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Tough Games, and Not So Tough

July 30, 2013

                While I had the data assembled about tough games and not-so-tough games, I also took a look at pitcher’s records in tough games and easy games.    Every start of a pitcher’s career from 1953 to 2012 was scored on a 1 to 5 scale, 5 being the toughest games and 1 the easiest.   "5" games are ALL on the road, and all against very tough opponents, post-season quality opponents.   "1" games are all at home, and all against weak opposition.   The other groups are mixed—

                "4" games are against .500+ teams on the road and post-season quality opponents at home,

                "3" games are .500+ teams at home and sub-.500 teams on the road,

                "2" games are sub-.500 teams at home and truly bad opposing teams on the road. 

 

                Roughly 20% of games are in groups "1" and "5" combined, and the other 80% are pretty evenly distributed among the other three groups.    From here on, I’ll break it down to questions and answers:

 

Q.  Who was the toughest pitcher ever in the toughest games?

A.  Juan Marichal.    I think I wrote about this once before, but when I was in college I had an argument with my friend Tony Bandle about Juan Marichal in tough games.   Tony was a St. Louis native and a Cardinal fan, and he was arguing that Bob Gibson was the greatest pitcher in baseball, not an unreasonable argument in the fall of 1968.   Being contrarian, perhaps, I was arguing for Juan Marichal, pointing out that Marichal had won more games than Gibson every season since 1963.

                OK, said Bandle, but Marichal has piled up a lot of wins against the teams like the Mets and the Astros, which were the bad teams in the NL at that time.  The argument degenerated from there.

                Anyway, here is the last word on that; if you see Tony, tell him about it.   In 46 career starts facing championship-quality opposition on the road, Juan Marichal was 29-9 with a 2.24 ERA—by far the best record of any pitcher over the last 60 years in those games; the best winning percentage and the best ERA, and it ain’t close.

                Actually, Clayton Kershaw has a 1.85 ERA in those games, but that’s only 11 starts, and Chad Billingsley is at 1.97, but that’s only 14 starts.      Let’s say we use 20 starts to qualify.   The number two man to Marichal is a guy who was a teammate of Marichal’s the first half of his career, Gaylord Perry; Perry in his career was 35-22 with a 2.56 ERA, and Perry actually had the most starts of any pitcher in these games, 68.    The top ten in ERA:  Marichal, Perry, Mario Soto, Dave Stieb, Pedro Martinez, Phil Niekro, Ray Culp, Don Robinson, Dave McNally and Tom Seaver.  Seaver is interesting, in that he has one of the best ERAs facing post-season quality teams in road games (2.92), but a very poor won-lost record (13-22).

                Jon Lester is 12-3 in those games, 22 starts, which I guess is a better winning percentage than Marichal, but half as many starts and he, of course, is still active.   Bartolo Colon is 15-5 in those games, Steve Avery was 12-4, Sandy Koufax 18-8, Bret Saberhagen 14-6, and James Baldwin was 10-5.    Dave McNally was 19-11, Bob Welch 19-11, Carlos Zambrano was/is 13-7, David Cone 13-7, King Felix 12-7, David Wells 23-14.    Frank Lary, who was famous for beating the Yankees, was 18-11 in those games.     Camilo Pascual was 19-12, and Tom Glavine 31-20.

 

Q.  Who was notably BAD in those games?

A.  Blyleven.   Blyleven and Marichal were both right-handed pitchers, both Hall of Famers, both with fantastic strikeout/walk ratios.   But whereas Marichal dominated the best teams in road games, Blyleven in those starts was 15-34 with a 4.63 ERA.

                Blyleven has the most losses in those games, and the worst winning percentage of any pitcher with 36 or more starts.   There are 87 pitchers in the study who had 36 or more starts under those conditions; Blyleven’s won-lost record is the worst of those 87.

                But there are, of course, lots of pitchers who were worse than Blyleven in those games, but just in fewer starts.   Jason Bere, facing the highest quality opponents in road games, was 1 and 10 with 9.49 ERA in 62 innings.   Bryan Rekar was 0-7, 9.46.   Bo Belinsky was 2-10 with an ERA of 8.00 (apparently "B" names do very badly in this category), and Jose Lima was 4-16 with a 7.68.   Al Downing—not a bad pitcher—was 1-14 with a 5.01 ERA when facing quality opposition on the road.

