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Thirty-Three Rotations*

December 15, 2010

The 33 Greatest Starting Rotations of All-Time

In Chronological Order

Apropos Nothing in Particular

 

(*One more than Joe would have.)

 

            1.  New York Giants, 1903.   Joe McGinnity, Christy Mathewson, Luther Taylor, Hooks Wiltse. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Joe

McGinnity

NL

1904

51

408.0

35

8

.814

144

86

1.61

Christy

Mathewson

NL

1904

48

367.2

33

12

.733

212

78

2.03

Luther

Taylor

NL

1904

37

296.1

21

15

.583

138

75

2.34

Hooks

Wiltse

NL

1904

24

164.2

13

3

.813

105

61

2.84

 

            Joe McGinnity was named "The Iron Man" not because of his pitching load, but because his wife’s family owned an Iron foundry in McAlester, Oklahoma.   Pitching 408 innings and starting both games of double-headers and pitching in the minors until he was in his mid-fifties sort of kept the whole "Iron Man" thing going.   Luther Taylor was a deaf mute who worked off-seasons for newspapers in two small towns in Kansas, Winchester and Oskaloosa.  I used to live in Winchester, 90 years later, and had an office in Oskaloosa.   Taylor was a likeable, friendly man who was a live wire despite his disability.    Wiltse was called "Hooks" because of his curve ball.

 

            2.  Chicago White Sox, 1905.   Nick Altrock, Frank Owen, Frank Smith, Doc White, Ed Walsh.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Nick

Altrock

AL

1905

38

316.0

23

12

.657

97

63

1.88

Frank

Owen

AL

1905

42

334.0

21

13

.618

125

56

2.10

Frank

Smith

AL

1905

39

291.2

19

13

.594

171

107

2.13

Doc

White

AL

1905

36

260.0

17

13

.567

120

58

1.77

Ed

Walsh

AL

1905

22

136.2

8

3

.727

71

29

2.17

 

            Altrock was a guy with a funny-looking face who made a living as a comedian/coach for many years after his playing career.   He did vaudeville in the off-season; during the season he was a legitimate coach, but he was a legitimate coach who doubled as an entertainer between innings and sometimes during innings.   I’d like to see somebody do that now, and God knows there is no shortage of funny-looking coaches. . ..Doc White held the record for consecutive scoreless innings for 60-some years, finally broken by Drysdale.   Walsh, of course, is the big star of the group, but he didn’t become a star until 1907.

 

            3.  Chicago Cubs, 1909.   Three Finger Brown, Orval Overall, Ed Reulbach, Jack Pfiester, Rube Kroh. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Three Finger

Brown

NL

1909

50

342.2

27

9

.750

172

53

1.31

Orval

Overall

NL

1909

38

285.0

20

11

.645

205

80

1.42

Ed

Reulbach

NL

1909

35

263.0

19

10

.655

105

82

1.78

Jack

Pfiester

NL

1909

29

197.0

17

6

.739

73

49

2.42

Rube

Kroh

NL

1909

17

120.1

9

4

.692

51

30

1.65

 

            The Cubs had fantastic rotations every year in this era; I think 1909 was the best, and my rules don’t allow multiple selections from the same team in the same decade.   It wasn’t really so much that these were great pitchers as it was that the infield behind them (Tinker, Evers and Chance) was so fantastic that they made whoever took the mound LOOK like a superstar in that game, with the dead balls and the infield grass four inches high.

 

            4.  Philadelphia Athletics, 1910.   Jack Coombs, Chief Bender, Cy Morgan, Eddie Plank.  

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Jack

Coombs

AL

1910

45

353.0

31

9

.775

224

115

1.30

Chief

Bender

AL

1910

30

250.0

23

5

.821

155

47

1.58

Cy

Morgan

AL

1910

36

290.2

18

12

.600

134

117

1.55

Eddie

Plank

AL

1910

38

250.1

16

10

.615

123

55

2.01

Harry

Krause

AL

1910

16

112.1

6

6

.500

60

42

2.88

 

            Bender and Plank were the Hall of Famers.    This is actually the first team we’ve hit that won the World Series.

 

            5.  1913 New York Giants.   

 

           

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Christy

Mathewson

NL

1913

40

306.0

25

11

.694

93

21

2.06

Rube

Marquard

NL

1913

42

288.0

23

10

.697

151

49

2.50

Jeff

Tesreau

NL

1913

41

282.0

22

13

.629

167

119

2.17

Al

Demaree

NL

1913

31

200.0

13

4

.765

76

38

2.21

 

            Mathewson and Marquard are Hall of Famers, although Marquard may be the worst pitcher in the Hall of Fame.    Note that Demaree has only 17 decisions with 200 innings pitched—a sign that John McGraw by 1913 was already using his bullpen quite a bit.  

 

            6.   1917 Boston Red Sox.

