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October 25, 2011

Two Thousand Words, No Subject

 

            Adam Dunn’s 2011 season is not among the 1,000 worst seasons ever by a major league hitter.   Dunn did hit .159, which is (in a manner of calculation) the worst average ever, but Dunn had more walks than hits, and 41% of his hits were for extra bases.   Contrast that with Bob Lillis in 1963; Lillis hit .198, but 84% of his hits were singles, and he had six times as many hits as walks.  

            Dunn’s season, however, was the second-worst ever for a player with 10 or more homers.   The only worse season with double-digit home runs was Don Wert in 1968--.200 with 12 homers, 37 RBI in 150 games.   OPS:  .556.

            Deron Johnson in 1974 had a .542 OPS, but Johnson had more homers and RBI than Dunn did, in 100 fewer plate appearances.  Andres Thomas (1989) and Todd Cruz (1983) are also candidates for this award.   At least Dunn didn’t steal any watches.

            Also, Dunn’s season was the worst ever for a hitter with his established production level.   The closest parallel to him in that respect is Vinny Castilla in 2000.   Castilla in the four years prior to 2000 had hit .304 with 40 homers, 113 RBI (1996), .304 with 40 homers, 113 RBI again in 1997 (mimicking Dunn’s famous consistency), .319 with 46 homers, 144 RBI (1998) and .275 with 33 homers, 102 RBI (1999).   In 2000, joining Tampa Bay, he hit just .221 with 6 homers, 42 RBI in 85 games.  He was 32 years old, one year older than Dunn, and like Dunn was playing for a new team.   That’s the worst season ever for a hitter of that caliber, before Dunn and not counting Lou Gehrig in 1938.   

            Wert’s season is worse than Deron Johnson’s because it’s a negative season and he had more at bats.   At that level of production, the less you do of it, the better.   You go down as you play more.

 

 

            Brett Gardner in 2010 led the majors in strikes taken, 752, while swinging and missing only 80 times.     This year Gardner was second in the majors in strikes taken, 610, while swinging and missing 83 times.    The top five in called strikes in 2010:  Gardner, Abreu, Scutaro, Barton, Elvis Andrus.    The top five this year:  Dennis Werth, Gardner, Abreu, Fukudome, Pedroia.  

            Mark Reynolds led the majors in swings and misses (435).   Dustin Pedroia led the majors in foul balls (577). 

            Juan Pierre led the majors in both bunts (62) and bunt outs (39).  Erick Aybar was second in both areas.   Pierre was also the toughest player in the majors to strike out.

 

 

            Albert Pujols this year had 37 homers and 58 strikeouts--the best ratio of home runs to strikeouts of any major league player with ten or more homers.   It was the sixth consecutive year he has led the majors in that ratio.   The last year that he didn’t lead was 2005, when he finished second.  Vladimir beat him that year, 32/48 vs. 41/65.  

            Pujols this year failed to hit .300 for the first time in his career (he hit .299) and failed to drive in 100 runs for the first time (he drove in 99).   His Season Score, 343, was easily the lowest of his career; nonetheless, that gives him eleven consecutive seasons with a Season Score over 300.   There are fifteen players in history who have had ten consecutive 300-point seasons:  Barry Bonds (15), Stan Musial (14, considering 1944 and 1946 to be consecutive), Hank Aaron (13), Jimmie Foxx (13), Lou Gehrig (13), Willie Mays (13), Manny Ramirez (12), A-Rod (11), Honus Wagner (11), Sliding Billy Hamilton (10), Harry Heilmann (10), Al Simmons (10), Jim Thome (10), Ted Williams (10, considering 1942 and 1946 to be consecutive) and Pujols. 

            At what point does Pujols become the greatest living player?   About 1970 baseball took a poll of sportswriters to name the greatest living ballplayer.   Joe DiMaggio won the poll.   For the rest of his life DiMaggio insisted, as a condition of his making an appearance anywhere, that he be introduced as the greatest living ballplayer, excuse me, the Greatest (echo) Living (echo) Ballplayer—even if he was being introduced in front of Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Hank Aaron and God Almighty.   When he heard this in the press box Tom Boswell would always ask in mock alarm, "Oh, did Willie die?"

