignoring such hype, but I also believe that if you had remained a night watchman, Felix wouldn't have won.  Hope you can take a moment to appreciate that your work really has impacted baseball history.  –Jeff

 

Bill, Would you consider Felix Hernandez winning the Cy Young award as a sign that sabermetrics finally reached the "mainstream" ?  --Anonymous

 

And so, after all these years, I am still a dividing line between the old ways and the new? Well, if there is to be a war between reason and tradition, between research and habit, I am happy to be counted on the side of reason, whether as an officer or a foot soldier.   But the day will never come when it will be a good idea to personalize knowledge, or to claim the victories of others as my own.

            I was very afraid that, at the end of this, I was going to have to argue that Sabathia should have won after all.  CC Sabathia is a pretty good pitcher, and I see it as a close race between the two of them.    What probably didn’t get enough attention here was one of them new-fangled nummers, Park Effects.  Felix Hernandez had a 2.27 ERA, Sabathia an ERA of 3.18, but that difference is mostly due to the parks they pitched in, and also, Hernandez allowed nine more un-earned runs than did Sabathia.   If we hold the pitcher 50% responsible for the un-earned runs, that narrows the margin a little more.

            Not quite enough; I think Felix really was better, and I think he deserved to win.   OK, you got me; here are my new-fangled nummers.   Pitching half his innings in Seattle, with a Park Factor of 0.81, an average pitcher could expect to allow 4.07 runs per nine innings, and a replacement level pitcher could be expected to allow 5.29 runs per nine innings.   Holding Hernandez 50% responsible for the un-earned runs, Hernandez was 75 runs better than a replacement-level pitcher.

            An average pitcher in New Yankee, on the other hand, could have been expected to allow 4.82 runs per nine innings, and a replacement level pitcher 6.26, assuming the replacement level pitcher is 30% below average.   Park Factor of 1.18.   Sabathia was 77 runs better than a replacement level pitcher.

            On the level of runs saved, then, Sabathia was +77, Hernandez +75.    However, since Sabathia pitched in a higher-run environment, each run had less impact in terms of wins.   Sabathia was probably about 8 games better than a replacement-level pitcher (8.03), whereas Hernandez was more than 9 games better (9.24).   By my math.

            So Felix deserves the award that he will receive next spring, perhaps on opening day, and what should he say that day?   Should he say, "I would like to thank my manager, my coaches, my teammates and of course my parents, but also I would like to take a moment to thank Pete Palmer for this award, and Tom Tango, and Rob Neyer, and Keith Woolner and Eddie Epstein and Craig Wright, and all the others who have worked so hard for so long to demonstrate that there are good pitchers on teams that struggle to score runs."

            No, that’s not it.   Here’s what he should say, "I appreciate this award, and I accept it on behalf of my family, my teammates and my organization, but I accept it as well on behalf of Mike Norris in 1980, of Dave Stieb in 1983, and Jim Bunning in 1960, and Bert Blyleven in 1973, and all the other pitchers over the years who were deprived of the recognition that was due to them because sportswriters confused what was done by the individual with what was done by the team.  Your time has come; we no longer live in the darkness of the past, and the shadows now are lifting from your memories."

 

 

Twins

 

            The Kansas Jayhawks this year have identical twin basketball players, Marcus and Markieff Morris, who are quite good.   Marcus is supposed to be better; coach Bill Self, who sent three players to the NBA just last year and has put probably a dozen or more there over the years, says that Marcus may be the best all-around player he has ever had—meaning (I think) the best player at doing everything.    The Morrises are listed at 6-9 but look more like 6-7½, but they’re very strong, good athletes, extraordinary energy, and they’re basketball players; they pass well and shoot fairly well and see the court well and rebound like tigers and defend like samurai.   They’re smart players who execute assignments and improvise extremely well within the game.