                Joe Niekro, whose brother was one of the best pitchers in those games, was 11-27 with a 4.86 ERA.   Jim Colborn was 3-19.    Chuck Rainey made only three starts of that type, but was 0-3 with a 14.09 ERA in those three starts.   The record is notable in two ways:  the worst ERA, and the fewest starts.    With 100+ career starts, Rainey by random luck should have had about ten to twelve starts against championship-quality opponents on the road.

Q.  Who started the most/least often in those games?

                Francisco Barrios, a Mexican pitcher who died of a drug overdose in mid-career, made fewer career starts than Chuck Rainey, same era, but pitched 19 times on the road against post-season quality teams.     That was the highest percentage of any pitcher.

                Tom Griffin was a phenom with the Astros in 1969, struck out 200 batters in 188 innings.   Strikeout rates were a lot lower then.     Griffin made 34 of 191 career starts under those conditions, the highest percentage of any pitcher with 150 starts.   It’s actually a remarkably high percentage, which can be illustrated in this way.   Jim Barr (same era) has the highest percentage for a pitcher with 250 or more starts—but Barr was 34 of 252.   No more super-tough starts than Griffin, 61 more starts—and Barr still has the highest percentage in his bailiwick.    Frank Lary, the Yankee Killer, was 38 of 292 (the highest percentage with more starts than Barr), and Sam McDowell was 45 of 346, the highest percentage with more than 300 starts. 

                On the other end of the scale is Chuck Rainey.   Matt Young made only 6 of 163 career starts on the road against tough teams.    Young was a lefty who threw a fastball that started off the plate away from a right-handed batter and then tailed back over the plate.   It’s a pitch you see a lot now, but almost nobody threw it in the 1980s.     Storm Davis is at 4% (10 of 239), and Jimmy Key is low (21 of 389).    Jeff Suppan Sandwiches was very low (25 of 417).  

 

Q.   Who was the most dominant pitcher facing a bad team in a home game?

A.  Drysdale.    Drysdale was 31-8 with a 1.97 ERA, facing a bad team in a home game.   Among the 262 pitchers who pitched 162 or more innings in those games, that’s the best ERA.   Guidry was 18-3, 1.99 ERA, Orel Hershiser 25-9, 1.99, Mike Scott 19-5, 2.09 ERA, Koufax 24-7, 2.11.

                Of course, you have a park effect here, whereas there was no park effect in the earlier stat.   When you focus solely on road games, as we were before, you have no park effect; when you focus entirely on home games, as we are doing here, then you get pitchers who pitched in pitcher’s parks.

                Drysdale’s 31-8 won-lost record against weak teams and at home isn’t the best in the group.   Warren Spahn was 31-7 in those games, in the data that I have, which begins in 1953.   Whitey Ford was 32-7 in those games, David Wells 32-7.

                Jered Weaver through 2012 has an 0.93 career ERA in those games, twelve starts.   Jon Lester is 10-0 in his career when facing a bad team in Fenway Park.

 

Q.  Who was notably poor in those games?

A.  Jeff Weaver, Jered’s older brother, was 7-16 with a 5.63 ERA when facing a bad team in his home park.    Terry Mulholland was 7-12, 5.98 ERA.    If you define the parameters right, the two brothers are best and worst in those games.  

                Steve Trachsel—a 143-game winner in his career (143-159)—was 11-19 with a 4.58 ERA when facing a bad team in his home park.   If he had dominated in those games the way he should have, his career won-lost record would be over .500.

 

Q.  Who pitched a lot in those kind of games?

A.   We have partial-career data for Mike Garcia, data starting in 1953, but in the data we have, Garcia made 20% of his career starts (32 of 164) at home against a bad team, which is an astonishing percentage.   Bob Turley, 1957 Cy Young Award winner, was at 17%; we have almost-complete data for him, and Paul Splittorff was at 14%, which is the highest we have for a pitcher with 300 or more starts.

                Another Royal is on the other end of that one.   Brian Bannister, the Royals pitcher of a few years ago who was very interested in sabermetrics, may be interested to learn that, in his entire career, he made only 3 starts against a bad team in his home park—three of 114.    Whereas Josh Towers, with fewer career starts, got 16 of those plum assignments.  

                Suppose that we broaden the discussion now to "tough" and "easy" games, but not the very toughest and the very easiest.    In this next part of the discussion, "tough" games are

                1)  Games against .500+ teams on the road, and

                2)  Games against .570 and better teams, whether at home or on the road.  

