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The 2011 Hall of Fame Ballot (Part III)

January 19, 2011

Candidate: 

Dale Murphy

Rank:

18th

Mob Family Nickname:

Morman

Votes: 

73, 12.6%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

253-198, .561

Best Season:

1983, 26-6 (Atlanta)

 

            The first thing I should say here, I suppose, is that history shows that there are almost always more than ten future Hall of Famers on the Hall of Fame ballot.    If you go back to 1960, 1970, 1980, I think you will always find that there are more than ten players on the ballot who will eventually go into the Hall of Fame, and usually, that there are more than 25.   It is not unusual to suggest that Dale Murphy is 18th on the list, but nonetheless a qualified Hall of Famer.

            On an emotional level, I would be very happy to see Dale Murphy go into the Hall of Fame.   He is a good man, and there are many players no better than he was who are in the Hall of Fame, so he in no way degrades the standards of the Hall of Fame, if he were selected. 

            It seems like he might be a Hall of Famer, because he had the two MVP seasons, and he had other seasons of the same quality.   But while Murphy’s two MVP seasons were not illegitimate MVP Awards, as (in my opinion) Juan Gonzalez’ were, neither were Murphy’s seasons of true MVP quality.  Bret Boone didn’t win any MVP Awards, but Bret Boone’s best season was better than Murphy’s.   Tim Raines didn’t win any MVP Awards, John Olerud didn’t and Fred McGriff didn’t, but Fred McGriff had two seasons better than Murphy’s best, Olerud had two, and Raines had three.

            If I had a vote, I couldn’t vote for Dale Murphy to go into the Hall of Fame, because I think there are ten candidates on the ballot who were better than he was.   But he’s not an undeserving Hall of Famer. 

 

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Performance at Age 37

 

            At the age of 37 this group of players retained 36% of their Peak Value.   Edgar Martinez at age 37 hit 37 homers, drove in 145 runs and had a .423 On Base Percentage, making him the oldest player in this group to have a true All-Star quality season.   But only five players in the group had 500 at bats at age 37.

 

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Candidate: 

Kevin Brown

Rank:

17th

Mob Family Nickname:

Sourpuss

Votes: 

12, 2.1%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

237-140, .629

Best Season:

1998, 24-7 (San Diego)

 

            Kevin Brown’s career won-lost record (211-144) is similar to a half-dozen pitchers who are in the Hall of Fame, like Stan Coveleski (215-142), Chief Bender (212-127), Jesse Haines (210-158), Don Drysdale (209-166), Hal Newhouser (207-150), and Bob Lemon (207-128).  In truth, Brown was probably a better pitcher than most of those.   However, until we clear off the backlog of better pitchers, I wouldn’t consider voting for him. 

 

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Performance at Age 38

 

            The best player in this group at the age of 38 was again Edgar Martinez, playing 138 games, and hitting .306 with 116 RBI.   Five players in the group remained regulars or quasi-regulars at age 38—Martinez, Fred McGriff, Rafael Palmeiro, Harold Baines, Barry Larkin and Dave Parker.   Larkin and Parker weren’t very good.    Blyleven, Brown and Leiter continued to pitch well.

 

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Candidate: 

Don Mattingly

Rank:

16th

Mob Family Nickname:

Pinstripes

Votes: 

79, 13.6%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

243-127, .626

Best Season:

1986, 29-5 (Yankees)

 

             OK, remember this chart, that I ran yesterday and the day before?

 

 

GROUP A

Win Share Value 450 or more

Obvious Hall of Famers

 

GROUP B

Win Share Value 400 to 449

Obvious Hall of Famers

More-than-Qualified Hall of Famers of a type who are almost universally selected fairly quickly.

 

 

GROUP C

Win Share Value 350 to 399

Fully qualified candidates who are presumptive Hall of Famers

unless there is some peculiar reason they should not be.   In general,

I endorse the Hall of Fame candidacy of these players.

 

 

GROUP D

Win Share Value 300 to 349

Qualified Hall of Fame candidates of a type that are selected more often than not,

often after a long wait.  In my view there are some players in this range who

are good Hall of Fame candidates, and some who are not.

