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Position Champions

November 30, 2022
  

Position Champions

            In the early days of baseball, you may not know, there was a period when the "championship" of baseball was determined by beating the previous champion in head to head competition, like the boxing championships.  It didn’t work worth a hoot, that system; it quickly devolved, as boxing has, into multiple claims of the championship, and to teams trying to hold on to a share of something by ducking the teams that could beat them.  

            Not a good system, but a better effort at the same result is sort of what I am trying to do here.  Mickey Cochrane was the best catcher in baseball until somebody came along who was better than him, but who was that?  Johnny Bench was the greatest until somebody came along who was better, but who exactly should we say that was?  Thurman Munson?  Carlton Fisk?  I say Ted Simmons, but that is in part because I don’t like one-year championships, and won’t list a one-year champion unless there is really no way to avoid it.  This is my historic list of the best catchers in baseball since 1900:

 

CATCHERS

Ed McFarland

1900

-

1901

Roger Bresnahan

1902

-

1911

Chief Meyers

1912

-

1914

Ray Schalk

1915

-

1918

Wally Schang

1919

-

1921

Bob O'Farrell

1922

-

1923

Wally Schang

1924

 

 

Gabby Hartnett

1925

 

 

Mickey Cochrane

1926

-

1935

Bill Dickey

1936

-

1939

Harry Danning

1940

 

 

Bill Dickey

1941

-

1943

Walker Cooper

1944

 

 

Ernie Lombardi

1945

 

 

Walker Cooper

1946

-

1947

Yogi Berra

1948

-

1957

Del Crandall

1958

-

1960

Elston Howard

1961

-

1964

Joe Torre

1965

 

 

Bill Freehan

1966

-

1968

Johnny Bench

1969

-

1977

Ted Simmons

1977

-

1978

Gary Carter

1979

-

1986

Carlton Fisk

1987

-

1989

Craig Biggio

1990

-

1991

Darren Daulton

1992

-

1993

Mike Piazza

1994

-

1998

Ivan Rodriguez

1999

-

2002

Jorge Posada

2003

-

2004

Joe Mauer

2005

-

2012

Yadier Molina

2013

 

 

Buster Posey

2014

-

2018+

 

            It’s probably Realmuto now, right?   The hardest parts of this list are (1) coming to terms with all of the one-year champions, and (2) Figuring out when to say that Yogi Berra is no longer the #1 catcher.  Campanella was just as great as Berra, of course, but Yogi was great every year.  Campanella was up and down, way up and way down.  By  my formula Yogi holds the lead through 1960, but that’s not realistic; by 1960 he was a part-time player.   Crandall was a little better than Yogi in 1958 and significantly better in 1960, although Yogi played better than Crandall did in 1959, so you could switch that one the other way, Yogi through 1959; it wouldn’t be definitively wrong.   Feel free to argue; there’s a comments space below. 

            I feel in some way that documenting this list, figuring out who passed the baton to who, connects us to the past.   That’s why I don’t like the one-year players.  Harry Danning didn’t CARRY the baton; he just held it for a moment and then gave it back to its rightful owner, Bill Dickey.  But Danning had been one of the top catchers for several years before 1940 and was much better than Dickey in 1940, so I kind of had to give him a nod.   A one-year player doesn’t seem to be running a leg of the race; he’s just standing still, passing the baton without carrying it.  He’s not a real participant in history’s relay race; he’s a brief diversion from it.  

            Eleven catchers have held the #1 spot who are not and probably will never be in the Hall of Fame.  I’m sure that is more than any other position.   Carlton Fisk didn’t move into the #1 spot until he was past 40 years old, when Gary Carter, who was six years younger than Fisk, finally gave it up.  That’s got to be unprecedented, too, somebody taking the baton from a player six years younger, but then holding it for several seasons.

            Five players on this list (Torre, Simmons, Biggio, Piazza and Posada) were often not recognized by the baseball community as the best of their time because they were strong hitters but not great defensive catchers.   But I don’t have that option.  I can’t say that Jim Sundberg was better than Ted Simmons, just because I want a strong defensive catcher. 

 

            Second basemen. . .

SECOND BASEMEN

Nap Lajoie

1900

-

1908

Eddie Collins

1909

-

1919

Rogers Hornsby

1920

-

1929

Charlie Gehringer

1930

-

1938

Joe Gordon

1939

-

1943

Bobby Doerr

1944

 

 

Eddie Stanky

1945

 

 

Bobby Doerr

1946

 

 

Joe Gordon

1947

-

1948

Jackie Robinson

1949

-

1953

Nellie Fox

1954

-

1960

Bill Mazeroski

1961

-

1963

Pete Rose

1964

-

1966

Joe Morgan

1967

-

1978

Bobby Grich

1979

-

1981

Lou Whitaker

1982

-

1983

Ryne Sandberg

1984

-

1992

Craig Biggio

1993

-

2000

Jeff Kent

2001

-

2005

Chase Utley

2006

-

2009

Robinson Cano

2010

-

2014

Jose Altuve

2015

-

2018+

 

            Sorry that Pedroia doesn’t make the list; he just doesn’t.   This list is a lot more straightforward than the catchers’ list, fewer debatable selections.  It is interesting how many guys own the position for a calendar decade.  Lajoie during the 1900s, Collins the 1910s, Hornsby the 1920s, Gehringer the 1930s, Morgan the 1970s, Sandberg the 1980s, Biggio the 1990s.  