                In this part of the discussion, "easy" games are:

                1)  Games against sub-.500 teams at home, and

                2)  Games against truly bad teams, whether at home or on the road.

                Defining "tough" and "easy" games that way, we have much larger data samples. Back to the Q and A format.

 

Q:  Who was the most effective pitcher in tough games?

A:  Whitey Ford.    Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax and Juan Marichal, but. . .Whitey Ford.

                Again, we don’t quite have complete career data for Ford.   In the data that we have, Ford made 149 "tough" starts in his career.   He was 72-36 with a 2.66 ERA in those games—the best won-lost record, and the best ERA.   Sandy Koufax was 55-31 in those games, 3.00 ERA, and Marichal was 90-60, 3.10 ERA. 

                Among pitchers with 100 or more career starts (not 100 career starts in tough games, but 100 career starts total), the only pitchers with sub-3.00 ERAs in tough starts are Whitey Ford and Clayton Kershaw.  Dean Chance had a 3.04 ERA in tough games, but was 37-46.    David Price actually has a better winning percentage than Ford (28-12, .700), and Jon Lester is 34-18 in tough games.   But, of course, you can’t compare partial-career records with full-career records.

                Bob Gibson, the most famous big-game pitcher of my lifetime, was actually just 81-75 in tough starts—which, of course, is actually a very good record in those games.  73% of pitchers have losing records in tough starts, as we have defined tough starts here.    81-75 is a good record, but it’s not as good as Curt Schilling (79-44), Bob Welch (68-43), Tom Glavine (107-70), Kenny Rogers (68-45), Roy Halladay (73-49), Dwight Gooden (58-39), Randy Johnson (82-57), John Smoltz (67-47) or Mike Mussina (85-61).    Maddux and Glavine have the most wins in tough games—Maddux 108-80, Glavine 107-70.   Gaylord Perry was also 107-99. 

 

Q.  Who was ineffective in tough starts?

A.  Nolan Ryan had a 3.40 ERA in tough starts, but was 93-123.     Blyleven was 80-105, 3.79.   Don Sutton was 91-105, 3.91 ERA.  Those are the poorest records among big-name pitchers.

                Among all pitchers, Carlton Willey had the worst won-lost record, 6-25.   John Maine is 4-16 with a 6.60 ERA in tough games.    Moe Drabowsky was 8-30, and Pete Broberg was 7-26, 5.77 ERA.   

                Rick Honeycutt was 17-47 in tough starts.  

 

                Here is a chart of career records in "tough starts" and "easy starts".   It includes

                a)  Hall of Fame pitchers, and

                b)  Some pitchers who were more effective in tough starts than they were in easy starts:

 

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Buddy

Black

Tough

97

605.2

37

36

.507

298

172

3.82

Buddy

Black

Easy

95

593.1

35

36

.493

280

170

4.07

                     

Jim

Bunning

Tough

183

1272.1

69

69

.500

971

350

3.36

Jim

Bunning

Easy

179

1255.1

87

55

.613

1000

322

3.18

                     

John

Butcher

Tough

38

244.2

14

11

.560

103

70

4.05

John

Butcher

Easy

42

255.2

14

19

.424

122

70

4.51

                     

Steve

Carlton

Tough

246

1723.0

92

99

.482

1350

659

3.75

Steve

Carlton

Easy

242

1801.0

122

79

.607

1495

611

3.01

                     

Roger

Clemens

Tough

213

1473.0

89

69

.563

1359

524

3.34

Roger

Clemens

Easy

236

1653.1

132

47

.737

1630

494

2.69

                     

Ray

Culp

Tough

97

622.2

41

37

.526

469

219

3.47

Ray

Culp

Easy

93

633.1

37

33

.529

471

269

3.65

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Ron

Darling

Tough

112

706.1

44

37

.543

474

279

3.95

Ron

Darling

Easy

132

829.0

48

36

.571

555

314

4.04

                     

Don

Drysdale

Tough

164

1125.1

61

56

.521

824

279

3.24

Don

Drysdale

Easy

159

1214.2

84

44

.656

863

300

2.38

                     

Adam

Eaton

Tough

83

477.1

32

28

.533

322

194

4.77

Adam

Eaton

Easy

55

307.2

15

20

.429

240

97

5.32

                     

Dennis

Eckersley

Tough

137

954.1

52

53

.495

646

240

3.63

Dennis

Eckersley

Easy

135

918.0

58

45

.563

586

226

3.92

                     