 

GROUP E

Win Share Value 250 to 299

Marginal candidates.  

There are many players in this range who are in the Hall of Fame;

there are dozens or hundreds who are not.   In my view, players in this range should in general not be selected to the Hall of Fame, unless there is some unusual reason why they should.

 

 

GROUP F

Win Share Value 200 to 249

Fringe candidates.  

There are players like this who have somehow managed to get into the Hall of Fame, because Hall of Fame voting is often not well considered, and there may even be one or two players in this range who should be in.    But in general, players in this range of stature

do not belong in the Hall of Fame.

 

 

GROUP G

Win Share Value Less than 200

Players who are not Hall of Famers.

 

            With Don Mattingly we have entered group "D", players who are at or above the Hall of Fame standard, and who generally do get in the Hall of Fame eventually.   Mattingly clears one of the two standards that, in my view, mark a man as a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate:  100 more Win Shares than Loss Shares.

Although he ranks only 16th in this group of players in a technical analysis, I feel that Don Mattingly should be in the Hall of Fame, and if I had a ten-man ballot I would try to make room for Mattingly on it.   Mattingly was a truly great player, if only for a few years.   His period of brilliance was shortened by back trouble, but, to me, a man who is actually a great player for a few years ranks ahead of a player who hangs around and accumulates value.   Thus, although my numbers put Harold Baines ahead of Mattingly, I don’t know that I would vote it that way.

 

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Performance at Age 39

 

            By the age of 39 more than half of the players in this group were no longer in the majors, and the players as a group retained only 13% of their peak value.   The best players in the group were Al Leiter (12-4), Dave Parker (16-15) and Rafael Palmeiro (15-15).

 

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Candidate: 

Alan Trammell

Rank:

15th

Mob Family Nickname:

Trammaker

Votes: 

141, 24.3%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

280-177, .613

Best Season:

1987, 27-3 (Detroit)

 

 

            Trammell, or Barry Larkin?   It’s not really close; Larkin was quite a bit better.   Larkin’s OPS was .815; Trammell’s was .767, and he played in a higher run context—plus Larkin was faster and a better shortstop.    Trammell’s a legitimate Hall of Famer, but Larkin should go in first.

 

 

 

Larkin

Trammell

 

 

 

 

 

Games

 

2180

 

2293

Hits

 

2340

 

2365

Home Runs

 

198

 

185

RBI

 

960

 

1003

Batting Average

 

.295

 

.285

On Base Percentage

 

.371

 

.352

Slugging Percentage

 

.444

 

.415

OPS

 

.815

 

.767

Stolen Bases

 

379

 

236

Runs Created

 

1377

 

1246

Outs

 

5978

 

6388

RCAA

 

271

 

161

RCAP

 

488

 

365

 

            RCAP is Runs Created Against Positional Average. 

 

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Performance at Age 40

 

            By the age of 40, 25 of the 36 players were no longer in the majors, and they retained only 10% of their peak value.  The best players in the group at age 40 were Edgar Martinez (17-7), Harold Baines (15-7), and Rafael Palmeiro (11-9).    Martinez hit .294 with 24 homers, 98 RBI and 92 walks.

 

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Candidate: 

Harold Baines

Rank:

14th

Mob Family Nickname:

Weird

Votes: 

28, 4.8%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

297-207, .589

Best Season:

1984, 22-8 (White Sox)

 

 

             If I understand the rules Baines will drop off the ballot for lack of support after drawing only 4.8% in this year’s voting.   That’s alright; he is very close to the line where I think you’d have to support his candidacy, but I don’t think he is over it.

             What is odd about Baines’ career is that his prime is missing.   He was a very good young player, posting won-lost records beginning in 1982 of 20-16, 20-14, 22-8, 21-13 and 20-11.   When he was an old player, he was exceptionally good for an old player—one of the best "old" players in this group.   It’s just that, because of his injuries, his prime seasons aren’t very impressive.  