 

 

            Lance Berkman has a unique ability to make whatever uniform he wears look like a pair of pajamas.   I think you could put an astronaut’s suit on him, and he’d look like he was ready to climb into the sleep chamber. 

 

            Do you realize that if the NBA strike goes on long enough, the basketball season actually won’t start until basketball season?

 

            Obvious rule change. . .the NFL needs a rule that a team kicking off is required to kick off in play—that is, not in the end zone, not out of the end zone; on the field.   Kickers keep getting better so they back the kicker up every twenty or thirty years so it’s harder for him to kick the ball out of play, but the obvious solution is just to require that he not kick the ball out of play, isn’t it?   If he kicks the ball out of play, you back it up fifteen yards and kick again.  

            They also ought to get rid of the "illegal block in the back" rule if it’s behind the play on a return and not a dangerous hit.   Once the defender has run past the play and is trying to double back to get to the returner, everybody’s out of position, and the defender isn’t entitled to any special protection.   Why eliminate one of the most exciting plays in the game to defend a guy who is basically out of position and trying to recover?

 

            Not saying they will win the World Series, but. . .I think the Rangers are one of the best teams I’ve ever seen.   Offensively, they’ve got six Grade A weapons—Napoli, Kinsler, Beltre, Hamilton, Cruz, Young—and a very large number of guys you don’t particularly want to pitch to either, like Andrus and Murphy and Moreland.   They manufacture runs better than any other major league team.   They have the best DP combination in the majors.   Their backup catcher (Yorvit) is better than a lot of #1 catchers.   They’ve got outfielders that don’t play that are good players, like Gentry and Borbon.   Their defense is extremely good; their bullpen is phenomenal.   Their starting pitching is underrated; even their back-of-the-rotation guys are really good pitchers.  

            I admire the way they play; they hustle and play with a lot of pride.   They challenge the opposition on an inning to inning basis.   They run the bases aggressively but intelligently.  They seem to enjoy playing.   Their fan base has matured into a loud, enthusiastic, and constant chorus. 

            This organization came through a bankruptcy/front office chaos less than two years ago with no ill effects, just shook it off and got back to work.    I think all around it’s one of the most impressive teams—and one of the most impressive organizations—I’ve ever seen. 

 

            In re the weird story out of Zanesville. . . .you ever been to Zanesville, by the way?   It’s worth going for the churches.   I don’t know if they had a church-building war there or what, but Zanesville has the most impressive collection of old churches you’ll ever see in a town that size in America—or a town twice that size or three times that size.

            Anyway, in re the guy who killed himself and turned loose a private zoo, leading to the deaths of 18 Bengal tigers, or, as the media insists on saying, 18 "rare" Bengal tigers. . ..obviously something happened here that should never happen; I’m not arguing that point.    Obviously people who keep tigers in three-room apartments have a screw loose; not arguing that, either.   We can’t be killing tigers en masse, nor have them roaming the countryside.   We can’t risk things like that happening; we need some sort of societal safeguards against that.

            But the news coverage of this fairly horrific event, in my view, was slanted in a very unproductive direction, featuring

a) every story they could find about some snake that got out of its cage in the middle of the night and killed a baby, etc., and

b)  interviews with self-righteous people who were trying to create the impression that the housing of wild animals with American families is out of control.  

CNN reported with alarm that "there are now more Bengal tigers in private hands in America than there are living in the wild." 

If there are more Bengal tigers living in America than in the wild, that’s a bad thing?   That’s not a bad thing; it’s a good thing.   It’s a bad thing that they’re almost extinct in the wild; it’s a good thing that at least we are keeping the species going in a makeshift manner.  What would be better is if there were three times as many as there are.  What would be better is if there were also more jaguars, cheetahs, ocelots, kangaroos, Hawaiian monk seals and howler monkeys squirreled away here and there—enough to permanently protect the species.   

