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March 23, 2012

            In "Hey, Bill" we wandered into a discussion about Comeback Players of the Year. . .don’t ask me how.    Anyway, desiring to take these petty and meaningless issues seriously, because what other excuse do I have for taking up space, I made up a formula to decide who should be the Comeback Player and Comeback Pitcher of the Year.

                No, I love this stuff; this is what I live to do.  Comeback equals Decline Times Recovery.  My formula is based on Season Scores.   Let’s take, f’rinstance, Bret Saberhagen in 1998.   Saberhagen, as many of you will remember, had once been a great pitcher, winning Cy Young Awards in 1985 and 1989 and also being a serious Cy Young candidate in two other seasons.    In 1997 he appeared to be finished, winning no games that year (0-1)—and also none in 1996 and only two in 1995.   In 1998, with the Red Sox, Saberhagen made 31 starts and went 15-8 with a 3.98 ERA, which was a pretty good ERA in Fenway Park in the middle of all that steroid stuff.

                Saberhagen’s season score in 1998 was 152, which is nothing compared to his best season, 1989, when his season score was 369.  However, since his season score in 1997 was minus eleven, 152 was an improvement of 163 points.   Since his best season was 369, his 1997 season was 380 points off his career peak.  We multiply the 380 (decline) times the 163 (recovery), that would be 61,940.   If you save a few more decimals somewhere, it works out to 61,737. 

                61,737 is a big score in the comeback world, and—you probably guessed—it makes Bret Saberhagen the Comeback Pitcher of the Year for 1998.   But coincidentally, somebody volunteered that he didn’t know who had the biggest comeback in baseball history, but he was pretty sure that Rico Carty had the most comebacks.   Well. . ..Saberhagen is on that list.   Saberhagen would finish third in the Comeback-Pitcher-of-the-Year competition in 1987, second in 1989, fourth in 1991, second in 1994, and first in 1998.  That’s five comebacks.  I gave each pitcher two points for finishing 5th in the Comeback Pitcher competition, three points for 4th, four points for 3rd, five points for 2nd, and six points for finishing 1st.  In terms of career comebacks, Saberhagen ties with Pete Alexander for the position as the Career Comeback King. 

                I’ll give you the comeback pitcher of the year for every year since Cincinnatus, but first let’s look at the 2011 competition.  The top five comeback pitcher candidates in 2011 were, alphabetically, Josh Beckett, Aaron Harang, Kyle Lohse, Jason Marquis, and J. J. Putzy.    These were their season scores in 2011:

           

 

 

 

2011 Season Score

 

 

 

First

Last

Team

J.J.

Putz

Diamondbacks

206

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

201

Kyle

Lohse

Cardinals

168

Aaron

Harang

Padres

158

Jason

Marquis

Diamondbacks

65

 

            Putz, with 45 saves and a 2.15 ERA, had the best season in the group, by a narrow margin, but that doesn’t mean that he had the biggest comeback.  We have to look also at how much better he was than the previous season.   This chart gives the 2010 Season Scores for these pitchers:

 

 

 

 

2011 Season Score

2010 Season Score

 

 

 

First

Last

Team

J.J.

Putz

Diamondbacks

206

79

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

201

16

Kyle

Lohse

Cardinals

168

-33

Aaron

Harang

Padres

158

22

Jason

Marquis

Diamondbacks

65

-45

 

            Putz improved by 127 points over his 2010 season, when he pitched well but had only three Saves, but Kyle Lohse improved by 201 points over a 2010 season in which he pitched well but very, very rarely; he was 4-8 with a 6.55 ERA.   Lohse had the biggest improvement over his 2010 campaign:

 

 

 

2011 Season Score

2010 Season Score

 

 

 

 

 

First

Last

Team

Improvement

Kyle

Lohse

Cardinals

168

-33

201

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

201

16

185

Aaron

Harang

Padres

158

22

136

J.J.