 

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Performance after the age of 40

 

            By the age of 41 only four of the 36 players were still in the majors—Edgar Martinez (10-13), Harold Baines (6-8), Bert Blyleven (5-9) and Tim Raines (3-2).   At age 42 we lose Edgar and Bert, but John Franco comes back, leaving us Franco (3-2), Raines (1-3) and Baines (0-5).  At age 43 it’s just Franco (3-3), and age 44, Franco (1-1).

 

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Candidate: 

Dave Parker

Rank:

13th

Mob Family Nickname:

Snake

Votes: 

89, 15.3%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

300-201, .598

Best Season:

1978, 27-3 (Pirates)

 

             Dave Parker, more than anyone else I have seen, perfectly defines the border of the Hall of Fame.    One of my Hall of Fame tests is that a Hall of Fame candidate should have either 300 career Win Shares, or be +100.   If a player doesn’t meet either of those standards, he’s not a Hall of Famer; if he meets both of them, he is.  If he meets one but not the other, we’ll negotiate. 

             I settled on these standards just because they seemed to work, and later realized why they work.   A player’s career, when you think about it, is of almost the same size, the same bulk, as a team/season.    A team/season is 486 Win Shares and Loss Shares with a modern schedule, 462 pre-expansion.    Look at these players.   Dave Parker has 501 Win and Loss Shares, Harold Baines has 504, Alan Trammell 457, Kevin Brown 477, Dale Murphy 451, Lou Whitaker 472, Roberto Alomar 487, Fred McGriff 471.

             A team consists of 25 players—thus, about 25 player/seasons--but only about 13 of those are regulars.   A full career consists of 15 to 20 seasons. It’s about the same.   A "career" is a team/season.

             Asking "Did he have 300 Win Shares" and "Was he +100", then, is the same as asking, "In his team/season, did he win the pennant?"   300 Win Shares is 100 wins.   +100 is 33 games over .500.    If you win 100 games, if you finish 33 games over .500, you’ll win the pennant.  

             It also happens that the guys you look at and say, "He’s a legitimate Hall of Famer". . .they meet these tests.   Sandy Koufax and Jackie Robinson didn’t play long enough to get to 300 Win Shares, but they were much more than 100 Win Shares over .500—thus, they won their team a pennant.   Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar meet both of these tests.   The obvious Hall of Famers meet both tests, the guys who are truly great in short careers are +100, and the guys who are able to struggle to 3,000 hits or struggle to 300 wins also get to 300 Win Shares.

             Parker is right on the edge—300 Win Shares, +99.   He straddles the fence better than anybody else I have found, probably better than anybody else in history.   I would predict that he will eventually get into the Hall of Fame.

 

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Candidate: 

Larry Walker

Rank:

12th

Mob Family Nickname:

Stun Gun

Votes: 

118, 20.3%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

266-93, .741

Best Season:

1997, 27-1 (Colorado)

 

 

             With Larry Walker we enter Group "C", the truly great players who clearly surpass the Hall of Fame standard, and who should get into the Hall of Fame fairly easily unless they present some unique problem like Pete Rose, Dick Allen or Joe Jackson.

             Walker combined power and grace as well as any baseball player of the last 30 years—a tall, graceful right fielder with a tremendous arm and a powerful bat.  He hit .313 in his career with 383 home runs—numbers comparable to Joe DiMaggio.   He has the 7th-highest OPS of any outfielder in baseball history, behind Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez, Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio, but ahead of Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb and everybody else.    He was an exceptional defensive outfielder.    He was a great player. 

 

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Candidate: 

John Olerud

Rank:

11th

Mob Family Nickname:

Rude Man

Votes:  

4, 0.7%

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

282-121, .700

Best Season:

1993, 29+2 (Toronto)

 

             John Olerud—and everyone we will see from now on—is, in my opinion, a fully qualified Hall of Fame player, unless you want to disqualify the player for steroid use or for some other reason.

             500 walks, according to the people who study this, have almost exactly the same value as 325 singles.   If John Olerud had drawn 500 fewer walks in his career but hit 325 more singles (in 325 more at bats, thus the same number of outs), he would still have had about an average number of walks, and his overall value would have been the same—but his career batting average would have been .324.

