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The Next Blyleven (?)

February 22, 2011
 
Three pitchers:
 

 

Pitcher A
A
Pitcher B
B
 Pitcher C
C
W-L
ERA
W-L
ERA
W-L
ERA
22-9
2.40
13-20
3.90
14-15
3.00
7-12
3.27
16-13
3.22
13-12
4.30
23-11
2.09
15-14
3.56
11-17
3.73
22-13
2.51
20-7
3.13
14-12
3.46
20-11
2.91
23-10
2.64
20-10
2.79
21-12
2.46
16-13
2.84
14-15
3.41
10-6
3.30
18-11
3.62
18-12
3.62
16-10
3.98
24-9
2.34
11-13
3.40
141-84
2.76
145-97
3.15
115-106
3.46

 

 
These are concurrent seasons….when Pitcher A went 22-9, Pitcher B went 13-20, and Pitcher C went 14-15.
 
Looking at them individually...Pitcher A had five 20-win seasons. We could say that those were Cy Young seasons, years when he probably would’ve contended for the award. He did contend for that award: these guys are modern pitchers, players you know. I’m sure half of you know who Pitcher A is, just based on the wins and losses.
 
Pitcher B had three 20-win seasons and a 20-loss season. Over these eight seasons, Pitcher B is more up-and-down than Pitcher A. Both pitchers have comparable cumulative records over the eight seasons listed here, but Pitcher B had higher highs and lower lows.
 
(Just an aside: I would’ve liked to list strikeouts and innings pitched, but they wouldn’t fit on the table. And yes…we’ll get to the advanced metrics soon.)
 
Pitcher C…in the eight seasons listed above, Pitcher C never bested Pitcher A and B in wins. Sometimes he had more wins than one or the other, but he never won more games than both of the others. The same thing is true with Earned Run Average…Pitcher C never topped A and B in ERA. He had one 20-win season and an 18-win season: Pitcher C isn’t a bad pitcher, but by these measures, he’s not on par with pitchers A and B.
 
That was the belief at the time and that is the belief today: nobody really thinks Pitcher C is better than Pitchers A or B.
 
But…(wait for it)…what if he was?
 
Using baseballreference.com’s Wins Above Replacement (WAR):
 

 

Year
Pitcher A
Pitcher B
Pitcher C
1973
6.1
2.3
5.5
1974
1.2
4.5
3.8
1975
7.6
2.3
3.6
1976
6.4
3.7
4.6
1977
7.9
5.8
8.7
1978
6.1
2.8
5.4
1979
1.8
2.6
5.2
1980
1.7
9.4
5.5
Total
38.8
33.4
42.3

 

 
We’ve thrown in the years…1973 through 1980. A WAR higher than 5.0 suggests an All-Star Level season. Pitcher A had five All-Star level seasons. So did Pitcher C. Pitcher B had just two All-Star seasons.
 
Most significantly, Pitcher C has a higher cumulative WAR over these eight seasons. Additionally, Pitcher C is never the worst pitcher of the three…he leads the trio in WAR just twice, but he is never the worst of the group. 
 
The worst player of the trio, according to WAR, is Pitcher B….the roller-coaster pitcher. Pitcher B had the best individual season (1980, WAR of 9.4), but he has the lowest cumulative WAR of the group.
 
Another metric: Fangraphs’ Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP), which measures the things a pitcher can control (walks, strikeouts, homers), while ignoring the things he can’t:
 

 

Year
Pitcher A
Pitcher B
Pitcher C
1973
3.38
3.52
2.82
1974
3.72
3.32
3.33
1975
2.96
3.55
3.16
1976
3.32
2.93
3.19
1977
3.47
3.47
3.03
1978
3.48
3.66
3.22
1979
3.70
3.45
3.62
1980
4.32
2.42
3.25

 

 
Here is where Pitcher A trips up: he leads the group in FIP just once, in 1975. He posts the worst FIP of the trio five times. By this metric, he is the worst of the group.
 
Pitcher B posted the worst FIP of the trio four times (there was a tie for the worst FIP in 1977).
 