           

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Babe

Ruth

AL

1917

41

326.0

24

13

.649

128

108

2.02

Carl

Mays

AL

1917

35

289.0

22

9

.710

91

74

1.74

Dutch

Leonard

AL

1917

37

294.0

16

17

.485

144

72

2.17

Ernie

Shore

AL

1917

29

227.0

13

10

.565

57

55

2.22

Rube

Foster

AL

1917

17

123.0

8

7

.533

34

53

2.56

 

            Let me explain a little bit how I’m choosing these teams, because I’m choosing a lot of teams that didn’t win the World Series or didn’t even win their league, like the Red Sox, who won the World Series in 1916 and 1918, but not 1917.  I’m choosing the teams in this way.  First, I figure the Season Score for each pitcher.   Then I multiply the Season Score for the #1 pitcher on the team by 1, for the number 2 pitcher by 2, for the number 3 pitcher by 3, and by the number 4 pitcher by 4.    Then I’m choosing the three highest totals from each decade, except that I won’t choose two teams from the same team in the same decade, and then I have some other little rules and stuff to handle hard cases. 

 

            7.   1920 Chicago White Sox.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Red

Faber

AL

1920

40

319.0

23

13

.639

108

88

2.99

Eddie

Cicotte

AL

1920

37

303.0

21

10

.677

87

74

3.27

Dickie

Kerr

AL

1920

45

254.0

21

9

.700

72

72

3.37

Lefty

Williams

AL

1920

39

299.0

22

14

.611

128

90

3.91

 

            The only team to have four twenty-game winners, other than the 1971 Orioles.   Faber is in the Hall of Fame and Cicotte would be if he wasn’t dirty, although actually Cicotte was a good guy who just got caught up in something he should have stayed away from.   He was a very modest, very dignified man.

 

            8.  New York Giants, 1920.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Fred

Toney

NL

1920

42

278.0

21

11

.656

81

57

2.65

Jesse

Barnes

NL

1920

43

293.0

20

15

.571

63

56

2.64

Art

Nehf

NL

1920

40

281.0

21

12

.636

79

45

3.07

Phil

Douglas

NL

1920

46

226.0

14

10

.583

71

55

2.71

Rube

Benton

NL

1920

33

193.0

9

16

.360

52

31

3.03

 

            This is the first team we have hit that did not have a Hall of Famer in the starting rotation.   These are all interesting guys.   Toney was a big, strong guy who is famous for pitching half of the double no-hit game, matched up against Hippo Vaughn.   He also was involved in a famous scandal in 1918 after he abandoned his wife and was living with some floozy.   His wife sued him for non-support and he was prosecuted for violation of the Mann act (taking a woman across state lines for immoral purposes, probably involving sex, I’m just guessing), and agreed to join the Army in exchange for the prosecution being dropped.   Jesse Barnes was a cousin of mine, not really a distant cousin; his mother was a James, and he grew up about 20 miles from me.   Art Nehf was a little lefty, sort of an earlier-day Carl Hubbell.   Phil Douglas was thrown out of baseball after he wrote a spiteful letter, drunk, in which he sort of obliquely offered to throw games to get even with John McGraw for treating him so bad.   Benton was an alcoholic who had a large number of incidents involving public intoxication, and bounced from team to team for that reason.   He testified against the Black Sox before the grand jury investigating the 1919 fix, and was himself accused of making a lot of money betting against the Sox.    Widely regarded as a ne’er-do-well and undesirable, he was released in mid-season 1921 although he was pitching well, and was banned from the American League by Ban Johnson, then re-instated by Commissioner Landis in direct contravention of Landis’ announced policies, probably because Landis wanted to cut Ban Johnson off at the knees.  

 

            9.  1927 Yankees.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Waite

Hoyt

AL

1927

36

256.0

22

7

.759

86

54

2.64

Wilcy

Moore

AL

1927

50

213.0

19

7

.731

75

59

2.28

Herb

Pennock

AL

1927

34

210.0

19

8

.704

51

48

3.00

Urban

Shocker

AL

1927

31

200.0

18

6

.750

35

41

2.84

Dutch

Ruether

AL

1927

27

184.0

13

6

.684

45

52

3.38

George

Pipgras

AL

1927

29

166.0

10

3

.769

81

77

4.12

 

            Not as famous as the batting side of the team, but they’re here on merit.   Wilcy Moore was a reliever, but also made 12 starts and pitched 213 innings.    Hoyt and Pennock are Hall of Famers, of course, although neither is overwhelmingly qualified, and Shocker, Ruether and Pipgras were all fine pitchers.

 

            10.  1931 Philadelphia Athletics.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Lefty

Grove

AL

1931

41

289.0

31

4

.886

175

62

2.06

George

Earnshaw

AL

1931

43

282.0

21

7

.750

152

75

3.67

Rube

Walberg

AL

1931

44

291.0

20

12

.625

106

109

3.74

Roy

Mahaffey

AL

1931

30

162.0

15

4

.789

59

82

4.22

Eddie

Rommel

AL

1931

25

118.0

7

5

.583

18

27

2.97

 

            Lefty Grove was perhaps the greatest pitcher of all time, having his greatest season.   Earnshaw for two or three years was a beast.