            Having watched them for three years I can’t tell them apart; they’re not only identical but are covered with identical tattoos, and they play the same although—to my eyes; just my judgment—people like to pretend that they have different playing styles, but I don’t see it.   The only thing I can see that makes Marcus better than Markieff is that Markieff makes silly fouls, and I don’t even see those; it’s just that when the referee calls some silly foul you didn’t see and you check the number, it’s usually Markieff’s number.   This limits his playing time, but while he is on the court he scores just as many points and gets just as many rebounds and assists and steals as his brother the All-American does. 

            Anyway, my question here is not exactly about Twins, but about redundant talents.    It might seem that having two identical players would be less effective than having two outstanding talents who were different, but it seems to me that the opposite is often true.   In 1968 the Kansas University football team, not normally a powerhouse, went to the Orange Bowl, and came within a couple of plays of possibly being the national champions.   Much of what drove the team was that they had two defensive linemen, Vernon Vanoy and John Zook, who both played for several years in the NFL; Zook was an outstanding NFL player, Vanoy had some injuries and wasn’t, but he was a dominant player in college.  Zook was a defensive end; Vanoy was a tackle in the NFL, but (right or wrong) I remember his playing the other end in college.  It might seem that if you have two players of that caliber you would rather they weren’t both defensive ends, but in fact it worked very well, because if you put one of them on one end of the line and the other on the other, there was no possible way to deal with them.  Ordinarily you would double-team a player of that caliber or set up your blocking to stop him from getting to the quarterback, but since there were two of them you couldn’t; if you double-teamed Zook Vanoy would get to the quarterback, and if you double-teamed Vanoy Zook would get there, and nobody had the talent to play them both straight up.

            Another one of those was Wichita State’s bookend forward.   In the early 1980s the Wichita State basketball team had two NBA power forwards, Antoine Carr and Cliff Levingston.   Carr played 17 years in the NBA, Levingston I think 12.  (There was also a third NBA power forward on that team, Xavier McDaniel, who was a couple of years behind them but on the same team; he also played 12 years in the NBA.)    One might think that having two NBA power forwards on a college basketball team would be one more than you really needed, but in fact it created an impossible problem for the other team.   When you run into a team that has one guy like that, you can adjust, help out on defense, concentrate on blocking him off the boards, etc.; when they have two of them, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.   Having two of them is more than twice as effective as having one.

            Marcus and Markieff are sort of like that as well, not at the same level yet but. . .I was trying to think about the phenomenon.    The Giants in 1958/1959 came up with two very similar Hall of Fame talents, in Orlando Cepeda and Willie McCovey, one left-handed and one right, but both cleanup hitters and first basemen and both really good.   In that case it didn’t exactly work; because they could both play only at first base, the Giants had to try to steal at bats for McCovey by playing Cepeda in the outfield, which was kind of like casting Kate Hudson and Reese Witherspoon in the same movie, only there’s only one romantic lead so one of them has to play her mother.    Saying that it didn’t "exactly" work is too vague; it didn’t work at all.

            On the other hand. . .well, Schilling and the Big Unit.   It was devastating because you couldn’t concede both games and you couldn’t match your best pitcher up against both of them.

            I think the McCovey/Cepeda thing didn’t work because they were at the end of the defensive spectrum, thus in the area of no options.  The parallel situation in basketball, I think, would be having two 7-foot-2 inch centers.   If they were both really good there would be some value in it, because they could rotate and stay fresh, but you couldn’t effectively play them both at the same time because you’d slow down the offense and you’d have bad matchups on defense, 7-foot-2 inch guys trying to chase a 6-5 shooting guard around a pick.   I remember LSU had Shaquille and Stanley Roberts at the same time; I don’t remember that as being especially effective, although somebody will probably tell me that it was.   UCLA had a guy named Swen Nater backing up Bill Walton; he was probably one of the three or four best centers in college basketball at the time, but he never started a game, and didn’t even play that much, because. . . .well, it’s like having Carmen Diaz and Gwyneth Paltrow in the same movie; what exactly are you going to do with one of them?