Putz

Diamondbacks

206

79

127

Jason

Marquis

Diamondbacks

65

-45

110

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

            Lohse had the biggest improvement, but that still is not what we’re trying to get to.   The pitcher who had the biggest improvement in 2011 may well have been Ian Kennedy, but that doesn’t make him the Comeback Pitcher of the Year, because he’s never been good before.   There’s a third critical element:  that the pitcher has had previous success.   This chart adds the pitcher’s previous career high:

 

 

 

2011 Season Score

2010 Season Score

 

 

 

 

 

 

Previous

First

Last

Team

Improvement

Best

Kyle

Lohse

Cardinals

168

-33

201

179

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

201

16

185

250

Aaron

Harang

Padres

158

22

136

216

J.J.

Putz

Diamondbacks

206

79

127

277

Jason

Marquis

Diamondbacks

65

-45

110

173

 

            Putz saved 40 games with a 1.38 ERA in 2007, so his previous best season is also the highest in the group.   But now we’re ready to figure the Comeback Scores for each pitcher.   For Marquis, that’s 173 minus a negative 45 (218) times 110, which makes 23,980.   This ranks fifth in the group:

 

 

 

2011 Season Score

2010 Season Score

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Previous

COMEBACK

First

Last

Team

Improvement

Best

SCORE

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

201

16

185

250

43290

Kyle

Lohse

Cardinals

168

-33

201

179

42612

Aaron

Harang

Padres

158

22

136

216

26384

J.J.

Putz

Diamondbacks

206

79

127

277

25146

Jason

Marquis

Diamondbacks

65

-45

110

173

23980

 

            So the Comeback Pitcher of the Year, by our system, is Josh Beckett, although it’s a close race between Beckett and Lohse.   Beckett was the Comeback Pitcher of the Year, but actually it’s not a huge comeback; this score—which technically was 43,138—was a relatively low score for a season’s best.  

                Of course, there are 40 other things that could be a part of this discussion that we didn’t measure.   You could argue that we should have included World Series performance in evaluating 2011, or we should have considered how long the pitcher had been "gone" before he came back, or that we should have considered how old he was, or that we should have considered how good he was before on a multi-year basis, rather than just his single best season.   There are many other things that we could have considered, but I could spend a month working on that and you wouldn’t like the results then any better than you do now, so let’s skip that and get to the lists. 

                Three lists.   First, the Comeback Pitchers of the Year since the year 2000, and their records and comeback scores:

First

Last

Year

Age

G

W

L

SO

BB

SV

ERA

Comeback Score

Darryl

Kile

2000

31

34

20

9

192

58

0

3.91

93163

David

Cone

2001

38

25

9

7

115

57

0

4.31

65397

Kevin

Millwood

2002

27

35

18

8

178

65

0

3.24

37431

Mike

Hampton

2003

30

31

14

8

110

78

0

3.84

70763

Randy

Johnson

2004

40

35

16

14

290

44

0

2.60

64328

Andy

Pettitte

2005

33

33

17

9

171

41

0

2.39

39067

Curt

Schilling

2006

39

31

15

7

183

28

0

3.97

41588

Oliver

Perez

2007

26

29

15

10

174

79

0

3.56

52026

Cliff

Lee

2008

29

31

22

3

170

34

0

2.54

77664

Chris

Carpenter

2009

34

28

17

4

144

38

0

2.24

82121

Billy

Wagner

2010

38

71

7

2

104

22

37

1.43

56802

Josh

Beckett

2011

31

30

13

7

175

52

0

2.89

43138

 

            Since 2000 the biggest comeback was by Darryl Kile in 2000, although, if he comes back now, that will be an even bigger story.   Sorry.   Kile was very good in 1997, finishing 19-7 for Houston, then signed with Colorado as a free agent and got his rockies beaten in for two years, leading the league in losses in 1998 and posting a 6.61 ERA in 1999.  In 2000 he was traded to the Cardinals, and won twenty games for St. Louis.