As for Pitcher C….Pitcher C never posted the worst FIP. He led the trio in FIP three times, and was second the other five seasons.
 
Well…we’ve gone on as long as I can sustain this. It’s time for the (not so big) reveal:
 
Pitcher A is Jim Palmer. Palmer won three Cy Young Awards (all during the seasons listed above). He was elected to the Hall of Fame as soon as he was eligible.
 
Pitcher B is Steve Carlton, who won four Cy Young Awards (two during the seasons listed above). He was elected to the Hall of Fame as soon as he was eligible.
 
Pitcher C is Rick Reuschel, who never won a Cy Young, and received exactly two votes from the 473 writers who casts ballots for the Hall of Fame.
 
The Success of Blyleven
 
Bert Blyleven was going to make it. The Hall of Fame, I mean. There was too much to ignore: 287 wins, 3701 strikeouts, 60 shutouts….sooner or later he would’ve gotten his plaque.  
 
That said, it is fair to say that Bert Blyleven’s election to the Hall of Fame was significantly aided by a) the persuasive writings of Rich Leader at Baseball Analysts, and other contributors in the baseball blogosphere, and b) a) the increased acceptance of non-traditional metrics for evaluating players. Blyleven’s election to the Hall of Fame is a success: it means we’re gaining ground.
 
Bill, in one of his article about this year’s Hall of Fame ballot, clarifies that we still have a long way to go:
 
"In recent years it has been suggested that the Cy Young Award for Felix Hernandez or the Hall of Fame selection of Bert Blyleven show how far sabermetrics has come in winning general acceptance.   Well, let me suggest that the near-unanimous rejection of John Olerud shows how far we haven’t come."
 
He’s right. Blyleven does not prove that sabermetrics have gained general acceptance. Blyleven was elected on the basis of those statistics I listed above: 287 wins, 3701 strikeouts, 60 shutouts. Those aren’t new statistics…Blyleven does well by advanced metrics, too, but his lifetime WAR or ERA+ or Win Shares will not be mentioned on his Cooperstown plaque.  
 
So: what pitcher’s election to the Hall of Fame would signify that sabermetrics have won general acceptance? What pitcher best represents the divide between traditional statistics and our newer, fancier ones? Who is going to be the new test-case, the new Blyleven?
 
I think Rick Reuschel is a good choice.
 
The (Great) Reuschel
 
Rick Reuschel wasn’t famous until he was too old for it to matter.
 
It’s a truth in baseball that you are remembered most for what you did as a young player. Jim Rice was a star at a young age, so people remember him as a star. People talk about the ‘Gold Dust Twins’ and that broken bat on the checked swing and the MVP in 1978. He is referenced in the stories of Andre Dubus and is a member of the Hall of Fame. He was a star as a young player, and people remember him that way. 
 
It’s true in baseball and it’s true in life: you never get a second chance on that first impression. Jim Rice’s first impression was very good.
 
Dwight Evans played on the same team as Rice, over the same seasons, and Dwight Evans has very comparable numbers. But Dwight Evans wasn’t a great player until he was older…as a young player he was an all-field, no-hit guy. His peak was every bit as good as Rice’s, but it happened later, after his reputation was established.
 
Ozzie Smith is another one… no one ever really noticed how good of a hitter he became, because he was all-glove, no-hit at the beginning. No one ever wrote about Ozzie Smith, the hitter. Well…almost no one did.
 
Rafael Palmeiro…Raffy was a Mark Grace-type hitter early in his career, and then he started hitting scads of homeruns in 1993. Only eleven hitters in history have hit more homeruns than Palmeiro, but no one ever thought of his as a homerun hitter. It’s tough to change that first impression.
 
Rick Reuschel had an up-and-down career. He reached the major leagues in 1972, as a 23-yaer old pitcher. He did very well as a rookie: 2.93 ERA in 129 innings pitched. He didn’t blow batters away: his strikeout ratio was 6.0 per nine innings, but he didn’t walk too many guys either.
 