Whitey

Ford

Tough

149

989.2

72

36

.667

611

324

2.66

Whitey

Ford

Easy

170

1164.2

91

33

.734

742

410

2.95

                     

Bob

Gibson

Tough

181

1394.2

81

75

.519

1098

510

3.14

Bob

Gibson

Easy

178

1394.1

102

53

.658

1174

448

2.67

                     

Tom

Glavine

Tough

234

1518.1

107

70

.605

869

546

3.60

Tom

Glavine

Easy

218

1423.0

105

61

.633

886

457

3.27

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Mudcat

Grant

Tough

93

649.0

37

30

.552

350

213

3.49

Mudcat

Grant

Easy

112

751.2

47

38

.553

368

272

3.72

                     

Don

Gullett

Tough

55

364.0

23

16

.590

223

138

3.31

Don

Gullett

Easy

70

465.1

37

18

.673

307

162

3.33

                     

Bill

Gullickson

Tough

131

891.0

52

47

.525

446

229

3.60

Bill

Gullickson

Easy

117

762.1

54

36

.600

401

165

3.95

                     

Roy

Halladay

Tough

162

1107.2

73

49

.598

873

237

3.36

Roy

Halladay

Easy

123

886.0

76

24

.760

675

146

2.83

                     

Cole

Hamels

Tough

75

481.1

26

20

.565

426

130

3.27

Cole

Hamels

Easy

67

440.2

36

17

.679

428

105

3.53

                     

Aaron

Harang

Tough

106

637.2

40

37

.519

517

203

4.08

Aaron

Harang

Easy

92

558.1

36

30

.545

455

170

4.17

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Ken

Hill

Tough

97

606.2

38

33

.535

374

283

3.63

Ken

Hill

Easy

103

668.0

46

31

.597

404

256

3.72

                     

Burt

Hooton

Tough

128

860.1

52

44

.542

482

238

3.18

Burt

Hooton

Easy

125

810.1

43

43

.500

453

241

3.33

                     

Catfish

Hunter

Tough

173

1166.2

67

66

.504

672

378

3.83

Catfish

Hunter

Easy

157

1133.1

82

49

.626

699

266

3.07

                     

Ferguson

Jenkins

Tough

222

1554.1

93

96

.492

1059

358

3.56

Ferguson

Jenkins

Easy

193

1470.1

102

57

.642

1091

294

3.21

                     

Tommy

John

Tough

235

1523.1

89

78

.533

722

431

3.73

Tommy

John

Easy

224

1498.2

96

66

.593

746

399

3.13

                     

Randy

Johnson

Tough

180

1193.2

82

57

.590

1365

471

3.76

Randy

Johnson

Easy

220

1554.1

128

45

.740

1855

503

2.70

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Sandy

Koufax

Tough

112

747.2

55

31

.640

689

249

3.00

Sandy

Koufax

Easy

118

834.2

64

30

.681

948

306

2.58

                     

Frank

Lary

Tough

115

820.0

50

42

.543

398

265

3.57

Frank

Lary

Easy

104

722.0

47

38

.553

371

188

3.45

                     

Jon

Lieber

Tough

109

703.1

40

38

.513

480

139

4.21

Jon

Lieber

Easy

111

696.2

38

42

.475

503

123

4.35

                     

Esteban

Loaiza

Tough

116

718.0

43

32

.573

469

203

4.17

Esteban

Loaiza

Easy

121

733.1

49

41

.544

485

206

4.68

                     

Jim

Lonborg

Tough

124

799.0

48

45

.516

452

258

3.64

Jim

Lonborg

Easy

129

798.0

54

41

.568

489

270

4.24

                     

Greg

Maddux

Tough

234

1523.2

108

80

.574

968

332

3.51

Greg

Maddux

Easy

254

1773.1

127

71

.641

1250

324

2.78

                     

Juan

Marichal

Tough

178

1333.2

90

60

.600

882

288

3.10

Juan

Marichal

Easy

147

1135.0

78

40

.661

757

219

2.64

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Jason

Marquis

Tough

80

472.2

31

28

.525

295

173

4.61

Jason

Marquis

Easy

113

654.2

41

45

.477

389

252

4.80

                     

Pedro

Martinez

Tough

132

888.1

57

36

.613

1008

240

3.11

Pedro

Martinez

Easy

132

875.0

68

28

.708

981

241

2.87

                     