            On the other hand, if you put two action stars in the same movie—Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson—that seems to work fine; if you put Clooney and Brad Pitt in the same movie somehow you can make that work.

            I don’t really have a point here, do I?   This is "question" article, rather than an "answer" article; why does it work so well to have redundant talents sometimes, and so poorly other times?   When you have two hard-throwing right-handed relief pitchers, sometimes that works great, and sometimes it is one more than you can use.    There must be some theory that unites these experiences, but I’m not sure what it is. 

 

 

Tipping

 

 

            How old are you?   If you are less than 30, I would argue that in your lifetime, the United States government will outlaw giving or receiving tips.

            At the time of World War II the standard tip for service was 5%.   Just after the war it shifted upward to 10%, and, in the mid-1960s, to 15%.   I remember Ann Landers advising her readers that "inflation hits everybody; the waitress’s costs have gone up, too."   There is an obvious logical short-circuit here; if inflation hits everybody, the waitress’s 10% automatically goes up, but anyway, it went to 15% by 1970, and, in the last few years, has moved to 20.           At the same time, the number of things that one is expected to tip for grows constantly.   I delivered pizzas for Pizza Hut in the mid-1970s; we never got tips and never expected them.    I remember a couple of people offered to tip me, but I turned them down because it didn’t seem right.   In the 1980s the people who drove car rental company service vans were forbidden from accepting tips; now they have tip jars.    Tip jars are turning up everywhere; bakeries have tip jars.   Mm, that was a good doughnut.   Drop your change here.

            Hotel room service has developed layers of redundant service fees—a room service fee, plus a gratuity, PLUS a line for you to write in your own tip.    Wait a minute. . .how does the "gratuity" differ from the tip?   I thought the gratuity was the tip.   A $7 breakfast costs $20, plus $15 in tips.   Forty years ago the only people you tipped were waiters and cab drivers and bell boys; now you tip your roofer and movers and lawn mowers and barbers and bar tenders.

            A few old tipping jobs have disappeared. . .elevator operators, and gas pump servicemen.   We pump our own gas, now, and push our own elevator buttons.  I should stress that I am not angry about this, or annoyed about it, or anything of the sort; this is not an angry or complaining article.   It is a rational observation article.   Tipping is growing taller and wider and heavier, and growing in comparison to almost anything else, for an obvious reason:  it cuts out the IRS.   It’s economically efficient because, as a practical matter, tips aren’t reported or are heroically under-reported to the IRS.   If the car rental company pays the van driver $40,000 a year the IRS is there with its hand out, wanting their cut; if the car rental company pays him $30,000 a year and he makes $10,000 in tips, he winds up with more money because he tells the IRS that he made $117.22 in tips.

            How much do I tip, in the course of a year?   I don’t know, but it has to be thousands of dollars.  Tipping is treated as a test of generosity, thus as a test of values.   Major league baseball players tip clubhouse attendants hundreds of dollars a week.  If you don’t tip well, you’re a nasty, wasty skunk who doesn’t care about the little guy.   My observation about this is not that it is right or that it is wrong, but that it is growing, that it has been growing for a long time, and that it will continue to grow until it forces the country to take action to stop it.   It isn’t a question of if  the standard tip will go to 25%, but when.   It isn’t a question of whether more and more people will begin to expect tips, but merely of who they will be.    The people who book appointments at dentist offices?   Dry cleaners?   Airline stewards and stewardesses?   Bag boys?   Oh, wait a minute; in some grocery stores, they already do.