 

            I’m going to do two more here, third baseman and starting pitchers.  Outfielders and first basemen would be tough to do because outfielders are forever switching among the three outfield positions and also moving to first base.  You could do shortstops or left-handed starting pitchers, but it takes a lot of time; this article would have been published three weeks ago but the work hours are hard to find when the basketball and football seasons overlap; have to watch the Chiefs, Jayhawks and 76ers.  But you could do, for example, American League catchers. . .after Bill Freehan is Thurman Munson, after Munson is Fisk, etc.  To me, that’s still an interesting list, still an interesting question, although the process is devolving toward smaller and smaller questions.  Middle relievers.  There is no end to the possible questions or the process of creating them, and you have to keep double-checking the list to see that you didn’t list somebody as the number one third baseman in some year when he was playing right field.  I’m sure I did that somewhere.  Bob Elliott mostly played the outfield in 1946, but I decided to leave him on the list, because he did play some at third base and there just isn’t anybody better.  Here are the third basemen. . .

 

THIRD BASEMEN

Jimmy Collins

1900

-

1903

Tommy Leach

1904

-

1909

Home Run Baker

1910

-

1914

Larry Gardner

1915

 

 

Home Run Baker

1916

-

1918

Heinie Groh

1919

-

1922

Pie Traynor

1923

-

1932

Pepper Martin

1933

-

1934

Stan Hack

1935

-

1943

Bob Elliott

1944

-

1950

Eddie Yost

1951

-

1952

Eddie Mathews

1953

-

1963

Ron Santo

1964

-

1969

Tony Perez

1970

-

1973

Mike Schmidt

1974

-

1984

George Brett

1985

 

 

Wade Boggs

1986

-

1992

Matt Williams

1993

-

1994

Ken Caminiti

1995

-

1996

Chipper Jones

1997

-

2001

Scott Rolen

2002

-

2003

Alex Rodriguez

2004

-

2009

Adrian Beltre

2010

-

2014

Josh Donaldson

2015

-

2017

Nolan Arrenado

2018

-

and on

 

            Lots of irate fans here.  Cleveland fans are protesting that Kenny Keltner and Al Rosen are not listed; they understand about Buddy Bell.  St. Louis fans are upset about Ken Boyer, Baltimore is fuming about Brooks Robinson, Strat-o-Matic players are standing up for Harland Clift, Detroit doesn’t understand why the system likes Bob Elliott better than George Kell. . . .all solid arguments, of course.  The method wants you to have ten good years, or it doesn’t want to say that you were the greatest of your era. 

            And starting pitchers. . .

STARTING PITCHERS

Cy Young

1900

-

1904

Christy Mathewson

1905

-

1911

Walter Johnson

1912

-

1922

Pete Alexander

1923

 

 

Walter Johnson

1924

-

1925

Burleigh Grimes

1926

 

 

Dazzy Vance

1927

-

1928

Lefty Grove

1929

-

1935

Carl Hubbell

1936

 

 

Red Ruffing

1937

-

1938

Bucky Walters

1939

 

 

Bob Feller

1940

-

1941

Bucky Walters

1942

-

1944

Hal Newhouser

1945

-

1949

Warren Spahn

1950

-

1959

Don Drysdale

1960

-

1962

Sandy Koufax

1963

-

1966

Bob Gibson

1967

-

1970

Tom Seaver

1971

-

1976

Steve Carlton

1977

-

1982

Dave Stieb

1983

-

1984

Dwight Gooden

1985

 

 

Roger Clemens

1986

-

1992

Greg Maddux

1993

-

1998

Pedro Martinez

1999

-

2001

Randy Johnson

2002

-

2003

Johan Santana

2004

-

2006

CC Sabathia

2007

-

2008

Roy Halladay

2009

-

2010

Justin Verlander

2011

-

2012

Clayton Kershaw

2013

-

2015

Max Scherzer

2016

-

2018

 

 

            Thank you for your patience. 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

COMMENTS (22 Comments, most recent shown first)

shthar
As 3rd assistant secretary of the Harlan Clift Fanclub, How DARE you!
1:10 PM Dec 7th
 
PeteRidges
Just to reply to wovenstrap's comment from a few days ago.