Jack

Morris

Tough

161

1136.0

66

69

.489

712

450

4.14

Jack

Morris

Easy

184

1321.2

100

53

.654

850

452

3.64

                     

Mike

Mussina

Tough

189

1228.0

85

61

.582

988

308

4.06

Mike

Mussina

Easy

180

1195.1

96

47

.671

961

230

3.55

                     

Phil

Niekro

Tough

254

1852.2

98

104

.485

1170

648

3.40

Phil

Niekro

Easy

229

1651.1

102

76

.573

1033

508

3.26

                     

Bobby

Ojeda

Tough

81

501.2

32

30

.516

285

157

3.79

Bobby

Ojeda

Easy

82

515.1

32

30

.516

305

179

4.00

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Vicente

Padilla

Tough

88

528.2

40

29

.580

382

180

4.03

Vicente

Padilla

Easy

64

376.2

26

21

.553

279

123

4.47

                     

Jim

Palmer

Tough

172

1277.0

78

59

.569

665

433

3.16

Jim

Palmer

Easy

180

1357.1

101

40

.716

785

440

2.44

                     

Gaylord

Perry

Tough

257

1908.1

107

99

.519

1202

498

3.18

Gaylord

Perry

Easy

220

1616.1

101

69

.594

1111

391

3.15

                     

Bob

Purkey

Tough

109

754.0

46

41

.529

276

156

3.75

Bob

Purkey

Easy

85

567.2

36

31

.537

212

158

3.95

                     

Robin

Roberts

Tough

170

1243.1

61

80

.433

577

237

3.75

Robin

Roberts

Easy

139

1050.0

69

45

.605

583

170

3.23

                     

Nolan

Ryan

Tough

260

1767.2

93

123

.431

1883

945

3.40

Nolan

Ryan

Easy

255

1811.1

121

74

.621

1964

898

2.85

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Bret

Saberhagen

Tough

120

785.0

54

34

.614

534

159

3.27

Bret

Saberhagen

Easy

126

876.1

54

43

.557

602

147

3.30

                     

Curt

Schilling

Tough

162

1128.0

79

44

.642

1057

240

3.43

Curt

Schilling

Easy

146

1056.1

79

44

.642

1054

194

3.31

                     

Jason

Schmidt

Tough

110

700.0

41

38

.519

581

267

3.57

Jason

Schmidt

Easy

103

651.0

49

29

.628

630

263

3.86

                     

Tom

Seaver

Tough

223

1626.1

87

87

.500

1193

517

3.13

Tom

Seaver

Easy

221

1632.1

121

53

.695

1291

485

2.77

                     

Warren

Spahn

Tough

129

952.2

67

49

.578

395

250

3.36

Warren

Spahn

Easy

147

1129.1

85

43

.664

568

264

2.85

                     

Dave

Stieb

Tough

146

994.1

62

48

.564

575

384

3.31

Dave

Stieb

Easy

129

878.0

53

46

.535

528

298

3.73

                     

Rick

Sutcliffe

Tough

138

925.1

62

50

.554

588

346

3.93

Rick

Sutcliffe

Easy

126

814.0

54

38

.587

552

333

4.15

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

W

L

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Luis

Tiant

Tough

182

1259.2

76

62

.551

823

379

3.34

Luis

Tiant

Easy

161

1126.0

83

40

.675

769

352

2.86

                     

Carlos

Zambrano

Tough

105

662.2

46

29

.613

547

314

3.60

Carlos

Zambrano

Easy

106

653.1

45

36

.556

597

289

3.72

 

 

                As to who was better against weaker opponents. .. .well, most everybody was.   But here is a chart of some pitchers who were/are especially good when the going was good:

 

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Erik

Bedard

Tough

69

383.1

17

30

.362

364

157

4.86

Erik

Bedard

Easy

68

395.0

30

15

.667

405

149

3.17

                     

Rob

Bell

Tough

36

167.0

7

15

.318

93

84

7.98

Rob

Bell

Easy

33

195.0

10

6

.625

125

72

4.80

                     

Sean

Bergman

Tough

35

167.2

6

15

.286

82

69

6.92

Sean

Bergman

Easy

40

232.0

16

9

.640

142

92

4.07

                     

Wade

Blasingame

Tough

47

235.2

12

23

.343

133

119

5.77

Wade

Blasingame

Easy

41

264.0

18

7

.720

151

80

3.41

                     