            The growth of tipping, which is normally done in cash because the IRS can’t track all the cash, is at odds with the movement of the country toward a cash-less society.   I would argue that at some point the growth of the tipping industry has to stop; logically, I don’t see how this can just continue to grow, unchecked, for another 50 or 60 years.    The question, really, is whether the government will step in and put a stop to it, or something else will.    Arthur Bryant’s Bar-B-Q has a sign:  If anyone in this establishment asks you for or accepts a tip, please let us know and that person will be fired immediately.   It may be that the restaurants will get organized and put a stop to it, or the hotels, or the rental car companies.   It may be that one of them will get organized and take the lead, and the others will follow.   It may be that the movement toward a cash-less society will eventually enable the IRS to track all tips or almost all tips, thus removing the economic advantage of tipping as opposed to paying wages, thus draining the swamp.

            But I doubt it.   I think eventually society will have to step in, declare this to be an onerous and unlawful activity, and put a stop to it.   I predict that this will happen before 2050.

 
 

COMMENTS (27 Comments, most recent shown first)

reeser45
The use of credit cards keeps the IRS getting their share.A report is generated that declares all credit card tips as income and taxed accordingly. In our restaurant 85% of transactions are credit cards. The IRS also uses a tax tip credit as an incentive to owners to be a watchdog for the IRS and in return the owners receive a substantial tax credit.
7:42 PM Dec 2nd
 
BringBackTriandos
The Vancouver Canucks are led by the Sedin twins, whose stats were almost identical until last season when Daniel was injured and missed a month (and Henrik won the league MVP Award).
The Orioles have had, since the 2005 draft, the Figueroa twins (Danny, 9th round draft, and Paco, 23rd round) in their minor league system. They went into the 2010 season with similar stats : Paco had the higher batting average (.291 to .267) but their OBP was closer (Paco .376, Daniel .391). Both had 5 career minor league HR, 93 RBI for Danny, 102 for Paco. Paco outhit Daniel last year at Bowie but they had identical OBP, though Paco outhomered Daniel 1-0. Paco was elevated to Norfolk before Daniel,played 90 games to Daniel's seven but both hit two HR in AAA. Is everything genetic? Does coaching play no role in player development?
3:36 PM Nov 23rd
 
evanecurb
I worked with another banker for many years who kept a tip jar on his desk. hilarious. I even gave him a couple of bucks over the years.
9:56 AM Nov 23rd
 
evanecurb
GreggB: You made an interesting observation (quoting): "Hourly wages for the remaining jobs pay a progressively lower portion of the national income because of increased competition and the replacement of family-owned business with professional managers paid only to increase earnings for shareholders."

Is this true? What is your source on this? Do family owned businesses pay their workers more than shareholder owned businesses pay their workers? I don't see why this would be true.



2:51 PM Nov 22nd
 
sprox
I think as wages continue to plummet (as measured by what you can buy) and taxes continue to grow (by 2020 the interest on the deficit is expected to be 72% of the GDP) there will be two real forces pulling in opposite directions in this country.

Specifically people will do more and more to avoid paying taxes by bartering, working under the table, making cash transactions etc

And the government will counter this with increased scrutiny in on-line transactions and possibly the slow elimination of paper currency.

Of course people will just trade in commodities to get around the lack of currency .... what a world ... what a world


8:46 AM Nov 22nd
 
Bobzilla
Why does Bill park adjust both the runs above replacement and the runs-to-win conversion? Furthermore, they seem to cancel each other out. It seems to me if you were to take the runs above replacement values Bill gives and un-park adjust them, Felix would be about 12 runs better than C.C., which using 10 runs as 1 win, is the same difference he gives when stating the difference between them in terms of wins.
10:18 PM Nov 21st
 
abiggoof
JPM,I see I missed that, and it is fair. But the problem I see is that this is more of a "how valuable" assessment, good for MVP or Win Shares, but not the main Cy Young question, "who was better?"

You shouldn't penalize a guy for having run support, just as you shouldn't penalize a guy for not having it. I see an awful lot of people penalizing Sabathia on the same grounds they say they can't penalize Hernandez -- the stuff he can't control.