 

            11.  New York Giants, 1933.  

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Carl

Hubbell

NL

1933

45

309.0

23

12

.657

156

47

1.66

Hal

Schumacher

NL

1933

35

259.0

19

12

.613

96

84

2.15

Freddie

Fitzsimmons

NL

1933

36

252.0

16

11

.593

65

72

2.89

Roy

Parmelee

NL

1933

32

218.0

13

8

.619

132

77

3.18

 

            The Giants are hitting every decade—1903, 1913, 1920, 1933.    They won the World Series in ’33, and Hubbell was the MVP.    Freddie Fitzsimmons was a fascinating guy, a squat man with unnaturally long arms, kind of a hobbit; nobody ever had much confidence in him but somehow he always won.   Roy Parmalee was perhaps the hardest thrower in baseball at this time, and was always flirting with no-hitters.   His fastball apparently had fantastic movement, leading to a lot of wild pitches and hit batsmen.   There’s a good entry on him in the Neyer/James Guide.

 

            12.   Chicago Cubs, 1935.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Bill

Lee

NL

1935

39

252.0

20

6

.769

100

84

2.96

Lon

Warneke

NL

1935

42

262.0

20

13

.606

120

50

3.06

Larry

French

NL

1935

42

246.0

17

10

.630

90

44

2.96

Charlie

Root

NL

1935

38

201.0

15

8

.652

94

47

3.09

Roy

Henshaw

NL

1935

31

143.0

13

5

.722

53

68

3.27

Tex

Carleton

NL

1935

31

171.0

11

8

.579

84

60

3.89

 

            The second team we have encountered without a Hall of Famer, although Warneke was very near to a Hall of Fame standard, Root won 201 games, and Big Bill Lee pitched at a Hall of Fame level from 1935 to 1939.   The ’35 Cubs might have won the World Series, but Charlie Grimm fantastically mis-handled his starting pitching, using Lee, Warneke and French all in one game, forcing him to start Tex Carleton, his sixth starter, the next day.  It’s one of the most obvious blunders in World Series history, but is hardly ever mentioned; Grimm escaped from it almost entirely unscathed. 

 

            13.   Cincinnati Reds, 1940. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Bucky

Walters

NL

1940

36

305.0

22

10

.688

115

92

2.48

Paul

Derringer

NL

1940

37

297.0

20

12

.625

115

48

3.06

Junior

Thompson

NL

1940

33

225.0

16

9

.640

103

96

3.32

Jim

Turner

NL

1940

24

187.0

14

7

.667

53

32

2.89

Whitey

Moore

NL

1940

25

117.0

8

8

.500

60

56

3.62

 

            No Hall of Famers again, but they did win the World Series.   Walters, the 1939 MVP, was fantastic again in 1940.   Jim Turner and Bucky Walters were among the most prominent early pitching coaches.

 

            14.   St. Louis Cardinals, 1944. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Mort

Cooper

NL

1944

34

252.0

22

7

.759

97

60

2.46

Ted

Wilks

NL

1944

36

208.0

17

4

.810

70

49

2.64

Harry

Brecheen

NL

1944

30

189.0

16

5

.762

88

46

2.86

Max

Lanier

NL

1944

33

224.0

17

12

.586

141

71

2.65

George

Munger

NL

1944

21

121.0

11

3

.786

55

41

1.34

 

            The Cardinal farm system at this time was a machine, producing two to five outstanding pitching prospects every year, although oddly enough none of them became truly great.   Cooper was the MVP in 1942, and pitched at a comparable level in ’43 and ’44.   The 1944 Cardinals beat the Browns, who played in the same park, to win the World Championship.   Lanier was banned from baseball for three years for signing with the Mexican League in ’46; actually he was banned for life, but it was lifted after three years because he was able to prove that he had never associated with Pete Rose.   His son was the shortstop from the 1960s—one of the worst hitting regulars of all time.  By the early 1950s the entire National League was populated by Cardinal castoff pitchers.  

 

            15.  Detroit Tigers, 1946.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Hal

Newhouser

AL

1946

37

293.0

26

9

.743

275

98

1.94

Dizzy

Trout

AL

1946

38

276.0

17

13

.567

151

97

2.35

Virgil

Trucks

AL

1946

32

237.0

14

9

.609

161

75

3.23

Fred

Hutchinson

AL

1946

28

207.0

14

11

.560

138

66

3.09

Al

Benton

AL

1946

28

141.0

11

7

.611

60

58

3.64

 

             Newhouser was at the level of Koufax, Carlton in ’72, Guidry in ’78.  Trout and Trucks had wonderful arms and won 170 games apiece.    Hutchinson, although most famous as a manager, was also notable for two other things:  1)  he had the best control of his era, other than perhaps Robin Roberts, and 2) he was the best hitting pitcher of that generation, hitting .315 in 1946, .302 in ’47, and .326 in 1950.

            Hutchinson controlled the strike zone, both as a hitter and a pitcher, at a very unusual level.    His strikeout/walk ratios, as a pitcher, were among the best of his era, if not the best of his era; he led the American League in strikeout/walk ratio four times.  His strikeout/walk ratios, as a hitter, were perhaps the best of any pitcher since 1900.  