The Cubs won 85 games in 1972, finishing in second place. They were a good team…but they were an old team. They had the oldest batters in the league by a wide margin (the average age of a hitter was 29.9 years old), and their pitchers average age was second to the Dodgers.
 
Well, age caught up with them. The Cubs fell to fifth place in 1973, and then all the way to the cellar in 1974. The team would not get above .500 until 1984.
 
For most of those dark days, Reuschel was the most valuable player on the team. He followed his rookie year with a full season of work, posting a terrific 3.00 ERA and a record of 14-15. He followed that year with seasonal records of 13-12, 11-17, and 14-12. Those are not great records, but Reuschel led the team in Wins Above Replacement.
 
Rick Reuschel won 20 games in 1977, for a Cubs team that surprised everyone by contending through the summer. It was a great year, but a lot of pitchers were winning 20 games in those seasons, so it didn’t stand out as boldly as it might have in later years. Reuschel finished third in the Cy Young vote, which went to Steve Carlton.
 
The impression of Reuschel was this: a pretty good pitcher, an innings-eater who can be good (20 wins in 1977, 18 in 1979), or bad (17 losses in 1975, 15 losses in 1978).
 
Aesthetically, there was little that Reuschel added to that impression. He did not have the blazing fastball and the cocky show-‘em attitude of Ryan. He wasn’t handsome like Palmer or Seaver…he looked like a bowler; he looked like he belonged in a bowling league. He wasn’t an interesting interview. He liked crosswords. He was a reader.
 
Reuschel followed his big 20-win season with a 14-15 record in 1978. He won 18 games in 1979 and then he fell off the radar. Arm injuries led to Reuschel bouncing around for much of the early 1980’s. He was dropped by the Cubs mid-way through 1981, and signed with the Yankees, going 8-11 between the two teams. He then missed all of 1982 with rotator cuff surgery. Most people didn’t think he’d come back.
 
He did come back, resigning with the Cubs in 1983. Reuschel made four starts for the Young Bears, going 1-1 with an ERA a bit under 4.00. The next year he started and relieved: 92 inning pitched and an abysmal 5.17 ERA. The Cubs went to the postseason in 1984, but he didn’t go with them: he was left off the roster. It was widely believed that his career was finished.
 
A free agent, Reuschel signed with a Pittsburgh Pirates team that had gone 75-87 in 1984. The Pirates went from bad to really, catastrophically bad, posting a 57-104 record on the season. Reuschel was the solitary bright spot on the team, posting a stunning 14-8 record with a 2.27 ERA.
 
Reuschel was selected as the Comeback Player of the Year, and it wasn’t a particularly close vote. Then he went 9-16 the following year and had to give it back.
 
The last chapter of Reuschel’s career happened in San Francisco…it was the last chapter and it was the brightest. After a career spent on very lousy teams, Reuschel thrived with the talent-rich Giants, posting back-to-back records of 19-11 and 17-9 in 1988 and 1989, and helping the Giants make it to the Earthquake World Series of 1989.

One highlight of his San Francisco years was Reuschel’s selection as the starter of the 1989 All-Star Game. He was forty years old then, and the third-oldest player in baseball. Going against script, the first two batters for the American League (Bo Jackson and Wade Boggs) homered off Reuschel Unfazed, the sinkerball pitcher induced groundballs from the next four batters he faced.
 
Reuschel retired with a career record of 214-191. That’s a fine career, but does not seem like a Hall-of-Fame career. Joe Niekro had a career record of 220-203. Jerry Koosman was 222-209…the common perception is that Reuschel was like those guys: a good, solid pitcher, who had a long career. He was never thought of as one of the great pitchers….he never won a Cy Young or led the league in ERA or strikeouts. His star wasn’t as bright as the stars of Seaver or Palmer or Carlton or Ryan or Jenkins, never mind Catfish Hunter or J.R. Richards or Ron Guidry.
 
But…in his prime, Reuschel was every bit as good as those players. The contexts around him blurred that reality, but it is absolutely true.
 
Does My Insurance Cover (Context) Lenses?
 