             In recent years it has been suggested that the Cy Young Award for Felix Hernandez or the Hall of Fame selection of Bert Blyleven show how far sabermetrics has come in winning general acceptance.   Well, let me suggest that the near-unanimous rejection of John Olerud shows how far we haven’t come.   If John Olerud had hit .324 in his career, I suggest, his value would have been considered self-evident, and people would think of him as a Hall of Famer.   He would have scored about 50 less runs; he would have driven in about 70 more—which would have given him six hundred-RBI seasons, rather than three.

             In my analysis, John Olerud rates as an obvious Hall of Famer.   One reason for this is that, despite playing first base all of his career, Olerud rates as a better defensive player than Marquis Grissom, who was a center fielder and won four Gold Gloves, or Roberto Alomar, who was a second baseman and won ten Gold Gloves:

 

 

Batting

Fielding

Player

Won

Lost

Pct

Won

Lost

Pct.

John Olerud

235

83

.738

47

38

.554

Marquis Grissom

170

186

.477

52

43

.546

Roberto Alomar

252

133

.654

55

46

.541

 

This is quite unusual.   The system is set up so that the values and winning percentages of second basemen and center fielders are much higher than the values and winning percentages of first basemen, and also, the system tracks with Gold Glove voting pretty well.   This raises the issue of why Olerud’s defense rates so well?

            There is no easy answer; it is just that everything is positive.   He committed 45 fewer errors in his career than a league-average first basemen.   The third basemen and shortstops on his teams were charged with 58 fewer errors than expectation (adjusted for Olerud’s playing time.)   His "arm rating", based on an estimate of the number of plays he initiated at other bases, is very good.    His teams were very good defensively, and our system assumes that if a team is good defensively, then the individuals on the team must receive credit for that.    Olerud does not rate as the equal of Keith Hernandez, but he does rank as a very, very good defensive first baseman.

 

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Player:

Lou Whitaker

Rank:

10th

Mob Family Nickname:

Nervous

Votes: 

Not Eligible/Not on Ballot

Career Win Shares and Loss Shares:

302-170, .639

Best Season:

1983, 25-8 (Detroit)

 

             One of the puzzles created by the recent Hall of Fame votes is why Alan Trammell is at 24% in the voting, although Lou Whitaker was excommunicated from the ballot after drawing only 3%.   I don’t see Trammell as being that much better than Whitaker; in fact, I see Whitaker as having had a slightly better career:

 

 

 

Offense

Defense

Total

Which

Won

Lost

Won

Lost

Won

Lost

Pct

Value

Lou Whitaker

241

127

62

43

302

170

.639

368

Alan Trammell

214

142

67

35

280

177

.613

335

 

             The first thing that comes to mind, of course, is that it could be a distinction based on race, but that seems not entirely consistent with the voting.    If it is based on race, then why is Lee Smith (184-93) far ahead in the voting of John Franco (184-51)?   If it is based on race, then why is Marquis Grissom (221-229) ahead of B. J. Surhoff (221-227)?

             There could be a difference between the value that we place on Trammell being a shortstop, as opposed to a second baseman, but my instinct is that that isn’t the real issue here, either.   Our system evaluates Trammell as being a better defensive player than Whitaker.   In order to push Trammell ahead of Whitaker, we’d have to exaggerate Trammell’s defensive performance to a heroic extent (85-17).   We’d have to make him easily the best defensive player in our system.   Trammell had chronic shoulder troubles that interfered with his ability to throw, and I think that most people understand that, while he played the critical defensive position and played it pretty well, he wasn’t Ozzie Smith.   And if the voters don’t think that defense at second base is also important, then how would we explain the 90% vote for Roberto Alomar? 

             Lou Whitaker, while he was a fine player, was a little bit of a head case; I think that’s what it comes down to.  I think Trammell’s a legitimate Hall of Famer, and I think Whitaker was a little bit better.   Whitaker, I think, is being marked down because he was (and probably still is) a space cadet.