 

            16.   New York Yankees, 1953. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Ed

Lopat

AL

1953

25

178.0

16

4

.800

50

32

2.43

Whitey

Ford

AL

1953

32

207.0

18

6

.750

110

110

3.00

Johnny

Sain

AL

1953

40

189.0

14

7

.667

84

45

3.00

Vic

Raschi

AL

1953

28

181.0

13

6

.684

76

55

3.33

Allie

Reynolds

AL

1953

41

145.0

13

7

.650

86

61

3.41

 

            The Yankees have rarely been known for outstanding starting pitching.   It’s one of those mind-numbingly obvious things that people will totally overlook when they are a’mind to lecture you about the importance of pitching; they’ll talk about how it is great pitching that dominates in October, etc. etc., totally oblivious to the fact that the Yankees, who have had had several fairly good Octobers, have never really done it with pitching.  

            Casey, of course, switched his pitchers between starting and relief to get the matchups he wanted, in a way that would never be accepted now.   In ’53 he had five outstanding pitchers, all of whom had very good careers as well, but Sain and Reynolds relieved more often than they started, and the other guys relieved on occasion as well.

 

            17.  Cleveland Indians, 1954.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Early

Wynn

AL

1954

40

271.0

23

11

.676

155

83

2.72

Bob

Lemon

AL

1954

36

258.0

23

7

.767

110

92

2.72

Mike

Garcia

AL

1954

45

259.0

19

8

.704

129

71

2.64

Art

Houtteman

AL

1954

32

188.0

15

7

.682

68

59

3.35

Bob

Feller

AL

1954

19

140.0

13

3

.813

59

39

3.09

 

            This team is often cited as having the greatest starting rotation of all time, and it’s certainly a legitimate candidate.   1954 was the right time to visit Cleveland, with Rock ‘n Roll, the ’54 Indians and the Sam Sheppard case.  If we really listed the five best pitching rotations of the 1950s, I think that would be five Cleveland Indians teams. . .different combinations of Wynn, Lemon, Feller, Garcia, and Herb Score.   In ’54 Garcia led the league in ERA at 2.64—and their team ERA was 2.78.   

            This is the first rotation we have seen with three Hall of Famers, although you have to go to the #5 guy to reach the third Hall of Famer.

 

 

            18.   Chicago White Sox, 1954.  

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Virgil

Trucks

AL

1954

40

265.0

19

12

.613

152

95

2.78

Sandy

Consuegra

AL

1954

39

154.0

16

3

.842

31

35

2.69

Bob

Keegan

AL

1954

31

210.0

16

9

.640

61

82

3.09

Jack

Harshman

AL

1954

35

177.0

14

8

.636

134

96

2.95

Don

Johnson

AL

1954

46

144.0

8

7

.533

68

43

3.13

Billy

Pierce

AL

1954

36

189.0

9

10

.474

148

86

3.48

 

            1)  The first team on the list without a Hall of Famer since the Cardinals in ’44.

            2)  I think Virgil Trucks is the second pitcher to make our list twice, the other being Christy Mathewson.

            3)  This is a really interesting team.   Trucks was a great pitcher with a fascinating career.   Consuegra was a Cuban guy who made it to the majors late and didn’t pitch a lot of innings, but pitched at an extremely high level of effectiveness from 1953 to 1955.

            Harshman spent years trying to make the majors as a first baseman.   He hit 37 homers in the minors in 1947, 40 homers in 1949, and 47 homers in 1951, but didn’t get called up.   He switched to pitching, made the majors in months, and had a good major league career, also hit 21 homers in 522 at bats in the majors.   On August 13, 1954, he pitched a 16-inning shutout over Detroit, took one day off, and came in on August 15 to pitch two innings in relief. 

            Billy Pierce, of course, was a near-Hall of Famer who was outstanding in every season from 1951 to 1958 except 1954.  Pierce also was a member of a rotation that could be listed here but isn’t, the 1962 Giants, and pitched well enough in ’62 to be one of four pitchers mentioned in the Cy Young voting that year. 

 

            19.   New York Yankees, 1963. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Whitey

Ford

AL

1963

38

269.0

24

7

.774

189

56

2.74

Jim

Bouton

AL

1963

40

249.0

21

7

.750

148

87

2.53

Ralph

Terry

AL

1963

40

268.0

17

15

.531

114

39

3.22

Al

Downing

AL

1963

24

176.0

13

5

.722

171

80

2.56

Stan

Williams

AL

1963

29

146.0

9

8

.529

98

57

3.21

 

            This is a very underrated rotation, probably the best pitching rotation in the history of the New York Yankees, and, at least as it is scored by my system, the best pitching rotation of the 1960s.

            Now that’s a shocking thing for me to say, since I have always regarded the 1966 Dodgers as the greatest rotation of the 1960s, but this team scores better, and, now that I look at the facts, I kind of see the point.   In number ones you’ve got Koufax against Ford.   OK, maybe Koufax in ’66 was better than Ford in ’63, but Ford was awfully good.   Ford had a longer career than Koufax, a better winning percentage, and a lower ERA, despite playing in a significantly higher-run context.  