Again, I don't have a problem with Felix winning, but this wasn't the slam dunk that Greinke's 2009 was. People should stop assuming that an ace with a great team with great offense SHOULD win 20 games. Nine times out of 10, it is earned.
2:53 AM Nov 21st
 
elricsi
Correct about the tipping.

When I see a tip jar at the local Subway, I am incredulous. They don't even clean off the tables when you are done, why should they get a tip? There is one Subway with no tip jar and I make it a point to go to that one most of the time.
1:51 AM Nov 21st
 
jpjeter16
@Aaron: What he means is that each individual run means less when you are in a higher-run environment. Since in a higher run environment, the score is more likely to be 7-5 or 8-4 and less likely to be 2-1 or 3-2, each individual run means less in terms of wins, since being 77 runs better than replacement means less when replacement level is, say, 200 runs as opposed to 150 runs.
4:48 PM Nov 20th
 
abiggoof
"On the level of runs saved, then, Sabathia was +77, Hernandez +75.
However, since Sabathia pitched in a higher-run environment, each run had less impact in terms of wins."
Um, isn't that another way of saying Sabathia was (barely) better, but Hernandez pitched to score? He didn't pitch to score by choice, but because the M's can't hit. If the Yanks scored less or had he given up more runs, Sabathia's great season would mean more. That's right, this thinking means Sabathia is more valuable if he pitches worse.
I don't doubt for a minute that your statement is important (the whole basis of Win Shares, really, which I applaud), or even that Hernandez should have won (although I must put up a bit of a fight, as a Yankee fan), but it seems odd that the difference between them pointed to by those who deride the idea of pitching to score is... pitching to score.
1:31 PM Nov 20th
 
dark_nation
From my corner of sports fandom, the San Antonio twin towers, David Robinson and Tim Duncan: Robinson was of course in his decline phase when Duncan joined the club, but he played at an All-Star level until his last two seasons. From 1998-2001, the club won over 70% of their games and a championship. In Robinson's final two seasons, they averaged 59 wins and won another championship.

San Antonio's twins worked because of the versatility of the big men; both were capable passers, both had very good middle range jump shots, and both could play inside, though of course Duncan's offensive arsenal was much more varied and polished in the post. And since both men were athletic enough to guard smaller players, one couldn't easily attack them with a small lineup. Though the Lakers won more championships in the years Duncan and Robinson played together, they were evenly matched on a one-to-one basis: the Spurs and Lakers met four times in the playoffs, each team winning twice. In that time the Spurs earned the best record in the NBA three times, the Lakers once.

It's funny in hindsight when I recall the sports pundits wondering if Robinson and Duncan could coexist.
12:56 PM Nov 20th
 
glkanter
I consider myself an over-tipper. I tip a buck a drink, on some days, more. And I never, ever stiff the server. No matter what. Because I will be held accountable for that at a future date. I figure the extra buck or two a day this costs me above the 15 - 20& 'expectation' won't be noticed by me or my wallet, but *will* be noticed, in a positive way by the server. I heard Charles Barkley tell a story about his rookie season. A sky cap asked to carry Barkley's bag. Which Barkley, I presume, had always carried at Auburn. He said no thanks, and went on his way. One of the vets approached him discretely and explained that having the fella carry his bags and tipping him was one way for pro athletes to share their good fortune in a respectful manner with others who don't make the big bucks. Barkley got it. I really like that story.
11:57 AM Nov 20th
 
nettles9
I think the reason you can't use Olajuwon and Sampson as an example of similar talents is because their styles of play weren't very similar. Olajuwon was basically a back-to-the-basket and penetration shooter, as well as a ferocious offensive rebounder, in his first few years in the NBA. Sampson, however, was a 7'4" center/power forward who really played like a small forward. Sampson loved to shoot outside and handle the ball, basically a finesse player, and was also a pretty good rebounder, more in the realm of defensive than offensive rebounding, and shot-blocker. The "Twin Towers" experiment in Houston actually worked out pretty good as long as Sampson was healthy. Unfortunately, I think it was knee injuries that did his career in, perhaps with some other personal issues.