Let me give you the most remarkable fact about Rick Reuschel that I found: during his twelve years as a member of the Chicago Cubs, Reuschel allowed 0.5 home runs per nine innings pitched.
 
0.5.
 
Just putting that into perspective: Francisco Liriano had the lowest homerun ratio in the majors last year, at 0.4. He did this while making half his starts in a ballpark that saw 30% fewer homeruns than the major league average. And: Liriano posted his ratio during a year of declining offenses.
 
Rick Reuschel, pitching half his games in one of the two best hitters’ park in the National League, posted the same homerun ratio as Liriano posted in 2010…except Reuschel did it for twelve seasons.
 
Here are the park effects for Wrigley, 1972-1984:
 

 

Year
Pitching Park Effects
1972
113
1973
108
1974
103
1975
104
1976
111
1977
114
1978
110
1979
112
1980
109
1981
106
1982
102
1984
108

 

 
If we were to classify pitchers by their approach to hitters, Reuschel would perhaps belong in the Tim Hudson family: he didn’t have a great fastball, so he focused on upsetting a hitters timing. He once said that the harder a batter swung, the slower he’d throw. He was a groundball pitcher who a) didn’t walk batters, and b) did not give up homeruns.
 
A pitcher like Reuschel relies on defense: one of the reasons that Reuschel is so underrated is because he had the misfortune of playing his prime years for the Chicago Cubs. I mentioned earlier that they were an old team…well; the Cubs were also a terrible defensive team. Defensive Efficiency measures the percentage of balls in play that a team converts to outs. Here’s where the Cubs ranked in terms of defensive efficiency during Reuschel’s years in Wrigley:
 

 

Year
Cubs Ranking, Def. Eff.
1973
Last
1974
Last
1975
Last
1976
9th
1977
9th
1978
10th
1979
Last
1980
Last
1981
Last
1982
8th
1983
11th
1984
10th

 

 
This was a twelve-team league...for most of his career, Reuschel pitched in front of the worst defense in baseball. Even when they weren’t the worst, they were nearly the worst: they finished a lofty 9th in 1976, but that was just one-one-thousandth away from last place. In 1978 they finished 10th, but they were .002 away from the bottom of the pile.
 
So Reuschel, a great contact pitcher, had the misfortune to spend his peak years a) in one of the best hitters’ parks in baseball, b) in front of the worst defense in the league, and c) on a loser team that couldn’t win games for him.
 
Should Rick Reuschel be in the Hall of Fame?
 
Reuschel, during his career, tallied a career pitching WAR of 66.3, which ranks him 30th among major league pitchers. Here’s a snapshot of his listing, along with the guys just ahead and behind him:
 

 

Rank
Name
Career Pitching WAR
28
Curt Schilling
69.7
29
Tom Glavine
67
30
Rick Reuschel
66.3
31
Bob Feller
66
32
Don Drysdale
65.7

 

 
Bob Feller and Don Drysdale are in the Hall of Fame, and very few people would argue that they shouldn’t be there. Glavine and Schilling will both make the Hall someday, and they will also be deserving candidates.
 
Reuschel, according to Pitching WAR, is right with ‘em. He ranks ahead of Hubbell and Marichal and Bunning and Dazzy Vance and Hal Newhouser and Sandy Koufax.
 
I don’t think that Reuschel is better than any of those players…but right now he’s not in the discussion. He should be.
 
Looking at career Fielding Independent Pitching (minimum of 3000 innings pitched):
 

 

Rank
Name
Career FIP
t-38
Randy Johnson
3.19
t-38
Bert Blyleven
3.19
40
Mickey Lolich
3.2p
t-41
Jim Bunning
3.22
t-41
Rick Reuschel
3.22
43
Curt Schilling
3.23
44
Don Sutton
3.24

 

 
Reuschel ranks tied for 41st all-time, with Hall of Famer Jim Bunning. Again, Curt Schilling comes up as a comparable.
 