 
 

COMMENTS (10 Comments, most recent shown first)

bjames
Sorry; the spacing of the chart didn't hold up. Trammell is to the left (won, lost, Winning Percentage, Win Shares Value), and Whitaker is to the right.
4:03 AM Jan 20th
 
bjames
This chart, which I should have run with the article, compares Trammell and Whitaker year by year, highlighting the advantage each year. In terms of a running total, Whitaker was always ahead except for the years 1987-1990.
Trammell Whitaker
Year Won Lost W Pct Value Won Lost W Pct Value
1977 0 2 .162 0 0 2 .151 0
1978 15 11 .585 18 19 9 .672 24
1979 13 14 .474 12 18 7 .728 24
1980 18 13 .591 21 12 17 .413 9
1981 14 9 .606 17 13 7 .651 16
1982 16 13 .557 18 21 10 .676 26
1983 22 5 .811 31 25 8 .752 33
1984 24 5 .831 34 21 9 .701 28
1985 17 17 .493 17 21 11 .650 26
1986 22 10 .695 28 18 14 .566 20
1987 27 3 .912 39 17 15 .539 19
1988 20 5 .790 27 15 7 .695 20
1989 12 14 .455 10 18 10 .634 22
1990 21 9 .688 26 16 11 .581 18
1991 11 10 .508 11 19 7 .733 25
1992 3 3 .497 3 16 9 .640 20
1993 15 6 .718 19 16 5 .756 21
1994 4 11 .289 1 9 7 .558 10
1995 4 8 .364 3 8 5 .598 9
1996 2 9 .158 0

4:02 AM Jan 20th
 
CharlesSaeger
How much of Whitaker's value came late in his career, when he was a platoon player? Just checking BB-Ref.com, he got about a third of his career WAR after 1989, a period of time when he was platooned. His overall numbers will be down because Lou was missing about 100 PAs, and that will keep his individual seasons from standing out, but will help his rate stats.
5:48 PM Jan 19th
 
jdw
Nine left: McGriff, Lakin, Alomar, Bagwell, Blyleven, Edgar, McGwire, Palmeiro and Raines.

A little bit of a give away in the Olerud comment that Alomar is coming very soon: rouhgly a 307-179 for a 371 WSV, with Lou just going on the board with a 368 WSV. From a earlier piece several years ago, Larkin is lurking around here as well.

We're likely to have several very high W% players: only Olerud (.700) and Walker (.741) have cracked .700. Mac, Bagwell and Edgar would be three. Rafey has a higher OPS+ than Olerud, though less OBP driven.

It's hard to see how Rafey doesn't rank #1 in WSV unless Bert pips him. A four point higher OPS+ than Olerud but 3000 more PA. He spots Bagwell 17 points of OPS+, but has 2500 more PA. Nearly 4400 more PA than Mac.

For reference, Baines is still on the board with a 120 OPS+, very little defensive value, and 11092 PA. Rafey had a 132 OPS+, likely a positive marginal defensive value (which wouldn't be small versus Baines), and 12046 PA. That's a mountain to climb.

Looking at the 3B tourney:

Chipper: 142 OPS+ / 9654 PA
Brooks: 104 OPS+ / 11782 PA

WSV: Chipper 450-418 Brooks

115-36 vs 49-47 defensive gap kept it close.

2128 PA gap between the two, which is less than Rafey-Bagwell. But a 149 vs 132 OPS+ gap is small compared to a 142-104 gap.

Baggy's OPS+ is more OBP driven than Rafey's, so it should be a pretty lusty W%. But enough to overcome 2500+ PA. Baines-Olerud is a 2029 PA advantage for Baines, an 8 point OPS+ advantage for Olerud, and one would think a marginal defensive advantage. And Baines is still on the board.

Part 4 will be pretty interesting. :)
4:18 PM Jan 19th
 
jdw
On Olerud, I wouldn't read the rejection of him as a sign of how far we haven't come. The problem with Olerud is that there wasn't a strong saber movement in the past five years to get across the quality of his play. I think I've seen several pieces by Bill over the years saying positive things about Mattingly's candidacy.

