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The Most Overrated Player in Baseball

December 19, 2010
 
Who is the most overrated player in baseball right now?
 
It’s easy to consider that question retrospectively: we know that Jim Rice wasn’t as great as people thought he was. In the mid-1980’s a lot of people thought Don Mattingly was the best player in baseball. When Donnie got hurt Jose Canseco got the undeserved moniker…it’s easy to know who’s over-appreciated when you know the entirety of their career. 
 
Considering some current players: Alfonso Soriano was pretty overrated, but people have caught on to that. Ryan Howard is getting paid substantially more than he is worth…if I had written this last year Howard would’ve absolutely been #1 on the list. He might still be number one: he had a poor 2010 season, and still finished 10th on this year’s MVP ballot.
 
But…I’d like to be forward-thinking about this one, and it seems like people are catching on to Howard. Just observationally: you don’t hear him talked about as one of the best players in the game anymore. There’s a ton of really good first basemen in baseball right now, and Howard doesn’t quite match up to Pujols, Votto, Adrian, Teixeira, or Fielder. Also: the Phillies were loudly criticized for the ridiculous extension they gave him.
 
If Ryan Howard finishes in the top-5 in the 2011 MVP vote, I’ll have to reconsider this. But I think Howard isn’t the most overrated player in baseball anymore. I think people have figured him out.
 
So who’s our guy now? Who is the most overrated player in baseball?
 
I think it’s Carlos Gonzalez.
 
Actually, I think he’s way ahead of the pack. I don’t know of anyone else in baseball that is as overrated as Carlos Gonzalez is.
 
To be fair, Gonzalez had a monster 2010 season: he hit .336 (1st) with 34 homeruns (4th) and 117 RBI’s (2nd). He stole 26 bases. He won a Gold Glove in the outfield. He did all that at the ripe old age of twenty-four…there are many Hall-of-Famers who’ve never had seasons as good as Gonzalez’s 2010 campaign.
 
I think there are a lot of specific contexts that help make Carlos Gonzalez overrated:
 
-The park. We all know that playing in Colorado boosts a player’s abilities, but…there’s a difference between knowing it and acting on it. Gonzalez finished third in the NL MVP vote: his road splits are ___
 
-He is fantasy gold. A lot of baseball fans play fantasy baseball, and Carlos Gonzalez was the most valuable player in fantasy baseball in 2010…he dominated all five of the conventional offensive categories, and he wasn’t ranked very high prior to the season. Plus, Gonzalez was eligible at all three outfield positions, so he is easy to build a team around.
 
-The great nickname. Car-Go is a great nickname: it’s fun and active, it’s easy to chant and put on signs, and it fits with this fast-paced media age, where it’s popular to shorten names (Brangelina). Carlos Gonzalez is a celebrity couple all by himself.
 
-He has good representation. He’s a Scott Boras client, which means that a) he will almost certainly become a free agent, and b) we will all get to read the glossy, 372-page guide outlining how closely Carlos Gonzalez’s career has mirrored Babe Ruth’s.
 
(Note: I’ll add that I respect Scott Boras a great deal. That he is so often derided for doing his job better than anyone else has always puzzled me.)
 
There are some flaws to Car-Go’s game:
 
-He never walks. He had 32 non-intentional walks last year, in 636 plate appearances. His on-base percentage, as a result, is very low: he hit .336 last year, with an on-base percentage of just .376.
 
-He was really lucky in 2010. Car-Go’s batting average on balls in play was .384, which is fantastically unsustainable. He had a lot of hits land between fielders last year…that trend won’t carry over to 2011.
 
-He is an overrated defensive player. Despite winning the Gold Glove award, Gonzalez is a good (but not great) defensive outfielder. He was very versatile in 2010, splitting time at all three outfield positions, but he is better suited at the corners than he is in center. John Dewan’s defensive data has him as a positive left-fielder, but a negative center- and right-fielder
 
I root for the Rockies…I’ve spent a lot of time in Denver, and I’ve had some great times at Coors. I love watching Carlos Gonzalez: he is a fantastically fun player, and he’s remarkably talented. But…someone has to be the most overrated player in baseball. Right now it’s Carlos Gonzalez.
 
MOST OVERRATED PITCHER
 
Obviously, this isn’t a scientific study. I just want to clarify that…I don’t have a metric that I’m using to make these calls. Please feel free to disagree with me in the comments section.
 