I should say that Reuschel does not do well according to Win Shares. At the start of this article, I listed the 1973-1980 seasons of Palmer, Carlton, and Reuschel, showing their W-L records, ERA, WAR, and FIP. Here are the Win Shares tallies for the three men:
 

 

Year
Palmer
Carlton
Reuschel
1973
27.7
14.2
19.6
1974
9.0
22.3
11.6
1975
31.3
14.2
14.3
1976
27.3
17.8
19.2
1977
28.7
26.4
26.1
1978
26.6
20.1
18.2
1979
11.6
18.1
17.0
1980
11.9
28.6
15.2
174.1
161.7
141.2

 

 
Palmer, the winner of three Cy Young awards, comes out well ahead of Reuschel, as does Steve Carlton. I don’t have the Win Shares/Loss Shares data for the three men, but I suspect that Reuschel would not do as well as Carlton and Palmer.
 
I don’t know if Reuschel is a Hall of Famer. Measured by the old standards, by wins and losses and earned run average and Cy Young Awards and 20-win seasons, Big Daddy isn’t a Hall of Famer. But he does do surprisingly well when measured by some of the newer metrics. If those metrics start to make headway into the general public, we’ll be hearing a lot more about Rick Reuschel.
 

Dave Fleming is a writer living in Wellington, New Zealand. He welcomes comments, questions, and suggestions here and at dfleming1986@yahoo.com. He would like to pass along his thoughts and best wishes to the city of Christchurch.

 
 

COMMENTS (19 Comments, most recent shown first)

chisox
Of course Ty Cobb and Rick Reuschle were the same person because they both would have knocked the bat down. Of course Honus Wagner had no burning desire to compete and win because he would have picked up the bat and said thanks. And you have no desire to get in the last word; no competitive juices flowing there.
8:16 PM Mar 1st
 
Richie
Ty Cobb would've also knocked the bat down, then picked it up. Honus Wagner, on the other hand, would've given a quick and simple 'thanks' and gotten back to work like a regular adult. Personally, I vote for honest competition over "This is W-A-R!!!growlgrrrsnap!"
7:32 PM Mar 1st
 
chisox
Thanks for the article--I absolutely loved Big Daddy. The best thing about him was how intense a competitor he was. I recall watching one game where after he hit a foul ball and ran down to first the catcher for the other team thought he would be nice so he picked up Reuschle's bat and stood it up in the dirt (the barrel had a scooped out end ). When Reuschle got back to the plate he looked at the catcher, kicked the bat down, then bent over to pick it up. He wouldn't take a thing from the other team--even in the middle of another lousy game for a crappy team in a meaningless season.

It means nothing for HOF eligibility but says a lot about the ballplayer.
3:57 PM Mar 1st
 
DaveFleming
Sorry....that's directed to (Ben), not (Bob). Maybe we'll be able to edit these comments in the future.
5:03 PM Feb 28th
 
DaveFleming
Right...tiptoeing around Carlton...

I started at 1973 for two reasons...1) 1973 was Reuschel's first full season, and 2) if I listed Carlton's 27-win season, EVERYONE would've known it was Carlton. 27-10, 1.97 ERA....everyone would've known who it was.

Of course it was obfuscating...that was the point. That was supposed to be part of the fun...that NOT know. It's why we read mysteries, why we listen to stories: because we don't know what will happen. Three pitchers...I'm giving you clues but I'm not giving you the names. You'll have to find out.

You (Bob) contend I should've put in 1972...let's consider how that would've changed the opening of the article. It would NOT have changed any conclusions. Palmer and Carlton would've still looked significantly better than Resuchel by W-L record and ERA. And Resuchel would still be ahead on FIP and WAR. None of that would've changed...the difference in W-L/ERA would seem more drastically different, while the difference in FIP/WAR would seem less drastically different. But...no actual conclusions would be any different.

The only difference is you would know EXACTLY who Pitchers A and B were. You'd know....it wouldn't be a surprise. The conclusion would be the same, but you'd have all of the knowledge up front.

And: it would be a helluva lot more boring. If I had started with the sentence: "Rick Reuschel was every bit as good as Jim Palmer and Steve Carlton in the years 1972-1980," wouldn't that be significantly LESS interesting? There is no mystery to a flat statement like that. There is no pull of the reader into the discussion...it's just a thesis. Most people don't want to read flat statements. I don't want to write them, frankly.