            OK, Ford in ’63 wasn’t Koufax in ’66, but this isn’t about the number ones; it’s about the rotations.   The ’63 Yankees’ #2, Jim Bouton, was better than anybody else the Dodgers had, and their #3, Ralph Terry, was a very good match for the Dodgers’ #2, Osteen.    Al Downing, a rookie who made 22 starts, was totally, Koufax-like dominant, posting the lowest hits/innings ratio in the majors in fourteen years, and Stan Williams was a more-than-competent #5.  

 

            20.   The 1966 Dodgers.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Sandy

Koufax

NL

1966

41

323.0

27

9

.750

317

77

1.73

Claude

Osteen

NL

1966

39

240.0

17

14

.548

137

65

2.85

Don

Sutton

NL

1966

37

225.2

12

12

.500

209

52

2.99

Don

Drysdale

NL

1966

40

274.0

13

16

.448

177

45

3.42

 

            The starting rotation of the 1966 Dodgers has in the past, I am forced to conclude, been horribly overrated by. . .well, me.   I have in the past listed this as one of the greatest starting rotations of all time.    When I drew up this list they initially ranked sixth for the decade, which was a shock to me, and of course my first thought was to try to fix the system.   But then I stopped to look at the facts.

            The 1966 Dodgers have three Hall of Famers in their front four—one of the few teams ever that does—and the other starter won 196 games, so he wasn’t chopped raisinettes, either.   They pitched a ton of innings—1063 among the four of them—with good ERAs and good strikeout/walk ratios, and Koufax was one of the greatest ever.   With a better offense behind them they might all have won 20 games, and Koufax might have won 30.

            Yes, but.   We all know that the low offense/great pitching thing is in large part a park illusion.  The Dodger offense in ’66, park-adjusted, was about average.   Three of these guys have a combined won-lost record of 42-42, which, say what you will about won-lost records, is not all that good, and that’s different in 84 decisions than it is in 27.  If we adjust for the offensive support we have to adjust for the park as well.    Drysdale’s ERA was barely better than the league average if you don’t park-adjust it, and, even pitching in the best pitcher’s park in the league, no one on the team other than Koufax was anywhere near the league leaders in ERA.   

            Is it a good staff, yes, but there are other staffs that have more to sell—better won-lost records, and better ERAs even if you don’t park-adjust the ERAs.   The three highest-scoring staffs of the 1960s, by the system I used here, are the ’63 Yankees, the ’68 Indians and the ’69 Orioles.   There are two problems with including the ’69 Orioles:  1) that they are redundant of the 1971 Orioles, who will be included from the next decade, and 2)  that we haven’t included a National League pitching staff here since 1944, and we probably should find one that we like pretty soon.  

            OK, we throw out the Orioles, the Dodgers’ are still fifth.   They’re fifth, but they rate a few points behind the ’63 Cincinnati Reds, and I couldn’t really argue with a straight face that the ’63 Reds had a better starting rotation than the ’66 Dodgers (John Tsitouris, excuse me?).   The other team they rate a few points behind is the ’65 Dodgers, which is basically the same team, except that Drysdale was great in ’65 and the fourth spot was occupied by an aging Johnny Podres, rather than a young Don Sutton. 

            Ultimately, I am happier with the ’66 Dodgers on this list than without them, but I have to say, this is not the starting rotation that I have always thought that it was.

 

            21.   The 1968 Cleveland Indians.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Luis

Tiant

AL

1968

34

258.1

21

9

.700

264

73

1.60

Sam

McDowell

AL

1968

38

269.0

15

14

.517

283

110

1.81

Stan

Williams

AL

1968

44

194.0

13

11

.542

147

51

2.51

Sonny

Siebert

AL

1968

31

206.0

12

10

.545

146

88

2.97

 

            Second mention for Stan Williams.   Two pitchers with 547 strikeouts between them and ERAs in the ones; that’s pretty good.   Third and fourth starters were winning pitchers with better-than-league ERAs in a neutral park, and they both had good careers.

            Some people will be annoyed that none of the White Sox staffs with Gary Peters, Juan Pizarro, Tommy John and Joe Horlen made it on to the list, but that’s just the way the scores worked out, and those teams received massive help from extremely low park factors. 

 

            22.   The 1971 Baltimore Orioles. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Jim

Palmer

AL

1971

37

282.0

20

9

.690

184

106

2.68

Pat

Dobson

AL

1971

38

282.0

20

8

.714

187

63

2.90

Dave

McNally

AL

1971

30

224.0

21

5

.808

91

58

2.89

Mike

Cuellar

AL

1971

38

292.0

20

9

.690

124

78

3.08

 

            Four twenty-game winners.  Cuellar and McNally were both as good as many pitchers who are in the Hall of Fame.   The best starting rotation between the 1954 Indians and the 1990s Braves.