Vida

Blue

Tough

170

1119.0

63

70

.474

684

409

4.00

Vida

Blue

Easy

147

1039.2

71

39

.645

689

366

2.93

                     

Bert

Blyleven

Tough

232

1615.2

80

105

.432

1189

460

3.79

Bert

Blyleven

Easy

245

1813.2

105

73

.590

1335

468

3.14

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Tom

Brewer

Tough

90

580.2

26

43

.377

267

293

4.32

Tom

Brewer

Easy

72

521.1

42

15

.737

270

213

3.47

                     

Pete

Broberg

Tough

44

243.1

7

26

.212

138

136

5.77

Pete

Broberg

Easy

47

286.0

17

19

.472

159

126

3.65

                     

Kevin

Brown

Tough

155

1008.0

50

60

.455

737

311

3.88

Kevin

Brown

Easy

149

1048.1

77

42

.647

783

251

2.82

                     

Don

Cardwell

Tough

123

734.1

33

65

.337

432

256

4.65

Don

Cardwell

Easy

85

590.1

35

23

.603

351

179

3.16

                     

Larry

Dierker

Tough

118

772.2

36

54

.400

497

253

4.04

Larry

Dierker

Easy

92

659.1

46

33

.582

440

190

2.66

                     

Moe

Drabowsky

Tough

54

303.2

8

30

.211

182

149

5.28

Moe

Drabowsky

Easy

48

309.0

18

19

.486

200

117

3.29

                     

Scott

Erickson

Tough

132

822.1

36

57

.387

406

325

5.13

Scott

Erickson

Easy

129

849.0

61

43

.587

455

286

4.06

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Yovani

Gallardo

Tough

46

270.1

15

20

.429

252

110

4.86

Yovani

Gallardo

Easy

52

327.1

28

11

.718

338

110

2.78

                     

John

Halama

Tough

43

214.2

10

20

.333

123

77

6.37

John

Halama

Easy

38

221.2

22

7

.759

113

58

3.78

                     

Jack

Harshman

Tough

58

341.2

19

27

.413

213

185

4.24

Jack

Harshman

Easy

63

488.0

35

14

.714

314

199

2.75

                     

Tim

Hudson

Tough

150

962.1

58

50

.537

591

321

3.91

Tim

Hudson

Easy

143

972.0

79

28

.738

711

259

3.01

                     

Sam

Jones

Tough

69

432.1

25

35

.417

369

223

4.00

Sam

Jones

Easy

66

501.0

37

12

.755

453

212

2.75

                     

Mike

Kekich

Tough

47

253.0

8

27

.229

147

136

5.62

Mike

Kekich

Easy

41

247.1

16

10

.615

145

101

3.35

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Steve

Kline

Tough

43

257.2

11

25

.306

73

77

4.65

Steve

Kline

Easy

35

264.2

19

9

.679

88

48

1.90

                     

Al

Leiter

Tough

148

879.1

56

67

.455

708

431

4.23

Al

Leiter

Easy

120

750.2

57

27

.679

633

332

3.36

                     

Ted

Lilly

Tough

119

660.1

38

53

.418

546

235

5.02

Ted

Lilly

Easy

102

610.2

44

28

.611

510

183

3.66

                     

Jose

Lima

Tough

89

489.1

23

40

.365

244

150

6.58

Jose

Lima

Easy

85

542.0

39

24

.619

364

126

4.04

                     

Derek

Lowe

Tough

119

711.1

37

54

.407

448

236

4.64

Derek

Lowe

Easy

143

871.1

72

46

.610

535

234

3.60

                     

John

Maine

Tough

28

135.0

4

16

.200

109

76

6.60

John

Maine

Easy

33

193.0

18

9

.667

177

76

3.08

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Doc

Medich

Tough

95

599.2

29

41

.414

273

196

4.68

Doc

Medich

Easy

95

653.2

47

31

.603

335

164

3.28

                     

Joe

Niekro

Tough

179

1093.0

57

78

.422

511

411

4.31

Joe

Niekro

Easy

156

1053.2

71

53

.573

512

353

3.11

                     

Jim

Perry

Tough

147

921.1

48

64

.429

401

309

3.94

Jim

Perry

Easy

182

1237.0

94

51

.648

582

335

3.11

                     

Fritz

Peterson

Tough

123

775.2

40

59

.404

349

165

3.82

Fritz

Peterson

Easy

103

729.0

52

27

.658

340

109

2.60

                     