As the writer: I get to make the choice, and on this one I chose to obfuscate. I chose to keep a few names hidden for as long I could. For the thirty seconds it took to read the first section, I pulled a fast one on you. I didn't have to: I wanted to.

And: I'll add that life is sometimes a little richer when you DON'T know everything; when stuff is kept hidden. It's a richer experience to occasionally NOT know something, to occasionally be in the dark. At least I think so.
5:02 PM Feb 28th
 
benhurwitz
As a young fan, I always felt a bit of animosity toward Carlton, but I have to say I find it ridiculous that you conveniently start your comparison years at 1973, tiptoeing around Carlton's big 1972 year (27-10, 1.97 ERA). Palmer '72? 21-10, 2.07. The blatant cherry-picking really dents your argument.
1:06 PM Feb 28th
 
evanecurb
If Big Daddy ever makes it, you're going to have to push it the same way that Rich Lederer did for Blyleven, only much, much harder. I guess it could be done. With Chuck on your side, anything is possible. I think we can all agree that Reuschel would have been a perennial all star and probably Cy Young winner had he pitched for one of the eight "super teams" of the seventies and early eighties. My favorite thing about him was what a superb athlete he was in spite of his build: he could hit, run, field the position. Fernando Valenzuela was like that. Sort of the Billy Kilmer of baseball.
11:30 PM Feb 27th
 
chuck
In Bob's list, if you look at win shares per 200 innings in Reuschel's group it looks like this (not including the two relievers):
14.5 Stieb
13.6 Blyleven
13.5 Reuschel
13.4 Hershiser
12.3 Hough
12.1 Blue
11.8 Morris
11.7 D.Martinez
11.5 Tanana
Looked at in this way, Reuschel's value in terms of win shares per 200 innings is right there with Blyleven's. Just a lot less innings. Stieb comes off looking really good by this- much more so than Morris.

Bob's point still about the middle group stands, as among the pitchers from the most recent group, 10 pitchers were better than 14 win shares per 200 ip, while in the middle group only Stieb was that high among the starters.
2:37 AM Feb 26th
 
DaveFleming
Bob's list (the latest one) really shows the vast difference between WAR's appoximation of Reuschel's value, and Win Shares' measure of his career. Among the pitchers born from 1948-1959, he ranks second to Blyleven in WAR, and is well ahead of the pack. But he's fourth in Win Shares, behind Blyleven, Eck, and Tanana, and not drastically better than Hough or Dennis Martinez.
1:05 AM Feb 26th
 
rgregory1956
Wow! those columns look nothing like I intended! I'll redo the lists, ranking the players by Win Shares, but I'll also include WAR:

1936-1947
388 109.3 Tom Seaver
374 96.8 Phil Niekro
369 96.3 Gaylord Perry
366 84.4 Steve Carlton
334 84.8 Nolan Ryan
323 81.3 Fergie Jenkins
319 70.8 Don Sutton
312 63.5 Jim Palmer
289 59.0 Tommy John
268 41.2 Jim Kaat
263 64.0 Juan Marichal
258 65.7 Don Drysdale
256 60.1 Luis Tiant
240 58.8 Jerry Koosman
224 45.6 Mickey Lolich
210 45.3 Milt Pappas
206 32.5 Jim Hunter
201 39.8 Claude Osteen


1948-1959
339 90.1 Bert Blyleven
301 58.7 Dennis Eckersley
241 55.1 Frank Tanana
240 66.3 Rick Reuschel
233 37.5 Charlie Hough
233 46.9 Dennis Martinez
225 39.3 Jack Morris
223 40.0 Goose Gossage
210 51.5 Orel Hershiser
210 53.0 Dave Stieb
202 43.8 Vida Blue