Look, everybody wishes that we could protect the natural habitat for these species, and we will—eventually.   Eventually, two or three hundred years down the road, we’ll succeed in having areas set aside around the globe where animals are safe.   But until we get there, the more of these animals we have in private hands, the better.   

My wife makes 99% of the rules in our house, but one rule I insisted on, when the kids were small, is that I wasn’t going to have "pets" in the house that aren’t really pets.   Fish, birds, cats, dogs. . that’s fine.   No spiders, ferrets, snakes, gerbils, hamsters; if you would kill the thing if it came into the house on it’s own, that’s not a pet.

But that’s me; that’s a rule for my house.    It seems to me that people are arguing that because I wouldn’t do it, nobody should do it.   Because I wouldn’t want to keep a crocodile, nobody should be keeping crocodiles. 

And occasionally somebody gets killed; that’s terrible, everything possible should be done to prevent that.   But 40 people are killed every year in skateboarding accidents, and we don’t ban skateboards.   God knows how many people are killed in car races, and we don’t ban car racing.   Dozens of people are killed every year in propane tank accidents; we haven’t banned propane.  

If you want to make a rule that people who keep tigers have to have some reasonable amount of space for the tiger to live, some place outside with sunshine and moving water.. .that’s fine; I can support that.   If you want to propose rules to ensure that we don’t have another Zanesville. . .sure.    Even if you want to require these people to register with the city and have the city come out and inspect the property, that’s OK.

But if you’re just concerned about the fact that these animals are in private hands and that people are interacting with them in ways that you and I wouldn’t choose to do. . .Mind Your Own Business.    The more we can do to establish a private trade in rare and exotic animals, the more rare and exotic animals will survive until the efforts to create safe zones for them reach maturity.  

 

 

            Is it just me, or is Tim McCarver having an exceptionally good series?    McCarver has succeeded in saying several things this series that I didn’t know. ..for example, the rule of thumb (he says) is that you pitch away from a hitter when you’re behind in the count and pitch inside when you’re ahead in the count.   That kind of makes sense.

            I’ve never understood pitching patterns; I’ve tried to study things related to that, but I can’t study them because I don’t understand them well enough to get any kind of handle on them.   Anything you can do to help me understand them, I appreciate.

            I’m enjoying the series; the games have been close and exciting except the one where Albert drove in 23 runs, and it’s always fun to see Tony LaRussa stumbling around trying to explain some incomprehensible series of maneuvers.   Ozzie G. and Barry Larkin are really good in the ESPN wrap ups.

 

            Worst major league hitter of 2011:  Reid Brignac.   .448 OPS--.227 on base percentage, .221 slugging.

 

            I know this is irrational, but I’m very disappointed that the illusion of 3D has finally caught on as "3D".   In theory, there is no reason why you couldn’t have television pictures—or still pictures--that are actually in three dimensions.   Nobody knows how to do it yet, but envision a clear Lucite cube with images represented with length, width and depth.  Since the 1960s, I’ve been hoping somebody would develop this before I die.    But somehow it seems less likely since this ersatz 3D or pretend 3D—some faint illusion of depth—has finally caught on. 

 

 
 

COMMENTS (30 Comments, most recent shown first)

rgregory1956
How dare you, hotstatrat, denigrate my childhood hero, Ray Oyler!!! Granted, his OPS+ in 1968 was only 20, but still, three times in his career his OPS+ was 50 or better, reaching a dizzying height of 60 just the year before. Bill Bergen never reached that range, not even once, his career best being only 41. And not only that, in Oyler's one and only World Series plate appearance, he laid down a perfect sacrifice bunt. How many sacrifices did Mickey Mantle have in the WS? None!! The greatest hitter of the current generation, Albert Pujols has NEVER had a sacrifice bunt in the playoffs!! Not one.

I suppose the next thing you'll be trying to sell us is that hitting three home runs in one game (Pujols) or hitting 18 total WS home runs (Mantle) is more important than hitting a skillfully placed bunt (Oyler). Don't you realize how important the little things are? And don't forget Oyler's intangibles!!!
8:17 AM Oct 29th
 
hotstatrat
You are right about Wert. He was the team MVP in 1967. How about that left side of the World Champion '68 Tigers' infield: Wert with an OPS of .559 and Ray Oyler with a .399 O Plus S!