I remember when Hubie Brown coached the N.Y. Knicks in 1986-87, if I remember the season correctly, playing Patrick Ewing and Bill Cartwright in the same manner, which was disastrous. Brown played Ewing at the power forward and Cartwright at center. Ewing didn't take the position change too well because he wanted to play center, and he was a center in college. When Rick Pitino was hired the following season, 1987-88, he put Ewing back at center and Cartwright became the backup, which worked out much better.
9:17 AM Nov 20th
 
greggborgeson
Bill, I fear you are correct. I hope you are not.

Virtually every economic trend of the last generation eliminates jobs (telephone operators/receptionists, gas station attendants, bank tellers, etc. etc.) at the lower end of the skill/education ladder. Hourly wages at for the remaining jobs pay a progressively lower portion of the national income because of increased competition and the replacement of family-owned business with professional managers paid only to increase earnings for shareholders.

I agree that banning tipping would put a lot of those several thousand dollars per year back in your pocket. It would also marginally increase the income of P.F. Changs, Hilton and the U.S. government. Frankly, I'm not too concerned with the bank accounts of any of those parties.

But for an unskilled worker (immigrant, ghetto kid, or simply someone who screwed off in school and is now trying to raise a family without a degree), there are very very few opportunities to earn much above minimum wage outside of the tipping-driven service jobs. And you simply cannot raise a family at or near minimum wage.

These people have the same needs and desires to build a home and provide for their family as the rest of us. Our economy is no longer structured to create anywhere near enough jobs that pay living wages to the unskilled.

I note that you don't actually take a position on whether we should or shouldn't end tipping; rather you predict that it will end. Sadly, you might be right. From my point of view, we will be closing off one of the last opportunities for the most battered portion of our country's family with the goal of padding slightly the bank accounts of the comfortable and rich. That will be regrettable.
8:58 AM Nov 20th
 
ventboys
Great series of articles, Bill. It’s almost too much to think about at once, but it was all so good that I don’t care. I remain amazed that I get this for 3 bucks a month.

Wins- I wrote my own take on Felix over at the Reader posts section, so I won’t bore you with details. I’ll bore you with my long winded summary instead. My take, basically, is that once the writers were allowed to dump wins as the primary judge of production the decision was fairly easy. The largest hidden factor (park effects), which you addressed in your article, was completely missed by the mainstream media. I am pretty sure that the acronyms were incidental, and that mainstream statistics carried the argument just fine. It’s obvious to me that your contribution to this singular vote was a large one, but not in the way that I keep hearing and reading about. It wasn’t in creating new statistics, so much as it was the end result of your 35 year insistence on finding new ways of looking at the existing statistics.

I am almost perversely hoping that, next year, we get someone on a bad team in a pitcher’s park (like Felix), with a 2.80 era and a 20-8 record; going up against someone like CC, who goes an unlucky 18-12 with an era of 3.10, in 30 more innings. Will we be flexible enough to see that CC was actually the better pitcher? I can only dream that we get, for the first time in several years, some reliever that tosses 130 1.50 era innings and vultures about 15 wins and 15 saves for a Cinderella team. THAT would be a fun argument, wouldn’t it?

Twins-

I think that you hit it on the head, at least as a first hypothesis. Twins, in ability if not parentage, are much more valuable in the middle of their respective spectrums than they are on the edges. It’s nice to have a couple of first basemen, NBA centers, hockey goalies, Tiny tailbacks, kickers, punters, singing bass voices, etc., but their value doesn’t fully realize unless one of them is lost and the other needs to carry the mail. When it’s a talent that can be utilized more than once, having a couple of special talents should be a huge advantage. I have no science, but it seems to make sense.