The most overrated pitcher in baseball history is Nolan Ryan. I think most of us could come to a consensus about that. He was a fantastic pitcher, but he was also staggeringly uncompromising.
 
So who is the most underrated pitcher in the game today?
 
Clifton Lee.
 
It must be, right? Certainly, he’s been the most talked about pitcher of the offseason, after being one of the two most talked about pitchers during the postseason. The great debate now is whether the Phillies rotation is the greatest ever, or just the greatest since Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine pitched for Atlanta.
 
Cliff Lee is a fine pitcher…but his success last year depended on staggering control (18 walks in 212.1 innings pitched). That is not the norm for Cliff Lee: his career walk rate prior to 2010 was three times higher than his walk rate last year. I don’t think he’ll be nearly as effective at avoiding walks in 2011, mostly because no one is that effective.
 
Cliff Lee and John Lackey were born in the same year, 1978. Lee was born in Arkansas in August, while Lackey was born in Texas in ‘tober. I imagine that most people assume that Lee has had a better career than Lackey:
 
Pitcher
W-L
W-L%
ERA
BB/9
K/9
ERA+
WAR
Lee
102-61
.626
3.89
2.7
7.1
112
22.1
Lackey
116-82
.586
3.85
2.2
6.9
114
27.2
 
They’re closer than I thought they’d be. Lee has the bigger seasons, but Lackey’s had a longer career.
 
Obviously, Cliff Lee is coming off a historical great 2010 season, while John Lackey was a disappointment in Boston. But…Lee is not all that far apart from John Lackey in his rate stats. He’s the most overrated pitcher in baseball.
 
MOST UNDERRATED POSITION PLAYER
 
There are a lot of choices here…
 
Adrian Gonzalez would’ve been an obvious choice, but he’s with the Red Sox now, and it would be unsporting to call any Red Sox player underrated. When Adrian hits 68 homeruns next year, he will stop being underrated.
 
The same is true for Crawford…a lot of Sox fans have been scoffing at the contract that the Red Sox gave Crawford. I was surprised by that: it seems obvious to me that Crawford is one of the 10-15 best players in baseball right now.
 
Ryan Zimmerman is underrated…he’s the most famously underrated player in the NL now that Adrian has switched leagues. He would be a good choice.
 
I love Billy Butler…he doesn’t get a lot of love away from Kansas, but he’s a helluva hitter.
 
Shin-Soo Choo has been terrific in Cleveland…maybe everyone know about this, but I want to mention it anyway. Choo is a native of South Korea, which requires all of its citizens to serve two years in the military. To get an exemption from service, Choo had to help South Korea win the Gold Medal during the recent Asian games in China. With his major league career on the line, Choo went 8-for-14 (.571 batting average) with 5 walks, 3 homeruns, 11 RBI’s, and two stolen bases during the five games it took South Korea to win the gold medal. You have to root for someone like that.
 
Brett Gardner is very underrated: he is a fine defensive player and a terrific base runner with an excellent on-base average. He was probably the second most valuable player on the Yankees last year, and no one seems to notice him. I hate the Yankees, but I really like Brett Gardner. And Nick Swisher. And Cano.
 
But I’m going with a player who a) led his league in walks in 2010, and b) was one of the best defensive players in all of baseball.
 
Daric Barton is the most underrated player in baseball.
 
The first baseman for the Oakland A’s had a terrific 2010 season, wresting the Fielding Bible Award away from Albert Pujols with a staggering 20 Defensive Runs Saved. He walked 110 times last year, and led Oakland to a surprising .500 finish. He’s just 25 years old next year, and no one outside of Oakland is paying any attention to him.
 
MOST UNDERRATED PITCHER
 
If I asked you to guess the six best pitchers of 2008-2010 according to WAR, you’d probably guess them in seven or eight tries:
 
Name
WAR ('08-'10)
Roy Halladay
20.1
CC Sabathia
16.8
Tim Lincecum
16.7
Cliff Lee
16.6
Felix Hernandez
16.3
Jon Lester
16.2
 
That’s not hard. The only guy who hasn’t won serious hardware is Jon Lester, and he’s not exactly an unknown commodity.
 
So who is #7 on that list?
 