Despite that, they were a great team - perhaps, the greatest up to that point in history. . . Only three teams won more games going back to before the color barrier was broken. Detroit won 103 games during the season. The Yankees in '63 managed to win 104, but that was only two years after expansion. It is irrefutable that the overall skill levels of the average baseball player gets better and better as the years pass - especially during the 1950s and '60s, with probably another acceleration in the '90s and early 2000's, and probably in other decades, too. That average takes a dip after each expansion - hence, the '61 Yankees with 109 wins and the '69 Orioles and Mets with 109 and 100 wins respectively. But then you have more teams developing more players and the overall dillution over a few years is very little.

There was the 111 game winning Indians in 1954, back when not all teams were integrated and those Indians were swept in the World Series. The best team ever before the '68 Tigers was actually the 101 game winning '67 Cardinals - nearly the same team Detroit beat in the '68 Series.

Some matters to argue:
1) How much better was the National League than the American League? (somewhat in the '60s and '70s, but not so much other than a few superstars? . . . the opposite in recent years?)
2) How much has the average player improved each year? (My estimate is that typically a team full of average players would finish 1/2 to 1 full game ahead of the previous year's average team if they played 162 games against each other).
3) How much do you want to consider other methods of measuing a team's greatness such as pythagoren W-L record, the success of the team over a multi-year period, or consider the team's players and smooth out their outlying good or bad years? How much should a team's post season perfomance weigh compared to their regular season? Etc.

In the Tigers' case, they did have mostly very good players (Mickey Lolich, Earl Wilson, Bill Freehan, Dick McAuliffe, Willie Horton, Jim Northrup, Mickey Stanley) who peaked all around the same time with Don Wert aging a bit too quickly and Norm Cash staying close to his prime a bit longer. Denny McLain was a young two year superstar who peaked in '68. Al Kaline was the one long lasting superstar, but on the down slope of his career (not counting Eddie Mathews and Elroy Face at the end of their careers). John Hiller and Pat Dobson were the only young players with their best years yet to come. A young Darryl Patterson and an old Don McMahon provided additional excellent relief. Although, Detroit with predominantly this group was a very good team from '65 to '73, the '68 team was a sharper peak compared to the Yankees up through '64 and the '63-'71 Cardinals. Of course, the Reds of the 1970s were a far greater team, but that's another story.​
1:52 PM Oct 28th
 
Trailbzr
bjjp2, you think after tonight's game, people will miss the NBA any more than they did the NHL in '04?

1:46 PM Oct 28th
 
bjjp2
Reading this a couple of days late. Just wanted to point out that the NBA is having a lockout, not a "strike," and yes, there's a difference.

12:52 PM Oct 28th
 
evanecurb
Don Wert in 1968 and Todd Cruz in 1983 were both starting third basemen on world championship teams. Wert had an off year or actually a sudden decline; Cruz was a bum who benefitted from the Orioles' irrational trade of Doug Decinces to the Angels two years earlier and their failure to find a suitable replacement (Glenn Gulliver, Leo Gomez, and even a 39 year old Aurelio Rodriguez were tried at the spot).
9:51 AM Oct 28th
 
hotstatrat
Very sorry, I was being rushed and didn't read over for typos carefully enough. Although "downed" works almost as well as "drowned".
11:05 PM Oct 26th
 
trevjrose
The REAL worst player of the 2011 season: Eugenio Velez. 0 hits in 37 AB. He did have 2 BB and 1 HBP, leading to an OBP of .075. He probably had the worst offensive season in history for any player with a minimum of 40 PA: .000/.075/.075.
11:03 PM Oct 26th
 