 

            23.   1973 Los Angeles Dodgers.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Don

Sutton

NL

1973

33

256.1

18

10

.643

200

56

2.42

Andy

Messersmith

NL

1973

33

250.0

14

10

.583

177

77

2.70

Tommy

John

NL

1973

36

218.0

16

7

.696

116

50

3.10

Claude

Osteen

NL

1973

33

237.0

16

11

.593

86

61

3.30

Al

Downing

NL

1973

30

193.0

9

9

.500

124

68

3.31

 

            Second listing for Sutton, Osteen and Downing.   All five legitimate high-quality pitchers, and perhaps the first team we’ve had with a true five-man rotation.    I try to mention Andy Messersmith on this site at least once a week.

 

            24.   1978 Kansas City Royals.

 

           

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Score

Larry

Gura

AL

1978

35

221.2

16

4

.800

81

60

2.72

249

Dennis

Leonard

AL

1978

40

294.2

21

17

.553

183

78

3.33

234

Paul

Splittorff

AL

1978

39

262.0

19

13

.594

76

60

3.40

207

Rich

Gale

AL

1978

31

192.1

14

8

.636

88

100

3.09

165

 

            Funny; I would have expected the 1985 Royals to make the list for the 1980s—they weren’t close—but would not have expected the ’78 team to be here.   All four of their starters had winning records and ERAs much better than the league, despite playing in a hitter’s park.  

Leonard won 20 games in ’77, ’78 and ’80, and probably would have won 20 in 1981 without the strike.   Gale came out of the minors early in the ‘78 and started 13-3.   He was 6-foot-8 with a great, moving fastball, but he over-analyzed everything and was behind in the count from the day he was born.   Splittorff still holds the Royals’ record for career wins.

            The interesting guy here was Larry Gura, who had been knocking around the majors for almost a decade before he finally nailed down a rotation spot with the ’78 Royals, due to injuries to Steve Busby and Andy Hassler.   Gura had come up with the Cubs under Durocher, and had bounced to the Yankees, where he went 5-1 with a 2.41 ERA in eight starts in 1974.  

            I would compare Gura very strongly to Craig Breslow, the Yale-educated lefty who pitched in 75 games for Oakland last year; he’s about the same size as Gura, same build, same coloring.  Like Breslow, Gura was a lefty without an outstanding fastball, but like Breslow he was intelligent, had excellent balance and was always in shape.   Breslow, like Gura, has struggled to get opportunities consistent with his performance.

            After Gura went 5-1 with the Yankees in ’74 the Yankees hired Billy Martin as their manager.   Gura and Martin were like Marilyn Monroe and Curly from the Three Stooges; they just didn’t really belong together.    One time Martin saw Gura leaving the hotel in tennis whites.  He might as well have been holding hands with Liberace.   Not that Gura was gay; that’s not what I’m saying.   Martin was macho; worse, he was a midget, alcoholic macho who perpetually had to be more macho than the big guys.    He was a moron; he was a great manager, but he was a troglodyte.  

            So anyway, Martin ran Gura out of New York, and he wound up in Kansas City, where he went 4-0 with a 2.30 ERA in 1976.    Mid-1978, he was still struggling for starts.   By mid-September he was 14-4 and still winning.   I asked Whitey Herzog how he explained Gura’s emergence.   He looked at me straight and said, "It’s just a man getting an opportunity and taking advantage of it."

            I remember that I was so impressed by that answer, and I still am, because Herzog didn’t try to dress up what had happened by talking about the great work of his pitching coach, or Gura’s maturity, or how his slider had come around, or any of that nonsense.   He frankly admitted, not in so many words, that Gura had always been able to pitch; he just hadn’t given him the chance to do it before.   Gura shut out Toronto late in the year; by now it seemed likely that the Royals would play the Yankees in October, but Billy Martin had been fired earlier in the season.   Somebody asked Gura in the post-game scrum if it would mean more to him to play the Yankees if Billy Martin was still there. 

            "If Martin was still there," said Gura, "we’d be playing the Red Sox."  

 

            25.   Dodgers, 1985.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Orel

Hershiser

NL

1985

36

239.2

19

3

.864

157

68

2.03

Fernando

Valenzuela

NL

1985

35

272.1

17

10

.630

208

101

2.45

Bob

Welch

NL

1985

23

167.1

14

4

.778

96

35

2.31

Jerry

Reuss

NL

1985

34

212.2

14

10

.583

84

58

2.92

Rick

Honeycutt

NL

1985

31

142.0

8

12

.400

67

49

3.42

 

            Which one of those guys wouldn’t you want pitching for you?  Jerry Reuss or Cole Hamels, who do you want?  I’ll take Reuss.  

 

            26.   New York Mets, 1986.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Bob

Ojeda

NL

1986

32

217.1

18

5

.783

148

52

2.57

Dwight

Gooden

NL

1986

33

250.0

17

6

.739

200

80

2.84

Ron

Darling

NL

1986

34

237.0

15

6

.714

184

81

2.81

Sid

Fernandez

NL

1986

32

204.1

16

6

.727

200

91

3.52

Rick

Aguilera

NL

1986

28

141.2

10

7

.588

104

36

3.88

 

            By 1991 they were starting Wally Whitehurst, Anthony Young and Pete Schourek. 