Tipping-

I work in an occupation that gets tips. I am a bartender. Anyone, frankly, can do my job..
Tips do not exist for our benefit. Tips are for the owners of the service industries. Tips are a way to get someone that has no possible reason to care – to care. Tips are the incentive for an industry that has no other benefits. The high end restaurants pervert this, and it might not be the worst idea in the world to re-think tipping in that environment, just to avoid tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

I might get a dollar tip for a 5 dollar drink (or mostly I get 2 bucks for a 9 dollar tab, 3 bucks for a 15 dollar tab), because I spend 10 minutes or more talking to the customer. I learn his name, and I learn something that we can talk about the next time that I see him. I tell him a joke, I let him tell me a joke, and I might introduce him to the girl at the end of the bar. The next time that he shows up I make him look like a big shot, calling him out by name as he walks in the door. He wants to be at my bar, because he is only a stranger the first time. I give him status, and I make him feel at home. I make 30-50 dollars a day, and I earn every dollar one dollar at a time. This shouldn’t automatically translate to some mouth breather in a New York restaurant getting a 50 dollar tip for dropping a couple of plates that cost 250 dollars.

Bill, before you advocate eliminating tipping altogether, I hope that you understand that it’s a very different world at the low end. Tips are for truck stops and dives, not for restaurants that have a 1200 percent markup.

5:42 AM Nov 20th
 
DHM
Tipping: I grew up giving and receiving tips, I think it's a cultural thing that was taught by my parents (Dad had a 2nd job as a part time bartender for vacation money) and then I became a bartender to work through college. Tipping is second nature to me, or I should say, WAS. Now I live in Europe, and tipping is virtually nonexistent because they add a 20-25% tax to everything automatically. In fact, in some countries it's considered insulting to tip. Tipping has a place, and I think it shows appreciation. But you shouldn't be expected to tip. Personal preference.
5:35 AM Nov 20th
 
MarisFan61
(Sorry.....in the above post I neglected to say at first who "HE" was:
NOLAN RYAN.
I'm sure almost everyone knew anyway, but it looks stupid the way I put it.) :-)
1:56 AM Nov 20th
 
MarisFan61
Tom Bell mentioned the "Twin Towers," and I recall that Bill used them as an example in one of the old annual Abstracts, talking about how some ML team might not do very well despite having two major stars.....don't remember which players or which team.

I think there's little doubt that Felix's award would not have happened if not for Bill's writings, and in fact I think that this impact started being seen LONG AGO -- not in the actually winning of one of these awards but in the voting.

Best example, I think: the NL Cy Young voting in 1987. He went 8-16 (eight and sixteen!), but did lead the league in ERA and K's. He didn't get any 1st place votes but did get enough mentions to wind up tied for 5th for the Cy Young -- a distant 5th but more than just a smattering of votes. I see also that Hershiser came in 4th despite being just 16-16. I think there's a high chance that no starting pitcher with such poor or mediocre W-L records had ever finished that high before.

I know that sabermetric wisdom hadn't much taken hold yet, but it was STARTING to get out there -- and I would HAVE to believe that Ryan and Hershiser's support in this vote were directly enabled by that.
1:52 AM Nov 20th
 
bjames
And the Japanese don't tip. Restaurants COULD organize to resist tipping. ..I'm not saying they will. ..but they could, for this reason. Suppose that I am going out to eat with my wife, and we have $50 to spend. The restaurant's goal is to get as much of that $50 as possible. If the tip is 20% and the taxes are 10%, the restaurant gets $38.46, assuming that you don't tip on the taxes (which, in fact, most people do, but etiquette guides say you don't have to.) If the tip goes up to 30%, the restaurant's share goes down to $35.71. The restaurant is in effect being coerced into paying the waiters higher wages than are really necessary to get somebody to collect orders and carry food. At some point it is clearly NOT in their interests to do this.
11:53 PM Nov 19th
 
3for3
Of course restaurants can eliminate tipping. Most european countries, service is included. Why can't that work here?