hotstatrat
Actually, the two moments I happened to tune into the opening game, McCarver was incredibly irritating - even for him. At the top of the 7th, McCarver went on and on and on and on about how Washington should be using Yorvit Torreabla as his pinch hitter instead of Gentry and then German. a) in all his whining he never actaully made a case why, except to say that the Rangers added a 3rd catcher to their roster to free up Torreabla for this role; b) of course, he gave no credit to Washington for possibly having some notion of what he is doing; c) he completely detracted from the drama of the close game; d) Yorvit Torreabla? Seriously, he is worth that fuss? Then still only down by one run in 9th inning with two outs and a full count on Mike Napoli - the top hitter over the past X months, McCarver is pattering on about how often a team wins a World Series when they lose the opening game on the road or some such meaningless stat (it wasn't even a surprising number, whatever it was). The drama of the moment was completely downed out.
6:30 PM Oct 26th
 
flyingfish
Thanks, Hankgilette. Bill, I'm sorry, I don't accept your reply as a valid argument. You didn't really address any of my points. Really, a blanket statement that private trade in rare and exotic species is good for the species just isn't a responsible or reasonable statement. Here are my difficulties with your reply.

First, you provide no evidence for what you wrote, either originally or in your reply.

Second, although you reject my suggestion that the nature of the trade needs to be defined, in fact it does. I think most people wouldn't know enough to dig deeper or to ask questions. Some kinds of trade might be good for the animals, but I'm extremely doubtful that in general it is. I have spent a fair amount of time reading and thinking about these things, and my cranky comment wasn't prompted by any weakness in my argument; it was prompted by weakness in yours, at least incompleteness.

Third, there is abundant evidence of private trade in rare and exotic species being based on overexploitation of wild populations; many cases involve tropical fish, birds, and so on, and they have had major negative impacts on the wild populations. Often, collection of tropical fish for the aquarium trade involves poisoning reefs and sometimes even blowing up the reefs (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0530_030530_nemo1.html). You might want to look at the private trade in American eels in North America, for example, for bait and for food; it seems to be a major factor in driving those eels to dangerously depleted levels.

Fourth, I don't know where those 18 Bengal tigers killed in Zanesville came from. No news story I've heard or read provided that information. Ohio, according to the news report, currently has no regulations on such trade. If you know where those tigers came from, I think you should tell us. It matters.

Fifth, there is a Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITES). Most countries of the world, including this country, are parties to the convention. If the international trade complies with CITES, then there is certainly significant potential for good to accrue to the species. But this qualified statement really is a far cry from what you wrote.

Flying Fish

3:43 PM Oct 26th
 
mvandermast
Regarding this year's Rangers: For whatever it may be worth, their players led the majors in total Wins Above Replacement, a.k.a. WAR (Fangraphs version): orioles-nation.com/2011/10/03/is-war-accurate-2011/

According to the article, the correlation between WAR and 2011 wins is .88. If I recall correctly, Bill's basic version of Approximate Value (AV), an incomparably simpler metric, had a .92 correlation with wins. I know AV gave credit for pitcher's wins, but still...
2:34 PM Oct 26th
 
BringBackTriandos
Mark Reynolds may have led the majors with 435 swings and misses but one of those was a bad check-swing call.
2:07 PM Oct 26th
 
DanaKing
Palmer can be arrogant, but I've always thought he was as good an analyst, especially for pitching, as I'd seen, even back in the days when he was doing national games.

Three man booths are often talkathons, but a booth with a pitching expert and a hitting expert flanking the play-by-play guy could be great, assuming they all had the right personalities.
1:55 PM Oct 26th
 
BringBackTriandos
The most interesting commentator related to pitching is Jim Palmer, who does some of the Oriole games on MASN. He provides insightful comments on pitching mentality, pitch selection and (intended) location. He even questions why pitchers threw certain pitches (and why catchers called for those pitches). Best I have ever heard in terms of pitching.
1:05 PM Oct 26th
 
hankgillette
Bill,

Telling you to what not to write does seem to push your buttons. If you've always found that when people tell you to shut up that “you’re on to something important and you should follow through on it”, I'd say that makes you unique. Sometimes when people tell me to shut up, it’s because I am saying something really stupid.