 

 

            27.   Oakland A’s, 1989.  

           

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Mike

Moore

AL

1989

35

241.2

19

11

.633

172

83

2.61

Dave

Stewart

AL

1989

36

257.2

21

9

.700

155

69

3.32

Bob

Welch

AL

1989

33

209.2

17

8

.680

137

78

3.00

Storm

Davis

AL

1989

31

169.1

19

7

.731

91

68

4.36

 

            Second listing for Bob Welch.    This team got 76 wins from their front four—probably the most in the last 30 years, I don’t know—and three of those guys were really that good.    They won the earthquake-delayed World Series over the Giants, but none of the starters will make the Hall of Fame.   We haven’t seen a Hall of Famer in one of these rotations since Sutton in ’73.  

 

            28.   Milwaukee Brewers, 1992.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Chris

Bosio

AL

1992

33

231.1

16

6

.727

120

44

3.62

Jaime

Navarro

AL

1992

34

246.0

17

11

.607

100

64

3.33

Bill

Wegman

AL

1992

35

261.2

13

14

.481

127

55

3.20

Cal

Eldred

AL

1992

14

100.1

11

2

.846

62

23

1.79

 

            This is the weakest starting rotation to make the list, and needless to say there are at least five Braves’ staffs from the 1990s that would rank ahead of it.   With league ERAs around five, constantly juggling five-man rotations and the bullpens eating up more and more innings, it’s hard to find starting rotations in the 1990s that put together four or five quality pitchers. 

 

            29.   Chicago White Sox, 1993.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Jack

McDowell

AL

1993

34

256.2

22

10

.688

158

69

3.37

Alex

Fernandez

AL

1993

34

247.1

18

9

.667

169

67

3.13

Wilson

Alvarez

AL

1993

31

207.2

15

8

.652

155

122

2.95

Jason

Bere

AL

1993

24

142.2

12

5

.706

129

81

3.47

 

            I have less to say about the recent pitchers because I assume that everybody else remembers the same things I remember.   I never know if this is a wise choice, or whether I should write to an unseen reader who doesn’t remember that Black Jack McDowell was (and is) a rock musician as serious about his music as his pitching, or that he was one of the last pitchers to stubbornly burn himself out completing games he didn’t need to complete, or that Wilson Alvarez threw a no-hitter in his second major league start, or that Alex Fernandez was once looked upon as the second coming of Tom Seaver.    For the most part I assume that you know these things.

 

            30.   Atlanta Braves, 1997.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Greg

Maddux

NL

1997

33

232.2

19

4

.826

177

20

2.20

Denny

Neagle

NL

1997

34

233.1

20

5

.800

172

49

2.97

John

Smoltz

NL

1997

35

256.0

15

12

.556

241

63

3.02

Tom

Glavine

NL

1997

33

240.0

14

7

.667

152

79

2.96

 

            This is the real standard, of course, that the Phillies will have to match.   The Braves won 98 games and led the National League in ERA in 1992, the year before they signed Greg Maddux.   I remember when Maddux signed there I thought that they could never live up to the expectations of their fans.    They did, and so I am more reluctant to say the same about the Phillies.   It won’t be easy.

 

            31.   Oakland A’s, 2001

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Mark

Mulder

AL

2001

34

229.1

21

8

.724

153

51

3.45

Tim

Hudson

AL

2001

35

235.0

18

9

.667

181

71

3.37

Barry

Zito

AL

2001

35

214.1

17

8

.680

205

80

3.49

Cory

Lidle

AL

2001

29

188.0

13

6

.684

118

47

3.59

Erik

Hiljus

AL

2001

16

66.0

5

0

1.000

67

21

3.41

 

            This team will figure prominently in the next long article that I post here, the 2001 A’s; they did something that no other team has done.

            Who has had a career like Barry Zito?   Since 2001 (his first full season) he has never made less than 32 starts in a season.    He has won 142 major league games, and he is 22 games over .500 in his career.

            And yet, somehow, he is not only regarded as a failure, but as a symbol of failure, a symbol of the waste of money and the waste of potential.    Who else is like that?

            Lidle is dead, of course.  Tim Hudson, on the other hand, remains effective after all these years, or at least is effective again after his injury.   Tim Hudson now has exactly the same career won-lost record as Sandy Koufax—165 wins, 87 losses.   

 

            32.  Seattle Mariners, 2001. 

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Freddy

Garcia

AL

2001

34

238.2

18

6

.750

163

69

3.05

Jamie

Moyer

AL

2001

33

209.2

20

6

.769

119

44

3.43

Aaron

Sele

AL

2001

34

215.0

15

5

.750

114

51

3.60

Paul

Abbott

AL

2001

28

163.0

17

4

.810

118

87

4.25

Joel

Pineiro

AL

2001

17

75.1

6

2

.750

56

21

2.03

John

Halama

AL

2001

31

110.1

10

7

.588

50

26

4.73

 

            In 2001 and 2002 the Arizona Diamondbacks had perhaps the greatest one-two pitching punch in the history of baseball, Randy Johnson and Schilling, who were the two best pitchers in baseball both years, but they don’t make the list because their fourth starter in 2001 was Brian Anderson (4-9, 5.20 ERA) and in 2002 it was Rick Helling (10-12, 4.51).  Their number three starter both years, Miguel Batista, probably wasn’t any better than John (Is your Mama) Halama, the Mariners’ number six.  This category is more about depth than the one-two punch.   Garcia and Jamie Moyer were a long way from Johnson and Schilling, but the D’Backs three-four guys were a longer way away from 32-9.