11:15 PM Nov 19th
 
tbell
Basketball twins. When the Houston Rockets drafted Hakeem Olajuwon and teamed him with the heralded Ralph Sampson, the era of the "Twin Towers" was proclaimed. This is really a false example though, since Sampson was never really any good - overrated even in college.

But here's another, more positive example: Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. Pippen was a bit taller than Jordan, with longer arms, and was only a very good scorer whereas Jordan was the best scorer ever. But otherwise they were pretty much the same player: a big guard/perimiter forward quick as lightning and strong for his size, capable of passing, shooting, and driving with either hand any time he got the ball; and with tremendous defensive instincts.

The Chicago Bulls won six championships by surrounding these two highly similar talents with capable role players. I believe their synergy was even greater than the sum of their parts. Each of them needed to be double-teamed starting from when they got the ball on the perimiter. And teams just don't have four wing players capable of playing both outside and inside.
8:12 PM Nov 19th
 
Trailbzr
Sven Nater is the answer to a trivia question: Only player drafted in the first round who never started a game his senior year. He began his pro career with the 73-74 ABA Virginia Squires, who I remember watching on TV in Washington DC at the time, because the Bullets hadn't moved from Baltimore yet. After the league merger, he led the NBA in rebounding one year 1979-80.
5:40 PM Nov 19th
 
TJNawrocki
I can't imagine restaurants will ever "get organized and put a stop to it." Tipping is hugely beneficial to restaurants. If they cut it out, waiters' wages would probably have to double or triple, and menu prices would go way up. Potential diners would think, "Yes, I don't have to tip, but do I really want to spend $23.99 on a hamburger?" It's much more efficient for restaurants to have customers pay the waitstaff directly.
5:30 PM Nov 19th
 
schoolshrink
FYI: A tip, as I understand it, was created as an acronym to mean "To Insure Promptness." I must say I love the idea of getting rid of them. What your article does not address is that we have many different ways of saying a person is not tipped, whether calling it a gratuity or anything else, and it can always be justified to say a tip is not a tip but rather a gift. If that is the case, where would be the justification in taxing them? I never liked tipping anyway and am hopeful you are correct.
5:20 PM Nov 19th
 
DanaKing
I think Bill got it right on the similar talents front: it depends on the talents. Baseball contains a natural dilemma for the McCovey-Cepeda matchup, in that only one could play first base at a time. Had Cepeda been a natural; left fielder or third baseman, the Giants would have had a left-righty combo of mashers that would be virtually impossible to pitch around. (Especially during the years when Willie Mays could hit in front of them and Jim Ray Hart behind them.)

Another example that comes to mind is the year the Yankees had John Wetteland and Mariano Rivera in the bullpen. The opponents' only option was to have a lead after 6.

As for tipping, I worked my way through college as a grocery clerk who sometimes bagged, and would carry bags to people's cars. (Usually older owmn, or mothers with small children.) One would occasionally offer me a tip, which I always refused. I figured they had already paid me. Now I think this encouraging tipping business is a way for business to justify paying people less.
5:15 PM Nov 19th
 
schoolshrink
FYI: A tip, as I understand it, was created as an acronym to mean "To Insure Promptness." I must say I love the idea of getting rid of them. What your article does not address is that we have many different ways of saying a person is not tipped, whether calling it a gratuity or anything else, and it can always be justified to say a tip is not a tip but rather a gift. If that is the case, where would be the justification in taxing them? I never liked tipping anyway and am hopeful you are correct.
4:54 PM Nov 19th
 
THBR
Concomitant with the decrease in tipping, of course, should come an increase in the wages paid certain occupations. In NYC (I can't speak for the State), it is legal for waiters to be paid LESS than minimum wage; the argument is that tips will make up for it. In my not-so-humble opinion: horsefeathers!
4:33 PM Nov 19th
 
 
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