You might guess Zack Greinke, who had that monster 2009 season (9.0 WAR). You’d be wrong. You could go with Oswalt or Hamels of the Phillies, or Wainwright or Carpenter of the Cardinals. Bostonian will consider John Lackey or Josh Beckett. If you’re an Angels fan you’d hazard Jered Weaver, who led the AL in strikeouts last year and has been an excellent and very underappreciated pitcher. You might guess Dan Haren or Yovani Gallardo, and you’d still be wrong. If you’re a Cubs fan you might try Zambrano. Giants fans will try Cain; Giants owners will hope it's Zito. If you’re a Pirates fan you should probably pick a different team. Francisco Liriano? No. David Price? No? Chad Billingsly? No. Tim Hudson? No. A closer? Mariano or Papelbon or Soria? Nope and nope and nope.
 
That list, with #7:
 
Name
WAR ('08-'10)
Roy Halladay
20.1
CC Sabathia
16.8
Tim Lincecum
16.7
Cliff Lee
16.6
Felix Hernandex
16.3
Jon Lester
16.2
John Danks
16.1
 
John Danks...really.
 
Danks has been excellent for the White Sox, and no one has noticed it. Every year he makes 32 starts, gets his 200 innings, and posts an ERA about 20% better than the league average. He is an astonishingly good pitcher, on par with Lee and Hernandez and Lester and Greinke, and no one knows it.
 
Congratulations John Danks: you’re the most underrated pitcher in baseball.
 
2011 Most Overrated Player: Carlos Gonzalez
2011 Most Overrated Pitcher: Cliff Lee
2011 Most Underrated Player: Daric Barton
2012 Most Underrated Pitcher: John Danks
 
We’ll check back next year.
 
(Just a friendly reminder: voting is still going on for the BJOL Hall of Fame. Go to ‘Other Columnists’ list and click the article called ‘2011 BJOL Hall of Fame.’ Cast your ballot in the comments section.)
 
Dave Fleming is a writer living in Wellington, New Zealand. He welcomes comments, questions, and letters from Yankees fans complaining that the Red Sox are the new Yankees both here and at dfleming1986@yahoo.com.
 
 

COMMENTS (24 Comments, most recent shown first)

hotstatrat
I am extremely skeptical that Daric Barton, let alone any first-baseman, is among the best fielders in the game.
10:14 AM Jan 10th
 
smitty99
Regarding Lee, you make a common error in my view. You use career stats for a guy who had a meh start to his career and then has come on like gangbusters. Career stats are not always the best indicator of a guy's value. Three year numbers are often more indicative of how good a guy is right now.

After Lee established himself as a starter in Cleveland he had the following ERA +. 80; 111; 102; 72. Since 2008, it's been 168; 131; 130.

His BB/9 rates over those 7 years went like this: 4.1; 2.3 2.6 3.3 1.4 1.7 0.8.

As was already pointed out, later in the article, you Lee amongst the top SIX pitchers in baseball from '08 to '10 using WAR. I guess your point about the ridiculously few walks Lee gave up last year as being unsustainable is not a bad one. But it isn't as if Lee doesn't have very low walk rates normally. And he's been a very fine pitcher when he has had his normal walk rates in '08 and '09. Last season was sort of historically great for him. But he was even better in '08 overall.

He has clearly been much better over the last three seasons than in the beginning of his career. He quite famously got hurt in 2007; went to the minors and taught himself how to be a more effective pitcher. He used to be an extreme fly ball pitcher and is no longer. He has much better command of his control now than he did in the first phase of his career -- the decent but not great phase.

Lackey's career has been a bell shaped curve, peaking in 2007. His K rate has been going down -- his BB rate up.

Comparing Lee and Lackey is a non-starter in my view. Lee is much better now. Is Lee overrated? Only if you think he's the best pitcher in MLB. He isn't. But he's amongst 'em and that ain't half bad.
5:28 PM Dec 30th
 
ventboys
Great stuff as usual, Dave,

Just to be a contrarian, I'll offer contrary picks. As for your picks? CarGo, in my mind, isn't famous enough yet to be the most overrated. Lee's postseason record and other accomplishments are so good that I don't believe that he's overrated, either; well, not enough to be the top guy. Barton and Danks are terrific choices, and I wouldn’t quibble with them.