If flyingfish had said “You’d have to be an idiot to think that private trading of rare and exotic animals is a good idea”, would that have made it any more palatable? I think it’s indisputable that there have been numerous instances where collection of wild animals has been harmful.

I don't know that every instance is to the detriment of the animals. There is a difference between collecting an animal in the wild and buying an animal that is the offspring of captive animals. Some animals in private hands got there because zoos have become so successful in their breeding programs of some species that they produce more animals than they can take care of.

There are private game reserves where the goal is to help save the species, and there are private reserves where the goal is to allow rich hunters to come in and shoot semi-tame animals. It's hard to know what the overall balance is, but in the case of endangered animals, having more live individuals would seem to be a positive thing, assuming they are allowed to stay alive.
12:51 PM Oct 26th
 
hankgillette
Scott,

I wasn't aware that the NFL was trying to reduce the number of kickoff returns. From a safety standpoint, I suppose it makes sense, but it makes for less entertaining football.

I don't want to be in the position of advocating less safety on the field, but football at the pro level is such an inherently violent game, where do you draw the line? Some changes for safety's sake seems to have unintended consequences. There are claims that the hard shell helmet increases some injuries because it allows players to be more aggressive with using their heads in contact.

Your suggestion of moving the kickoff point forward and requiring the ball to land in play has some merit, although I doubt shortening the kickoff distance by 5-10 yards would prevent NFL players from reaching full speed before a collision. You would also lose the excitement of a kickoff return of greater than 100 yards.
12:34 PM Oct 26th
 
bjames
Responding to Flying Fish.. ..I appreciate your guidance. People have been telling me to shut up for 35 years now. I’ve always found that when you get that reaction, you’re on to something important and you should follow through on it. Traditional thinkers are dimly aware of the weaknesses of their community paradigms, and they lash out with anger and rudeness when you get close to whatever it is they are trying to cover up, responding to rational arguments with obviously irrational ones (ie, confusing a trade in live species with poaching of animals in the wild.) I appreciate your guidance.
10:35 AM Oct 26th
 
mrvino
How do I loath Tim McCarver's voice? Let me count the ways... I will spare you the ways, as I am growing older and time is valuable. However - For each time I hit the "mute" button when Fox shows the cast of their next bad TV series (thank goodness the cast leaves by the 6th inning), I hit it 3 times when Tim opens a topic with something like "Of course Mark McGuire will never fully get the steroid issue behind him because someone always brings it up".
8:51 AM Oct 26th
 
flyingfish
On private trade in rare and exotic animals, you wrote: "The more we can do to establish a private trade in rare and exotic animals, the more rare and exotic animals will survive until the efforts to create safe zones for them reach maturity."

You really didn't think about that before you wrote it, did you? What kind of trade? People have been privately trading rare and exotic animals for food, fur, feathers, and so on for a very long time, and it's always to the detriment of the animals. Even if it's not for lethal uses of the animals, where are they getting those animals to trade? Often, they are simply poaching, killing the mothers and stealing the cubs, again to the detriment of the animals. There are times--this is one of them--when I really wish you'd stick to baseball.
8:34 AM Oct 26th
 
ScottSegrin
The NFL has been rather open about their desire to reduce or even eliminate kickoff returns as a safety measure. That's why they moved the kicking spot up this year. I would move the kickoff up even further - to the 40 yard line or even 45 and institute your rule that the kick must land in play. The shorter distance would reduce the number of high speed collisions, the onside kick would be a more attractive play, and the receiving team would have the advantage of never having to return a kick out of the end zone. This would make the kickoff more of a finesse skill - like a field goal where you have to kick the ball to a specific area rather than just kicking it as far as you can.
6:35 AM Oct 26th
 
Zeth
Trailbzr: an important reason not to just start the offense at the 30 after a score is, you don't want to eliminate onside kicks. They are exciting, and they're an important mechanism to give a team well behind some faint hope of coming back. I think such mechanisms are important to the health of a sport.

(And in fact moving the kickoff spot up a few yards makes the surprise onside kick a slightly more palatable play, which is also a good thing.)