1960-1971
437 128.4 Roger Clemens
398 96.8 Greg Maddux
326 96.8 Randy Johnson
314 67.0 Tom Glavine
289 63.9 John Smoltz
270 74.8 Mike Mussina
256 75.9 Pedro Martinez
252 69.7 Curt Schilling
242 64.8 Kevin Brown
214 55.0 Chuck Finley
210 50.7 David Wells
206 46.7 Kenny Rogers
205 57.5 David Cone
8:03 AM Feb 25th
 
rgregory1956
I've been racking my brain for years on something; maybe you folks have some insight. Here are three lists, pitchers born within a 12 year period with their Win Shares (minimum:200):

1936-1947 1948-1959 1960-1971
Seaver 388 Blyleven 339 Clemens 437
Niekro 374 Eckersley 301 Maddux 398
Perry 369 Tanana 241 Johnson 326
Carlton 366 Reuschel 240 Glavine 314
Ryan 334 Hough 233 Smoltz 289
Jenkines 323 Martinex 233 Mussina 270
Sutton 319 Morris 225 Martinez 256
Palmer 312 Gossage 223 Schilling 252
John 289 Hershiser 210 Brown 242
Kaat 268 Stieb 210 Finley 214
Marichal 263 Blue 202 Wells 210
Drysdale 258 Rogers 206
Tiant 256 Cone 205
Koosman 240
Lolich 224
Pappas 210
Hunter 206
Osteen 201

If I use WAR (a metric I don't particularily like) instead of Win Shares, the lists are similar, but with different orders. There are 12 pitchers from 1936-1947 with a WAR above 50, 6 from 1948-1959 and 14 from 1960-1971. If I use a 66.3 cut-off (Reuschel's WAR), there are 7 from 1936-1947, 2 from 1948-1959 and 7 from 1960-1971.

Can anyone explain to me why there were so few great pitchers born between 1948 and 1959?
12:40 AM Feb 25th
 
Richie
Very good stuff, Dave. Thanks!

One quibble. Lotsa people have questioned Drysdale's qualifications for the Hall of Fame.

One question. Defensive Efficiency can be very park-sensitive, I've thought. What was the typical road DER of those Cubs teams vis-a-vis other NL teams?
7:22 PM Feb 24th
 
jdw
It would be interesting to know why Rick's Win Shares in the years focused on don't do as well as Carlton and Palmer. You would think that if it were a function of IP that it would also be reflected in the WAR.
6:57 PM Feb 24th
 
izzy24
Loved the article. While I agree that for the most part Big Daddy was very unlucky, I have found some evidence that he was lucky as well.
Throughout his career Reuschel left a total of 318 runners on base after he came out of the game. Only 102 of those runners scored when the bullpen came in (32%).
By comparison, Catfish Hunter left a total of 269 runners on base and 109 of those came around to score after he left (40.5%). If Reuschel's bullpen had been as bad as Hunter's Reuschel would have given up approximately 26 more runs in his career. I have no idea if Hunter's number is high or Reuschel's number is exceptionally low, I just thought it was something of interest.
7:23 PM Feb 23rd
 
chuck
For the hell of it, here is that list of pitchers again, this time with their hitting wins above replacement added in. Drysdale, Gibson, Carlton, Kaat, Garver, and Hunter get boosts up; Friend, Koufax, Koosman, and Perry move down.

Close to Reuschel here is Whitey Ford, and I haven't found any pitcher that got better support from his offense and defense than Ford. Marichal is close, too, and he also got terrific offensive support.

Ned Garver is in mighty fine company, for a pitcher with a 129-157 won-loss record.

wins above replacement per 200 innings pitched:
5.24 Clemens
5.21 Pedro
4.8 Gibson
4.5 Seaver
4.3 R.Johnson
4.3 Koufax
4.2 Mussina
4.2 Schilling
4.1 Drysdale
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3.9 K.Brown
3.9 Maddux
3.8 Smoltz
3.8 REUSCHEL
3.7 Marichal
3.6 Ford
3.6 Blyleven
3.5 Niekro
3.5 Tiant
3.5 Perry
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3.4 Carlton
3.3 Glavine
3.3 Pettitte
3.2 Palmer
3.2 Garver
3.1 Ryan
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2.8 Koosman
2.7 Pappas
2.6 Tanana
2.6 Sutton
2.5 Lolich
2.5 John
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2.4 Friend
2.3 Moyer
2.1 Hunter
2.1 Morris
2.0 Kaat
1.6 McNally




4:51 PM Feb 23rd
 
DaveFleming
Awesome stuff, Chuck. I remember (I think) that Palmer never allowed a grand slam in his career. Palmer raising his K-rate (by 33%!) in runners-on situations is fascinating.