If he saber community wants to see a positive impact on the voting, they need to get out behind the "underrated" candidates in those five years leading to the first time they're on the ballot. Those players need to get 5% to stay around. Someone like Donnie always was going to get 5%, while Hernandez and Olerud, much like Grich and Whitaker, were always at risk of throwing up a airball.

The other problem is that there are few saber people who have a big enough soapbox to get the more saber-minded of the voters to slow down and consider people like Olerud. Bill... perhaps Rob... I don't think BP has gotten iconic enough where there's a clear single voice out of it that could have banged the drum for Olerud over the past few years to get him up above 5%.

It is sad that the 10th best player on the ballot didn't draw 5%. The worry should be that not only didn't the voters think he was among the 10 best, but there was no strong voice pushing him as that which would get the voters attention.

Perhaps that the true sign of how far we've come: after 30 years, there remains only one strong saber voice that could possibly turn a 0.7% into a 5.0%+ vote total and buy more time for people to consider Olerud. It's not Bill's role in life to bang the drum on stuff like this, but it's sad that we don't have several people where any one of them advocating candidates would get at least some of the voters to consider underrated candidates.

We will have come far when there's someone like Bill being among the regulars on Baseball Tonight in addition to Kruk, Tim K, and all the rest of the retired players, managers, and the writes. We've seen a slight amount of it in college football where McShay has carved a regular role out of what once was just The Next Mel Kipper role, with ESPN wanting to push someone as the face of Scouts Inc. On the baseball side, we're not close to that. Law pops up a bit, but largely due to being a former insider rather than due to the BP background. His role, though, his rather minor on the major shows.
3:24 PM Jan 19th
 
jdw
I think Rusty is correct in the Hey Bill section:

400+ AB Seasons
7 .300+ BA - Trammell
1 .300+ BA - Lou

Career BA
.285 Trammell
.276 Lou

That's consident with their playing days:

MVP Voting
1980: .300 Alan (20th)
1983: .320 Lou (8th)
1983: .319 Alan (15th)
1984: .314 Alan (9th)
1987: .343 Alan (2nd)
1988: .311 Alan (7th)
1990: .304 Alan (19th)
1993: .329 Alan (no votes)

Those are the years they hit .300. They always drew MVP votes when it happened, with the exception of 1993. That was a partial season for Alan: just 112 games and 447 PA. If he played 145+ games, he would have drawn votes that season.

The only season that either of them drew MVP votes while hitting below .300 was 1981 when Alan hit .258 with very poor overall numbers. He got 4 points, which strikes me as a single Goof Vote from a local member of the media placing far too high on the ballot. Kemp got 3 points as well, and didn't put up numbers one would typically think of as MVP, even in a strike shortened season.

Anyway, these guys at the time got run by the national media when they hit .300. Lou hit the ballot in 2001, at a time when a lot of that type of thinking had not washed out of the HOF Voter Pool.
2:44 PM Jan 19th
 
evanecurb
A guy forgets to bring his uniform to the All star game a few times, misses 20 games a year for various reasons, and he's a space cadet?

I think Olerud suffers from the Johnny Mize problem more than Johnny Mize did.
10:37 AM Jan 19th
 
instersting
I guess the quicker way of saying that is that Trammell's peak happened when the national spotlight was on the Tigers. Whitaker's did not.
10:31 AM Jan 19th
 
instersting
In Detroit, people I talk to seem to really remember Trammell's outstanding 1987 season more vividly than Whitaker's more solid career. Whitaker's best seasons (1983 and 1991) came before and after the Tigers' dominant period; Trammell's best seasons(1984 and 1987) are more memorable to Tiger fans for obvious reasons, along with the World Series MVP, etc. Could be a reason for the discrepancy (not that I am defending it in any way!)
10:09 AM Jan 19th
 
BringBackTriandos
The problem with Olerud is that he didn't know how to showboat (though there was that time when he flashed a faint smile after hitting a three-run, 11th inning, game-winning home run). The Jays used to often replace him for defensive purposes in the late innings when he was a very good defensive first baseman. He just didn't look it. Meanwhile, to his right, Alomar never saw a ground ball he couldn't dive for.
9:34 AM Jan 19th
 
 
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