If we accept the NFL's goal is to dramatically reduce the number of kickoff returns while NOT eliminating kickoffs altogether... well, I think the NFL has pretty much accomplished what it wanted to.

I do wonder if it wouldn't be a good strategy to try and train your kicker to kick the ball high and to about the 5, rather than just blasting it through the end zone like everyone's doing.
9:44 PM Oct 25th
 
bjames
If the ball is kicked into the field of play and bounces into the end zone, that's fair. I was concerned that the receiving team have an OPPORTUNITY to return; not that they have to return every ball. Kickers will get to be really good at making the ball land at the two and bounce into the end zone, but. . .that's fair.
4:00 PM Oct 25th
 
Trailbzr
Yeah, I read they did this to reduce KO returns to 60%, because so many injuries occur on that play. If they're going to do that, why not just start the offense at the 30 after a score?


2:26 PM Oct 25th
 
SkeptiSys
They just moved the kickoff spot back up to the 35 yard line, from the 30, which is why there are so many more obviously wasted kickoffs this season.

1:06 PM Oct 25th
 
hankgillette
Another way would be to change to spot point based on the kick. A kickoff that goes out of the end zone on the fly would be spotted on the 30. A kickoff that bounced out of the end zone (or wasn't returned) would be spotted on the 10 (or 15, the 10 being a pretty bad hole).
12:31 PM Oct 25th
 
Trailbzr
The Canadian end zone is also 20 yards deep, so that's a lot less of an issue.
12:20 PM Oct 25th
 
hankgillette
Apparently the rouge point is not scored on a kickoff that goes completely out of the end zone, so such a rule might not have that much effect on the problem Bill was discussing.
12:18 PM Oct 25th
 
hankgillette
Your proposed NFL rule change requiring kickoffs to be in play: how would you handle a ball that lands on the field but bounces into the end zone? Kickoff receivers already let kickoffs go out of bounds rather than try to return them so they can take the penalty.

It seems to me that your proposed change is punishing excellence, kind of like when the NCAA outlawed the dunk because Lew Alcindor was really good at it.

How about adding an incentive for the receiving team not to allow the ball to go out of the end zone (or to not return it out of the end zone)? Canadian football has the rouge, which gives the kicking team a point for every kickoff or punt that goes into the end zone and is not returned out of the end zone. They could also ban kicking from a tee, which would tend to shorten the distance of kickoffs.
12:07 PM Oct 25th
 
redsox2004
It's sort of become popular to bash McCarver-understandable in a way. Over the years and through thousands of broadcasts, he has said some dumb things. All announcers do. When he's on, he is still great. He really adds value when he discusses pitching to hitters. I have more of a problem with Fox's overall approach, which never eally captures the rythym of the game.
10:10 AM Oct 25th
 
DanaKing
I'll grant McCarver that one; I was not aware of that aspect of pitching patterns. On the other hand, he also said major league pitchers also work mostly in and out as opposed to up and down, yet I've heard many other analysts talk about "changing the betters eye level" and "working up the ladder."

Personally, I think he's been awful. Wrong names of players (Buck is getting bad at this, too. I think they're too busy horsing around and asking Derek Holland to do impressions to actually read their scorecards.), and his little bon mots are horrible; even my wife points them out now.

He's done nothing to approach the level of a couple of years ago, when he uttered the words that will live with me forever: People don't realize, once you drop the bat, baserunning is the primary way to score runs.

How he's been the primary analyst on (I think) every network for over 20 years is a mystery. It was fun watching him try to explain why LaRussa brought Lance Lynn in just to walk a better, though.
9:52 AM Oct 25th
 
Trailbzr
On kickoffs having to go into play:

Wouldn't baseball be a lot more interesting if a batted ball over the fence was foul? Was the sport ever more exciting than Whitey's Cardinals?

Gorman Thomas ball, in which most ABs are resolved in the batters box (K, BB, HR) doesn't hold a candle to plays in the field.
9:35 AM Oct 25th
 
 
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