 

            33.   2002 Atlanta Braves.

 

First

Last

Lg

Year

G

IP

W

L

WPct

SO

BB

ERA

Greg

Maddux

NL

2002

34

199.1

16

6

.727

118

45

2.62

Kevin

Millwood

NL

2002

35

217.0

18

8

.692

178

65

3.24

Tom

Glavine

NL

2002

36

224.2

18

11

.621

127

78

2.96

Damian

Moss

NL

2002

33

179.0

12

6

.667

111

89

3.42

 

            2002, really?  It seems like yesterday.

 
 

COMMENTS (13 Comments, most recent shown first)

italyprof
I agree with OldBackstop. It is hard to see why either the '68 or '69 Mets don't make this list.

Also where are the Oakland As of the early 70s: Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Blue Moon Odom, Chuck Dobson, Diego Segui in 1971; Hunter, Holtzman, Blue, Odom and Hamilton in '72, and so on ?
7:26 PM Aug 3rd
 
madkinson
As mentioned above, where would the 48 Braves staff rank? Voiselle and Bickford weren't terrible as the #3 and #4 starters.
5:58 PM Jan 21st
 
evanecurb
You left out Spahn, Sain, and Ferris Fain. Or something like that. Wasn't Bill Voiselle the day of rain?
11:53 PM Dec 23rd
 
OldBackstop
I think if you wanted to pick a rotation to start a franchise, the 1969 Mets would have to be up there. Seaver 25-7, 2.21 at age 24, Koosman 17-9, 2.28 at age 26, 22 year old Nolan Ryan, 22 year old Gary Gentry (plus a 22 year old Tug McGraw in the pen).
11:03 AM Dec 19th
 
jdw
Bill: when top "staffs" came up in November, you had:

1) 2008 Toronto.
2) 2003 Dodgers.
3) 2006 Minnesota Twins.
2002 Yankees as the #18 staff of the decade
2002 Braves 31st

The Braves did have a mediocre #5 pitcher (Jason Marquis). The Braves pen was exceptional. I guess the question wouldbe: is there that huge of a difference between Season Score and Win Shares - Loss Shares?
2:49 PM Dec 17th
 
ventboys
Bill, you forgot one:

1972 Phillies-

Steve Carlton
Marvin Miller
Marvin Barnes
Marvin Hamlisch
Marvin Gardens

Hmmm... Maybe they were a little top-heavy?

Oh, and I was wondering about the 1901 Braves too, and the 1970 Cubs. How did they rate?
2:51 AM Dec 16th
 
doncoffin
The fact that Koufax and Hudson have, right now, identical W-L records is interesting. And in a lot of ways their records are eerily similar.

Almost the same ERA+ (Koufax, 131; Hudson, 128)
Almost the same number of innings pitched; Hudson has pitched slightly more games.
Almots the same number of batters faced (Hudson, 27 more).
Hudson has a better K/W ratio--2.18 to 2.93.

I wonder how much of the difference in the rest of the statistics (complete games, shutouts, raw ERA) are differences in period (CG, SHO) or park (raw ERA).
6:17 PM Dec 15th
 
wovenstrap
Would love to hear more about that St. Louis pitching explosion in the 1940s. I've been a baseball fan since the 1970s and I had no idea about any of that. It's probably a fascinating story that would be new to a lot of readers.
5:54 PM Dec 15th
 
chisox
Bill,

Of these which do you think is the greatest?
3:18 PM Dec 15th
 
chuck
Thanks, Bill. Always wonderful to get histories in addition to stats and analysis.
The 1903 Giants should be the 1904 Giants, which is Wiltse's rookie year. They also had a 21-year old Red Ames starting 11 games, going only 4 and 6 but with a better e.r.a. than the 3 and 4 guys.
2:15 PM Dec 15th
 
rgregory1956
Hey Bill, what happened to the 1901 Boston Braves staff that you were so enamoured with a decade ago? Is Season Score that different from Win Shares?
1:35 PM Dec 15th
 
jimgus
Well, it's official.

I have achieved "full-on Bill James Geekdom."

So I start reading the article and after the first two rotations, I say to myself, "I'll bet he's using that method from the top HR tandems (or the top winning brothers, or the top hitting brothers, etc.) where he applies a successively higher multiplier to each successively lower member of the group (and, he's probably using Season Score - it's his latest 'pet' stat - as the metric)."

Sure enough, that's the methodology! :-)

Does this mean that Bill has implanted himself into my head?

12:57 PM Dec 15th
 
Trailbzr
That 1971 Oriole staff with four 20-winners did so in only 158 decisions (101-57); the fewest ever in season in which a full 162 were played.
11:36 AM Dec 15th
 
 
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