                Kile had the highest-scoring comeback since Luis Tiant in 1972—a very famous comeback season.  These are the highest-scoring comebacks of each decade since 1880:

First

Last

Year

Age

G

W

L

SO

BB

ERA

Score

Comeback Score

Will

White

1882

27

54

40

12

122

71

1.54

628

343357

Charlie

Buffinton

1891

30

48

29

9

158

120

2.55

394

189282

Vic

Willis

1901

25

38

20

17

133

78

2.36

275

97884

Grover Cleveland

Alexander

1919

32

30

16

11

121

38

1.72

289

137143

Carl

Mays

1924

32

37

20

9

63

36

3.15

228

74119

Lefty

Grove

1935

35

35

20

12

121

65

2.70

267

126993

Bob

Feller

1946

27

48

26

15

348

153

2.18

444

117721

Virgil

Trucks

1953

36

40

20

10

149

99

2.93

272

67607

Robin

Roberts

1962

35

27

10

9

102

41

2.78

162

102043

Luis

Tiant

1972

31

43

15

6

123

65

1.91

249

102210

Bert

Blyleven

1989

38

33

17

5

131

44

2.73

278

77397

Juan

Guzman

1996

29

27

11

8

165

53

2.93

170

68900

Darryl

Kile

2000

31

34

20

9

192

58

3.91

215

93163

 

            That’s the second list I promised you.  Vic Willis actually had the two highest comeback scores of the 1900-1909 decade, in 1901 and 1906, and Carl Mays had the two highest of the 1920s, in 1924 and 1926.  (So we learn something useful from doing this:   That a pitcher who has a big comeback once is a good candidate to do so again.)

                And here is a complete list of the Comeback Pitchers of the Year since 1878, the first year it was possible to have a comeback score:

First

Last

Team

Lg

Year

Jack

Manning

Boston Braves

NL

1878

Bobby

Mathews

Grays

NL

1879

George

Bradley

Grays

NL

1880

Pud

Galvin

Bisons

NL

1881

Will

White

Cincinnati Reds

AA

1882

George

Bradley

Athletics

AA

1883

Tommy

Bond

RedsAA-Hoosiers

AA

1884

Stump

Wiedman

Wolverines

NL

1885

Pud

Galvin

Alleghenys

AA

1886

Jim

Whitney

Statesmen

NL

1887

Ed

Morris

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1888

Old Hoss

Radbourn

Boston Braves

NL

1889

Toad

Ramsey

St. Louis Cardinals

AA

1890

Charlie

Buffinton

Red Stockings

AA

1891

Tim

Keefe

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1892

Hank

Gastright

Pirates-Braves

NL

1893

Duke

Esper

Senators-Orioles

NL

1894

Adonis

Terry

Chicago Cubs

NL

1895

Red

Ehret

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1896

Amos

Rusie

New York Giants

NL

1897

Cy

Young

Spiders

NL

1898

Chick

Fraser

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1899

Jim

Hughey

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1900

Vic

Willis

Boston Braves

NL

1901

Wiley

Piatt

Chicago White Sox

AL

1902

Brickyard

Kennedy

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1903

Jack

Harper

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1904

Deacon

Phillippe

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1905

Vic

Willis

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1906

Cy

Young

Boston Red Sox

AL

1907

Kaiser

Wilhelm

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1908

Earl

Moore

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1909

Ed

Walsh

Chicago White Sox

AL

1910

Art

Fromme

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1911

Otto

Hess

Boston Braves

NL

1912

George

McQuillan

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1913

Russ

Ford

Buffeds

FL

1914

Jack

Coombs

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1915

Larry

Cheney

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1916

Chief

Bender

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1917

Claude

Hendrix

Chicago Cubs

NL

1918

Grover Cleveland

Alexander

Chicago Cubs

NL

1919

Burleigh

Grimes

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1920

George

Mogridge

Washington Senators

AL

1921

Jeff

Pfeffer

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1922

Grover Cleveland

Alexander

Chicago Cubs

NL

1923

Carl

Mays

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1924

Stan

Coveleski

Washington Senators

AL

1925

Carl

Mays

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1926

Grover Cleveland

Alexander

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1927

SadSam

Jones

Washington Senators

AL

1928

Tom

Zachary

New York Yankees

AL

1929

Dolf

Luque

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1930

Larry

Benton

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1931

Ted

Lyons

Chicago White Sox

AL

1932

Jesse

Haines

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1933

Flint

Rhem

Cardinals-Braves

NL

1934

Lefty

Grove

Boston Red Sox

AL

1935

Ed

Brandt

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1936

Lefty

Gomez

New York Yankees

AL

1937

Paul

Derringer

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1938

Larry

French

Chicago Cubs

NL

1939

Schoolboy

Rowe

Detroit Tigers

AL

1940

Lefty

Gomez

New York Yankees

AL

1941

Larry

French

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1942

Elmer

Riddle

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1943

Bucky

Walters

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1944

Roger

Wolff

Washington Senators

AL

1945

Bob

Feller

Cleveland Indians

AL

1946

George

Munger

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1947

Preacher

Roe

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1948

Early

Wynn

Cleveland Indians

AL

1949

Dizzy

Trout

Detroit Tigers

AL

1950

Alex

Kellner

Philadelphia Athletics

AL

1951

Johnny

Sain

New York Yankees

AL

1952

Virgil

Trucks

Orioles-White Sox

AL

1953

Hal

Newhouser

Cleveland Indians

AL

1954

Don

Newcombe

Brooklyn Dodgers

NL

1955

Brooks

Lawrence

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1956

Bobby

Shantz

New York Yankees

AL

1957

Robin

Roberts

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1958

Don

Newcombe

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1959

Bob

Friend

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1960

Paul

Foytack

Detroit Tigers

AL

1961

Robin

Roberts

Baltimore Orioles

AL

1962

Lindy

McDaniel

Chicago Cubs

NL

1963

Jim

Bunning

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1964

Bob

Shaw

San Francisco Giants

NL

1965

Phil

Regan

Los Angeles Dodgers

NL

1966

Ray

Sadecki

San Francisco Giants

NL

1967

Dick

Ellsworth

Boston Red Sox

AL

1968

Jim

Bunning

Pirates-Dodgers

NL

1969

Mudcat

Grant

A's-Pirates

AL

1970

Al

Downing

Los Angeles Dodgers

NL

1971

Luis

Tiant

Boston Red Sox

AL

1972

Bill

Singer

Los Angeles Angels

AL

1973

Larry

Dierker

Houston Astros

NL

1974

Jim

Palmer

Baltimore Orioles

AL

1975

Bill

Singer

Rangers-Twins

AL

1976

Goose

Gossage

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1977

Mike

Caldwell

Milwaukee Brewers

AL

1978

Jerry

Koosman

Minnesota Twins

AL

1979

Jerry

Reuss

Los Angeles Dodgers

NL

1980

Tom

Seaver

Cincinnati Reds

NL

1981

Jim

Palmer

Baltimore Orioles

AL

1982

John

Denny

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1983

Bert

Blyleven

Cleveland Indians

AL

1984

Ron

Guidry

New York Yankees

AL

1985

Rick

Rhoden

Pittsburgh Pirates

NL

1986

Pascual

Perez

Montreal Expos

NL

1987

Jerry

Reuss

Chicago White Sox

AL

1988

Bert

Blyleven

Los Angeles Angels

AL

1989

John

Tudor

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

1990

Mitch

Williams

Philadelphia Phillies

NL

1991

Doug

Jones

Houston Astros

NL

1992

Bryan

Harvey

Florida Marlins

NL

1993

Charles

Nagy

Cleveland Indians

AL

1994

Jaime

Navarro

Chicago Cubs

NL

1995

Juan

Guzman

Toronto Blue Jays

AL

1996

Randy

Johnson

Seattle Mariners

AL

1997

Bret

Saberhagen

Boston Red Sox

AL

1998

Kevin

Appier

Royals-A's

AL

1999

Darryl

Kile

St. Louis Cardinals

NL

2000

David

Cone

Boston Red Sox

AL

2001

Kevin

Millwood

Atlanta Braves

NL

2002

Mike

Hampton

Atlanta Braves

NL

2003

Randy

Johnson

Arizona Diamondbacks

NL

2004

Andy

Pettitte

Houston Astros

NL

2005

Curt

Schilling

Boston Red Sox

AL

2006

Oliver

Perez

New York Mets

NL

2007

Cliff

Lee

Indians

AL

2008

Chris

Carpenter

Cardinals

NL

2009

Billy

Wagner

Braves

NL

2010

Josh

Beckett

Red Sox

AL

2011

 

            I have season scores for hitters, too, so this same process should work for hitters.   I’ll try to get that done, and post it here before the season starts.   Thanks for reading.