Rick

Reuschel

Tough

202

1283.0

63

92

.406

762

384

3.75

Rick

Reuschel

Easy

161

1102.1

80

42

.656

634

261

3.13

                     

Dick

Ruthven

Tough

118

714.0

27

60

.310

388

255

4.64

Dick

Ruthven

Easy

108

721.0

56

26

.683

414

265

3.64

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Nolan

Ryan

Tough

260

1767.2

93

123

.431

1883

945

3.40

Nolan

Ryan

Easy

255

1811.1

121

74

.621

1964

898

2.85

                     

Jack

Sanford, Fla

Tough

116

701.2

39

41

.487

391

268

4.22

Jack

Sanford, Fla

Easy

97

693.0

54

30

.643

441

235

2.66

                     

Pete

Schourek

Tough

53

279.1

12

28

.300

188

99

5.51

Pete

Schourek

Easy

72

424.2

30

24

.556

303

142

3.73

                     

Jeff

Suppan

Tough

126

739.0

31

56

.356

394

269

5.33

Jeff

Suppan

Easy

154

927.0

66

45

.595

510

285

4.53

                     

Don

Sutton

Tough

253

1651.0

91

105

.464

1091

432

3.91

Don

Sutton

Easy

271

1972.1

125

80

.610

1335

473

2.83

                     

Brett

Tomko

Tough

81

471.1

22

39

.361

283

169

5.44

Brett

Tomko

Easy

101

629.0

42

28

.600

443

168

3.93

                     

Bob

Turley

Tough

74

462.1

21

37

.362

344

307

4.09

Bob

Turley

Easy

96

680.0

47

19

.712

509

411

2.92

                     

First

Last

Group

GS

IP

Win

Lo

Pct

SO

BB

ERA

Ismael

Valdes

Tough

94

569.1

25

43

.368

366

188

4.76

Ismael

Valdes

Easy

76

516.0

34

25

.576

333

121

2.83

                     

Justin

Verlander

Tough

83

545.2

39

30

.565

517

170

3.78

Justin

Verlander

Easy

73

493.1

47

8

.855

467

143

2.90

                     

David

Wells

Tough

166

1038.1

71

55

.563

588

233

4.65

David

Wells

Easy

169

1173.1

94

37

.718

797

187

3.40

                     

Early

Wynn

Tough

117

762.0

43

55

.439

448

323

4.43

Early

Wynn

Easy

126

947.2

73

28

.723

589

358

2.74

 

                It would be neat, not to mention potentially useful, if we could generalize about the types of pitchers who are more dominant against weaker teams, and those who hold their effectiveness in the toughest starts against the best teams.     While I don’t want to be over-confident here, I would suggest the possibility that these charts show that the Whitey Ford/Tom Glavine/Buddy Black type pitchers do well in the toughest games, whereas the most opposite group dominates inferior competition but does less well against the very best teams.     The Ford/Glavine/Black type pitchers, are, of course, left-handers with good control.    John Candelaria was quite good in tough starts (54-43, 3.45 ERA.)     Ross Grimsley was 35-27 in tough starts, actually a better won-lost record than he had in "soft" starts.   Cole Hamels has been outstanding against tough opponents.   Teddy Higuera was 35-19 against tough opponents, 38-31 against soft opposition.    Bruce Hurst was 48-39 against the toughest opponents.    Jimmy Key was 48-35, 3.58 ERA against the strongest opponents.   Kirk Rueter in his career was 45-30 against the toughest opponents.    Claude Osteen—one game over .500 in a long career—was 67-66 in the toughest games.    Andy Pettitte is "just" 67-53 against the toughest teams, but holds the record for wins in the post season.

                Of course I am cherry-picking the data, and when you do that you can establish any pattern that you think might be in there, but. . .there would appear to be a large number of right-handed power pitchers who have done dramatically better against bad teams than against good teams:   Justin Verlander, Nolan Ryan, Bob Turley, Tom Seaver, Don Drysdale.   Overall, the winning percentage in this study was 120 points better against "soft" opponents than in tough games.  Tom Seaver was 195 points points better (.695 to .500).    Roger Clemens’ winning percentage was 174 points better against "soft" opponents than against strong opponents (.737 to .563).   Bob Gibson’s was 139 points better (.658 to .519).  Jack Morris was 165 points better (.654 to .489).   J. R. Richard was 136 points better (.661 to .525).    Again, I could be imagining it, but that’s the pattern I see.