It's not that difficult to understand the claim that in 2018 Arenado was better (i.e. in the middle of a better stretch) than Jose Ramirez: just replicate the calculations using the method given. Arenado wins, 15.76 to 14.59. Bill says that he doesn't want to do the calculations for more recent years, because we don't know what is to come, and that's sensible. But I won't wait, because I'm impatient.

If we do the method for 2019, then Arenado wins again, then Ramirez goes top in 2020 (and stays there).

This all makes sense because both men made their debuts in 2013, and Arenado has more career Win Shares (203 to 185). But Ramirez has been better in the last three years, so he wins if we weight the last three years more heavily than the others.



3:05 PM Dec 5th
 
ForeverRoyal
Interesting list. When I first saw the article and read the first paragraph, I was expecting we'd see something showing who became the all-time at their position. For example, Matty hands the baton to Walter and then Walter holds it for decades or something like that. But this is much better.

The pitching list is the most interesting because, that list is probably harder to top since there is so much more competition. Frankly, I'd be ok if every pitcher on that list made the Hall of Fame; especially Santana. I know his career was short, but he's basically the Sandy Koufax of his generation (minus the insane post-season performance of course).
10:54 AM Dec 2nd
 
DrDoom
@odelljones,

I also noticed that Brooks Robinson discrepancy... but actually, Bill just named Robinson as the best American League player in '64-65, and thus there's no contradiction with Santo actually being the best third baseman.
10:20 AM Dec 2nd
 
archieleach
Very cool series of lists. Note that Craig Biggio makes the Catcher list, then moves to Second Base and leads THAT list for most of a decade. Will he make the Center Field list as well? Will anyone else make 2 lists?
9:53 AM Dec 2nd
 
Jaytaft
I retract my comment about Stan Hack being a bad baserunner. Bill explained to someone elsewhere that Hack was very fast, and that "it is likely that 80% of the caught stealing or more were hit and run plays, ordered from the dugout."
9:12 AM Dec 2nd
 
wovenstrap
I also find the conclusion that Freeman is the best player in baseball to be nutty as well.
9:41 PM Dec 1st
 
wovenstrap
It occurs to me that Cleveland fans won't just complain about Keltner and Bell (I don't care about them). They can also complain about Ramirez.....
9:38 PM Dec 1st
 
wovenstrap
Bill's contention that Arenado is the best third baseman in baseball is a little bit bizarre. Let's do the math, using Win Shares. Arenado was a regular before Ramirez was, and has a little bit of an edge on Ramirez through 2016. Since 2017, Jose has had a better year in 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, and 2022. Arenado gets 2019, just 2019, that's it. In 2022 Ramirez pulled FAR ahead with a 37 Win Share season. If you take the 3 best seasons by the two players combined, the top 3 seasons are all Jose. Actually Jose's 4th best season is the same is Arenado's best season. So it's difficult to understand what Bill's talking about here.

Is there any chance Bill will ever see this comment?
9:38 PM Dec 1st
 
Manushfan
I AM surprised at the lack of Al Rosen, Brooksie or Boyer at third, at catcher thought you'd get more Fisk. But still overall these make sense.
10:15 AM Dec 1st
 
jonfel14
Shouldn’t it be Bando for 1972-73, since Perez wasn’t playing 3b anymore?
8:18 AM Dec 1st
 
jonfel14
Shouldn’t it be Bando for 1972-73, since Perez wasn’t playing 3b anymore?
8:18 AM Dec 1st
 
jonfel14
Shouldn’t it be Bando for 1972-73, since Perez wasn’t playing 3b anymore?
8:18 AM Dec 1st
 
Jaytaft
Stan Hack had quite a reign! 9 years. Too bad he thought he could steal bases - he was as bad at that as Ruth, Gehrig, and Musial.
7:35 AM Dec 1st
 
TheRicemanCometh
Jim Palmer is fuming about the 1970s choices.
12:27 AM Dec 1st
 
DavidHeflin
Don't know if this matters, but Tony Perez moved to 1st base for the 1972 season.
11:03 PM Nov 30th
 
odelljones
How is it that Brooks Robinson is the best player in baseball in 1965 but not the best third baseman?​
9:54 PM Nov 30th
 
W.T.Mons10
Last time Bill did this, he had Mike Grady as #1 catcher in 1900-1901, even though he wasn't a starting catcher. I guess McFarland has to be a better choice.
9:48 PM Nov 30th
 
villageelliott
That last comment was posted strangely. I can't edit it. Maybe the site elves can.
8:19 PM Nov 30th
 
Manushfan
Like I thought-Pie's there for about a decade. The 20's.
3:55 PM Nov 30th
 
rtallia
Awesome, thanks Bill! Just curious, why would shortstops take longer? I'm sure the answer is obvious but it's escaping me...
3:11 PM Nov 30th