 
 

COMMENTS (10 Comments, most recent shown first)

jdw
Bill Singer in 1976 is interest. Did he score well because his 1975 was so bad? His 1976 was pretty close to league average performance. In turn, Tommy John didn't pitch in 1975.

Not suggesting there's a flaw in the tool, but was there an consideration in dealing with people who were effectively out of the game like John?
4:36 PM Apr 20th
 
bjames
Which is a really good reason not to pay too much attention to ERA in the 19th century. Esper in 1893 allowed 102 UN-earned runs, and finished 12-28. In 1894--playing in a better hitter's park and in a league in which more runs were scored--he cut his un-earned runs to 48, improved his control, and improved his won-lost record to 15-12.

1:38 PM Mar 26th
 
jwilt
I'm a fan of the old Orioles, so I had to go look up Duke Esper's comeback season in 1894. The only things I remembered reading about Esper was his cool nickname and that he'd come over in midseason to shore up a staff that was basically Sadie McMahon and some journeymen. Maybe this is an idiosyncrasy of the season score system, or the comeback player calculations, but he was at least as good in '93 as in '94. His W/L record was much better the comeback year, but he pitched 100 more innings to a better context-adjusted ERA in his "bad" year.
7:49 PM Mar 25th
 
rgregory1956
Thanks a lot, Bill: I own stock in Marriott.
4:13 PM Mar 25th
 
bjames
While Saberhagen's other comebacks may not seem as comebackey as the 1998 renaissance, he did in fact win the Sporting News comeback player of the year award for 1987--which my system would not have given him.

Hey, guys. .. .I can't reach the "Hey, Bill" letters right now because I'm in a hotel with a glitch in the internet connection. Courtyard hotel. . .guess there is no reason to protect their identity.
8:06 PM Mar 24th
 
LesLein
Boog Powell may show up on the hitter's list. He used to say that he was tired of winning the award. In the 1960s and early 1970s it was almost biannual.
12:56 PM Mar 24th
 
stheman
Saberhagen's comeback in '98 seems to be more in line with how "comeback" is traditionally viewed, ie., a once-great or dominant player reemerging after a period of mediocrity. I'm not sure his other years, or most of the other "comebacks" listed here, which followed a single bad season and/or a season on the DL, really count as comebacks in the traditional sense.
11:06 AM Mar 24th
 
Robinsong
It is a wonderful list. It shows the challenges even great pitchers have in being good every year. 25 of the 66 pitchers in the HOF are on the list a total of 35 times. So over 25% of the Comeback winners are HOF, those this has dropped off in recent years. Some of the dropoff is due to pitchers not yet eligible (e.g., Randy Johnson), but I think more is that top starters are no longer given such heavy workloads. This means both that they do not dominate the peaks on season scores as much and that there is lower risk of injuries leading to terrible seasons.
10:30 AM Mar 24th
 
chill
I can see why the strongest comebacks by this definition would have to come from players with a lot of talent, but the list is even more slanted towards great players than I would have expected.

It's affected more by how high you go than how low which implies that there's more variation in the heights than the depths, which is not surprising, what with replacement level and all that. Still, the list is less satisfying because it looks like a lot of lists of talented pitchers.

Maybe the batter list will have more surprises.
7:16 PM Mar 23rd
 
tigerlily
Thanks Bill. I think I enjoy the fun stuff as much as the more serious stuff. I'm looking forward to the position players comeback article.
2:36 PM Mar 23rd
 
 
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