I think the WAR/200 IP table is nice: Reuschel is about on par with Drysdale and Smoltz. Thanks for writing.
3:07 PM Feb 23rd
 
SkeptiSys
I guessed the pitchers based on their w-l as soon as you said concurrent. Anyone else spend too much time reading baseball stats as a kid?
Reuschel's career is very comparable to Bunning's, but unfairly tall clean cut people do better in voting than um 'chubby-americans'.
2:38 PM Feb 23rd
 
chuck
Here are some pitchers ranked by wins above replacement per 200 innings pitched. My take is that a HOF level is around 3.00 or above, but of course it does matter how many of those great (5.0+) seasons a guy has, too.
5.37 Pedro
5.22 Clemens
4.69 Koufax
4.44 R.Johnson
4.41 Gibson
4.40 Seaver
4.27 Schilling
4.20 Mussina
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3.98 K.Brown
3.87 Maddux
3.83 Drysdale
3.74 REUSCHEL
3.68 Smoltz
3.65 Marichal
3.63 Blyleven
3.60 G.Perry
3.58 P.Niekro
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3.49 Ford
3.45 Tiant
3.29 Pettitte
3.24 Carlton
3.22 Palmer
3.15 Ryan
3.06 Koosman
3.04 Glavine
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2.89 Garver
2.84 Pappas
2.71 Friend
2.68 Sutton
2.64 Tanana
2.51 Lolich
2.51 John
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2.35 Moyer
2.06 Morris
1.88 Hunter
1.82 Kaat
1.58 McNally
2:34 PM Feb 23rd
 
chuck
Dave, thanks for bringing up Big Daddy and keeping him in the public eye. He deserves to be remembered much better than his record implies.
I did a series of posts recently on pitchers, trying to estimate what their win-loss records might look like had they had average offenses and defenses behind them. Next to Ned Garver, Reuschel was the unluckiest pitcher I found. Not only were his defenses abysmal, but his offenses scored by my estimate 111 runs below what a league-average offense would have scored in his starts. With an average offense and defense, I estimated his record would have been 220-177 (.554) as a starter. It may not be HOF level, but it's much closer to it than his actual .523 winning pct as a starter.

Not only was Reuschel great at not allowing homers, his rate of giving them up was less with runners in scoring position and in high leverage situations. While not known for strikeouts, when he had runners in scoring position and in high leverage situations his strikeout rate rose considerably- by 22% with RISP.

Another pitcher who was able to do this- lower homers, raise strikeouts- in both those situations was Blyleven, by the way.

And yet another was Palmer. In fact, I haven't found any pitcher that raised his K rate in those situations more extremely than did Palmer. His strikeout rate with runners in scoring position was 33% higher than in non-RISP situations.

It was appropriate that you chose Palmer in your piece. Palmer was a parallel-universe Rick Reuschel. He had everything working for him: great defense and run support. I estimate that Palmer had offenses 146 runs above league average over his career, in his starts. With an average offenses and defenses, I estimated Palmer would have had a record closer to 240-170 (.585) in his starts, instead of 262-148 (.639).

Carlton also received offensive support well above average in his career, though I believe his defenses were close to neutral, taken as a whole.

Another pitcher close to Reuschel, also passed over for the Hall, is Luis Tiant. Reuschel has 6.2 more pitching wins above replacement, in just 62 more innings pitched. Tiant has the better winning percentage, both actual and in my estimates with average offensive and defensive support. He also had much better support in both areas than did Reuschel.
2:19 PM Feb 23rd
 
 
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