A few choices:

Overrated position player: Alex Rodriguez. While he is still thought of as a superstar and in the argument for the best player in baseball, his numbers have deteriorated. Last year he hit just .270 with 30 homeruns. His slugging percentage was barely over .500, and his oba was just .341. The 125 rbi and other good counting stats made him look better than he really was.

Overrated pitcher: Brian Wilson. His 1.81 era isn’t fully supported by his peripherals (74 innings, 26 walks, 62 hits allowed, 3 homers), and his World Series heroics will get him several magazine covers over the next several months. I’m not saying that he isn’t good, but he isn’t Mariano. He makes me nervous every time that he pitches.

Underrated position player: Robinson Cano. I don’t believe that even Yankee fans realize just how important he was to the Yankees last year. He is still fairly young, and he doubled his walk total in 2010. He might be the best player in the AL now, and he is still getting better.

Underrated pitcher: Clay Bucholz. He missed a few starts with an injury, but he nearly paced Felix in every other way. His era was 2.33 (Felix 2.27, in a much better place to pitch), and his other ratios were similar. He walked a few more, but he allowed just 9 homers in over 170 innings, with Fenway as his home park. His arm hasn’t been abused, and he is past the injury nexus. He could easily be the best pitcher in the AL over the next several years, but he is hardly mentioned. Even the Sox advertise him as their third starter.

1:35 PM Dec 25th
 
evanecurb
After reading Chuck's latest post, I have to concede that Ryan was not overrated. He was great. So the most overrated pitcher in history is who? No, he's on first.

I'll second Kev's nomination of Drysdale as most overrated, but I think Catfish is a worthy nominee. How about Trevor Hoffman? People are saying he's a shoo in for the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure he was ever the best relief pitcher in the NL for any extended period of time at any point in his career. And he certainly was never the best reliever in baseball.

Early Wynn?

Rube Marquard?

Rube Waddell?

I think there's a column in this for you, Dave, should you care to write it. For most underrated pitcher in history, I nominate Whitey Ford and I'm sure there will be other nominees. Dave Stieb, Billy Pierce, Kevin Appier were all pretty good pitchers. Maybe some of your Red Sox, as their performance was always obscured by their home park.
11:44 PM Dec 23rd
 
Kev
If you arbitrarily define contender as a team which finished 6 or fewer games out of 1st place, then, when the Dodgers were contenders or winners, Drysdale's
record against contenders was 48-49. Pitching like that, why is he even in the Hall of Fame?
4:13 PM Dec 23rd
 
MarisFan61
Tom: Good point but you have to take the ballparks into account.
I know all about the humidor, and about how Yankee Stadium played as a hitter's park this year -- but still.
The difference between those is bigger than it looks.

But it's still a good point. :-)
11:20 PM Dec 22nd
 
TJNawrocki
Carlos Gonzalez' OBP is described as "very low." Brett Gardner is described as having "an excellent on-base average." Gonzalez' OBP last year was .376; Gardner's was .383.

Those are the most important seven percentage points I've ever seen.
7:38 PM Dec 22nd
 
Brian
Historically, the argument against Ryan is that he never won a Cy Young - so no one was giving him awards he didn't deserve. He is in the Hall, but he should be. Profiling it, you would want someone from a pitcher's park in a pitcher's era in a large market - Drysdale?
12:51 PM Dec 22nd
 
Brian
Not sure this would be the answer, but I think Mark Buehrle could be considered overrated. The defense & the no-hitters have gotten him more attention than his overall pitching deserves. He has some higher ERA seasons and does not strike out many guys.

2 guys who I thought were overrated before injuries took over their careers were Peavy and Bonderman.
12:41 PM Dec 22nd
 
rgregory1956
Isn't it amazing how we value players as over- or under-rated? For me, the two most over-rated current players are Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford. It's probably because I don't play or follow fantasy baseball. The two most under-rated seem to me to be Joakim Soria and Ryan Zimmerman. It's hard for me to see Adrian Gonzalez as most under-rated anymore, when he is the yearly winner of "Most Under-Rated Player". I assume that Zimmerman will be the most over-rated "Under-Rated" player in a year or two. Remember Joe Rudi? He was ALWAYS mentioned as "Joe Rudi, most under-rated player" by announcers.

Most over-rated of the past 50 years? Jack Morris and Joe Carter. Most under-rated of the past 50 years? Dave Stieb and Bobby Grich.