 
 

COMMENTS (13 Comments, most recent shown first)

evanecurb
Loved the article. Question: Among people who are interested in that sort of thing (which includes me and I'm not sure who else), the 1954 AL season stands out as a season of great divergence: 2 teams with over 100 wins, one (Chicago) with over 90, and everyone else under .500.

It was my impression that the 1950s AL was a league where there was one very good team, one or two good teams, and four awful teams (A's, Browns/Orioles, Sawx, and Senators). It this is true, I would expect Ford and Turley to have few opportunities to pitch against good teams - essentially their starts against Cleveland and Chicago, sometimes Detroit.

So once again, the data shows an assumption to have been incorrect.
11:14 AM Aug 6th
 
Trailbzr
I just put up a Reader Post studying the sensitivity of the W-L records of recent 250-games winners to the quality of opponents. Consistent with the conclusion of Bill's article, the most sensitive were Clemens, Morris, Seaver, Palmer and Ryan; the least were Glavine, John, P.Niekro, Kaat and Carlton.​
9:17 AM Aug 3rd
 
mikewright
On first reading it, I assumed it was Blyleven's homers that made the difference between him and Marichal, but Bert gave up 21 dingers a year to Juan's 23. Their numbers, from a cursory glance at baseball reference's seasonal average seem similar. However, they aren't on each others similarity chart.

I'm too young to remember Marichal and Bleleven never made much of an impression on me one way or another, mostly because I'm an NL guy. Anything that jumps out that might explain the difference?​
9:46 AM Aug 1st
 
LesLein
In the original Historical Baseball Abstract you wrote that Robin Roberts, Ferguson Jenkins, and Catfish Hunter were similar pitchers. You speculated that they probably didn't do well against good teams. Vindicated again.
8:08 PM Jul 31st
 
jemanji
One of your most enjoyable articles. In part because it has "legendary" pitchers front-and-center.

If we conclude that Juan Marichal was more of a "gamer" than Bert Blyleven, where does that leave our belief system about clutch performance? Is that modified at all?

.
4:43 PM Jul 31st
 
smbakeresq
Another example of the greatness of Mike Mussina, he is right in there with best against tough teams and bad teams while playing his whole career in the AL East.
11:05 AM Jul 31st
 
Trailbzr
Bill once pointed out that Nolan Ryan had done poorly against the Orioles (career 10-17) but well against the Royals (24-15), even though those teams were of comparable quality during most of Ryan's tenure in the American League. Bill attributed this to the two teams' walk rates, Earl Weaver Virtues vs. Mailmen.

Using the splits on BRef for .500+ and <.500 teams:

500+ 175-188 .482 3.24 .204/.308/.300
<500 149-104 .589 3.13 .203/.307/.297

So Ryan got good and bad teams to hit about the same against him. That seems a split worth looking farther.
4:13 AM Jul 31st
 
chill
"Seaver is interesting, in that he has one of the best ERAs facing post-season quality teams in road games (2.92), but a very poor won-lost record (13-22)."

Well, that just seems like Seaver era Mets teams. Great pitching, execrable offense (in most years).

9:19 PM Jul 30th
 
Joe foley
Minor correction. Bob Turley won the Cy Young in 1958, not 1957.
8:55 PM Jul 30th
 
bjames
Well. . I think you are better off knowing things than not knowing them. We might find, with more research, that Blyleven's poor record in these very tough games is explained by some other factor. I'm glad he is in the Hall of Fame. But I'm also glad to know that there was a legitimate issue there.

Incidentally, Jack Morris wasn't great in those games, either. Jack Morris in Level 5 games was 38 starts, 14-21, 4.26 ERA.


1:38 PM Jul 30th
 
StatsGuru
It would seem to me the Hall of Fame voters internalized these bad starts. I grew up watching baseball in the 1970s, and Bert never seemed like a Hall of Famer to me. The stats convinced me that I was wrong, but poor performances against great teams should have knocked Bert down a peg. I still think he belongs in the Hall, but this data may explain why it took so long for him to get there.
1:21 PM Jul 30th
 
TJNawrocki
Bill, does this information change your assessment of any of these pitchers' careers? I'm thinking particularly of Blyleven, who was the subject of a strong Hall of Fame debate recently. Does his poor record against quality opponents materially affect the overall value of his career?
12:07 PM Jul 30th
 
3for3
There is a Tony Bandle on Facebook, who appears to be the right age to be your contemporary.
9:18 AM Jul 30th
 
 
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