It's really hard to compare stats pre-1920 to today's players, but when you think of Cy Young, think of Warren Spahn. Two really great pitchers who had comparable stats, adjusted for time and place. They never soared to the really dizzying heights of a Seaver or Clemens, but they were Tom Glavine-esque for year upon year.

As to Nolan Ryan, his career counting stats are more impressive than his career rate stats. He was never as good as the pundits made him out to be. But (and it's a big but) was there anybody you'd make a point to watch if he was on MLB's Game of the Week on Saturdays? Two of his no-hitters were on TV that I got to watch from beginning to end. I was glued to the set the entire time, both games. Anytime he was the announced starting pitcher, I ALWAYS tuned in. Ryan wins my award for "Most Under-Rated Over-Rated Player" of all time.
11:09 AM Dec 22nd
 
MarisFan61
Dave -- I can't tell if your 'props' about my mentioning Cy Young were actual, or sarcastic.

I mean, I get the part about him not winning the Cy Young Award :-) but it's hard to tell.

Once we know, we can perhaps take it from there.....
10:19 PM Dec 21st
 
stevebogus
re: Carlos Gonzalez

While it is unusual for even a great hitter to have a .380+ BABIP I wouldn't call such a performance "fantastically unsustainable". I made a similar comment some months ago about Norm Cash in 1961, but I then did some deeper research and found that there have been hitters who sustained a BABIP of .350-.360 over a period of years.

Ignoring sacrifice flies (because I'm in a hurry), CarGo has now had seasons of .318, .338, and .390, and is at .359 for his career.

Dick Allen had consecutive seasons of .370-.364-.362-.368
Andres Galarraga had seasons of .377 and .363 in Montreal, .405 in Colorado
Donn Clendenon went .361-.357 in 1965-1966
Roberto Clemente reached .405 in 1967 and was .360 from 1960 thru 1972.

Additional research would, no doubt, come up with more examples.

So, .390 is near the edge of the envelope. But when Carlos regresses will he slip to .360 or .300? I'm guessing his "true" performance level is .350-ish, which is where many very good hitters reside in their prime seasons.


7:43 PM Dec 21st
 
DaveFleming
Fair point about Lee, Rusty: he's been one of the five best pitchers in baseball over the last three years, which is difficult to 'overrate.' I needed someone...I'm open to suggestions.

MarisFan61: GREAT choice....I didn't even think about Denton True Young, but he has to be a contender. Did you know: he never even won the Cy Young Award? Long career, no trophy. Overrated.

To Anon: the difference is the 990,000 people part. There aren't 990,000 million people making that argument for Blyleven. There were 990,000 making that argument for Nolan Ryan.

Ryan is overrated because a LOT of people want to make a case that probably can't be made: that he's one of the ten greatest pitchers ever. Almost everyone believes that Ryan is at least a clear and obvious Hall-of-Famer.

Blyleven is underrated because very few people consider him a HOF'er, and very very few people believe him to be historically great.
2:36 PM Dec 21st
 
Kev
Dave,

Dave,

A-Rod--how about a column entitled empty numbers. I had occasion to mention Tommy Henrich recently. Dave, who of the 2 do you send up with the game on the line?

Burnett--how long are people going to fall in love with hs "stuff" (admittedly excellent at times) and overlook the fact that he is a loser. Tell me--with his salary, and with the Yankees behind him, why does one always cringe when Burnett starts: it's out of uncertainty as to which Burnett is pitching. OK, so Lee can't sustain his walk rate; if you indict him, you should behead Burnett (just kidding, I think).
2:24 PM Dec 21st
 
those
Dave Fleming wrote: "Blyleven ranks 13th among pitchers in career WAR, so it's not THAT staggering."

Glad you brought that up. Nolan Ryan ranks 16th all-time by the same stat. Considering two of the guys above him started their career in 1890, you're arguing that

a) If I move Ryan from 14th to 6th among 20th century pitchers, I'm wildly over-rating him.

b) Blyleven moving from 13th to 7th all-time on one list is not that big of a deal.

I ain't buying it.
2:17 PM Dec 21st
 
rpriske
Wait a minute...

You say Cliff Lee is the most overrated pitcher and then use a list to argue who the top pitchers are to make a case about the most underrated pitcher... and Cliff Lee is on it?

If you consider that WAR list to be an indication of ability, the only way Cliff Lee could be severely overrated is if people generally think he is the best pitcher in baseball, and I can't imagine that ANYBODY thinks that. (Not with Doc Halladay around...)
8:36 AM Dec 21st
 
MarisFan61
OK Dave -- you asked for it, and you're getting it. :-)
"Name a pitcher more overrated than Nolan Ryan":

CY YOUNG!

Maybe he's not 'overrated' any more, and in any event it's not anything to get hysterical about because he wasn't terrible :haha: .....but I think it's only in the last couple of decades that most everyone doesn't think of him as the greatest pitcher ever. I must admit *I* always sort of assumed he was, till I read some of Bill's stuff in the early or mid '80s talking about him and Grove and Walter Johnson. I think most casual fans and even most semi-serious fans would still say he's in the top 3 -- and I would say that makes him more overrated than Ryan.
Although again that depends a lot on what the common view of Ryan really is -- and I think we might have slightly different ideas about that. I think the common view of Ryan is that he was spectacular and unique but not extremely great overall. And I don't think the fact that he gets "mentioned" so much indicates otherwise. I mean, Horace Clarke gets mentioned a lot too..... :-)
3:46 AM Dec 21st
 
DaveFleming
Also: one article, using objective measures, comes up with Blyleven as #7...and that somehow pushes him past the 990,000 people who voted for Nolan Ryan as one of the six best pitchers of all-time? (The A-C ballot allowed votes for six pitchers).

One study...one...against 990,000 ballots. I ain't buying it.

Blyleven is still vastly underrated: he is NOT in the Hall of Fame, and until he is, he qualifies as one of the most underrated pitchers in history.
1:24 AM Dec 21st
 
jrickert
Out of curiosity I went to Google Ngrams
http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Nolan+Ryan,Tom+Seaver,Steve+Carlton,Jim+Palmer,Gaylord+Perry,Fergie+Jenkins,Ferguson+Jenkins,+Don+Sutton&year_start=1960&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=5
and saw that Ryan does come out as mentioned much more than the other great pitchers of the era.
Now I'll go back and add Bert Blyleven and ...
12:35 AM Dec 21st
 
jrickert
Out of curiosity I went to Google Ngrams
http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Nolan+Ryan,Tom+Seaver,Steve+Carlton,Jim+Palmer,Gaylord+Perry,Fergie+Jenkins,Ferguson+Jenkins,+Don+Sutton&year_start=1960&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=5
and saw that Ryan does come out as mentioned much more than the other great pitchers of the era.
Now I'll go back and add Bert Blyleven and ...
11:09 PM Dec 20th
 
DaveFleming
Blyleven ranks 13th among pitchers in career WAR, so it's not THAT staggering. If you believe (as I do) that the quality of play has steadily improved, then there is a reasonable case that Blyleven is #7. I wouldn't put him that high, but I wouldn't assume that he shouldn't be that high, either.
9:03 PM Dec 20th
 
those
One edition of The Hardball Times had an article saying Bert Blyleven was the 7th-greatest pitcher in baseball history. I think that qualifies him as more overrated than Nolan Ryan.
7:13 PM Dec 20th
 
DaveFleming
Well, what other starting pitcher was more overrated than Ryan? I can't think of anyone else who comes to mind.

He did a LOT to get our attention: the no-hitters, the 5,000 strikeouts, the fight (is that the right word for it?) with Robin Ventura...those things tend to gloss over some of the things that knock him a few pegs lower than Seaver and Carlton and Perry and Jenkins and Palmer.
2:22 PM Dec 20th
 
MarisFan61
As a Yank fan who loves Gardner, I'm thrilled whenever he gets mentioned for something like this, although I would have thought he needs at least another half-season of similar play before we start truly considering him for it.

About NOLAN RYAN: Is he really "overrated"? It depends on what actually is the commonly-held notion of him -- and I didn't think that notion was much different than what he actually was, except among casual fans, which I wouldn't have thought to be our frame of reference.

I thought the usual image of him among *serious* fans is that when he was good, he could be great, that he had an unusual number of spectacular games, that he struck out more hitters than anyone, and that he kept it up until an incredible old age; but THAT WAS IT (so to speak). Which I think is exactly accurate.
12:20 AM Dec 20th
 
 
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