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A-Rod, Steroids

February 9, 2009
 
In light of yesterday's revelation that Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids, here are a few random thoughts about the steroid era.
 
Pity the Children
 
Jason Stark posted an article on ESPN.com calling the use steroids an “insane act of self-destruction,” and arguing that the steroid era is the worst fiasco in sports history.
 
Mr. Stark is a fine writer, but the article, which boils down to how America’s innocence has been permanently lost, is bunk. Stark writes: “[T]he sport, as a unique paragon of American culture, is devastated.” Later he adds: “So weep not for what A-Rod has done to himself. Weep for what he has done to his sport.” 
 
The problem with sportswriters is this: they think sports are some simulacrum of what life should be like. They think sport represents a great striving of the human spirit, and imagine that all athletes embody the highest of virtues.
 
And it’s silly. Sports have never been above the moral fray. At best they are a bellwether of the larger social climate. When the Black Sox scandal happened, it happened at a time when dozens of American institutions were ravaged by similar corruption. When baseball integrated, it integrated because America was shifting to a new era of racial integration. When baseball had a drug problem in the 1980’s, it was because the entire country was having a drug problem.
 
It is naïve to hold the expectation that men gifted enough to play sports possess higher moral qualities than the rest of us. And here’s the thing: no one really thinks this. No one, as Stark suggests, is really weeping about the fact that A-Rod used steroids. There aren’t a bunch of heartbroken Little Leaguers’ who are going to turn to a life of crime because of this, because even really little kids have the capacity to recognize that an ability to play baseball is not inherently equitable to one being a paragon of virtue.
 
But sportswriters are constantly harping on about steroids is ruining baseball. They’re trying to best each other on how disappointing A-Rod is, about how much the soul of the game is marred by these revelations. And, quite frankly, it’s getting a little old.
 
Dante Was Right

To the idea that the steroid era in baseball is worse than the Black Sox scandal: again, I don’t buy it.
 
In The Divine Comedy, Dante depicts Hell as having layers: the worse the sin, the deeper in hell you go. Falling prey to lust gets you an eternity in a bad storm, but killing Julius Caesar means Satan gets to chews on you for all of eternity.
 
This makes an intuitive sense: we all recognize that certain crimes are worse than others. But how should we order those crimes? Which is worse, throwing a game of baseball or using steroids? Where does throwing a spitball rank?
 
To me, the distinction is obvious: cheating to win baseball games is bad. But cheating to lose games is far, far worse.
 
Some folks like to argue that Gaylord Perry deserves to get tossed from the Hall of Fame, because he willfully threw a spitball, a pitch that is against baseball rules. What I don’t understand is how Perry’s actions are any different than a pitcher who uses a balk-move to first base. How is it any different than a catcher who willfully blocks home plate without being in possession of the baseball? How is Perry different from Nolan Ryan, who talked about doctoring baseballs in his autobiography, or Whitey Ford or Yogi Berra, who used to spit tobacco juice on baseballs to take out the shine?
 
The thing about Gaylord Perry is this: he skirted the rules that were in place. When he was caught, he suffered whatever consequences were in place. When he wasn’t caught, he used that advantage to win baseball games.
 
To kick Perry out of the Hall of Fame seems silly: it would be a retroactive response to a player who recognized a flaw in the system and used that flaw to his advantage. Which is an absolutely necessary component to all sports. If players couldn’t seek advantages, if they couldn’t try new things, the games would stagnate and quickly die.  
 
This seeking of advantages is exactly what A-Rod and the rest of the users did: they recognized that the system was flawed, and made use of it. Which, contrary to what most writers suggest, isn’t anything new or special.
 
That doesn’t mean I think steroid users should get off with a slap on the wrist. If I had a vote I’d suspend anyone found using for a year, without pay. But that wasn’t the rule: there was no rule because there was no way to find users, and no way to punish them. And I see no justification for punishing individuals with the sanctimonious bullshit that gets churned out about the likes of Bonds and McGwire.
 
What Joe Jackson did, and what Pete Rose could have done was far worse: their actions actually did undermine the game. Their actions went against the fundamental conceit of sports, which is that you will do whatever you can to help your team win.
 
Reader Tim Connelly has a fine article about the contexts of the 1919 World Series, which is both interesting and insightful. It makes an interesting argument for Jackson, which is that we must consider Jackson’s actions within the context of the times. It’s an interesting argument, but I can’t accept it. Whether or not he chocked the World Series, Jackson took money and made promises that set his interests against his team’s. Same goes for Pete Rose: in gambling on Reds games he created a scenario where his interests could potentially come into conflict with the team’s interests.
 
To my mind, it’s obvious which is worse. Cheating to win games, cheating to be the best, is as old as the game itself. Throwing games, or establishing scenarios where you are actively working against your team’s interests is far, far worse.
 
A-Rod
 
The term ‘scapegoat’ comes from an old Yom Kippur ritual. In Jewish tribes, the people would cast the sins of their community upon a goat, and then drive the animal off into the wild. Sometimes it was a symbolic placing, and sometimes they would attach symbolic objects, or actual slips of papers, to the goat. Then they’d gather rocks and make sure the poor goat knew it wasn’t wanted. 
 
I was thinking about this the other day, and it occurred to me that Alex Rodriguez is baseball’s scapegoat.
 
Remember the time Joe Torre dropped him from the lineup during the ALDS? It was a blatant scapegoat move: the Yankees were tanking in the postseason and Torre went and made a big show of calling attention to A-Rod’s, who was 0-for-something then. It was a class act by a class clown: a cheap way to divert attention from the team’s failing. And it worked. Suddenly the Yankees losing wasn’t the team’s fault: it was A-Rod’s fault. He was the failure. He wasn’t a real Yankee. 
 
Same thing holds true for the whole Jeter thing. A-Rod, when he came to the Yanks, willingly gave up his position to a far worse defensive player. He did so with one snarky, completely true comment, and suddenly A-Rod is a pariah for offending the vulnerable soul of Captain Intangibles, whose gross arrogance at playing shortstop costs the Yankees at least three games a year.
 
He was scapegoated in Texas, because it was his fault the management of that team thought one player would make them contenders. He’s the whipping boy for outrageous baseball salaries, the guy permanently linked to the other absurdly-made media devil, Scott Boras. Even though he is the biggest reason the Yankees make the postseason, it’s his fault that they haven’t won a World Series in thirty-two minutes.
 
Alex Rodriguez is the most thoroughly disliked player of this generation. He is more disliked than even Bonds, who was at least cheered on by Giants fans. He is ripped by the press every time the Yankees lose. He’s booed by fans, and publicly humiliated by his manager and teammates. His private life is scrutinized to the point that everyone in the world gets the chance to play amateur psychiatrist whenever his name shows up on the back page of the papers.
 
For what? What is the purpose?
 
So we can look at his failings, his 0-for-whatevers, his errors, and for a little while ignore all of the minor failings of our own lives. We can read about that one stupid thing he said about Derek Jeter, and we don’t have to think about the myriad of stupid things we say all the time. We follow the sad dissolve of his marriage and stand in self-righteous judgment of his trists, and for a while we can forget our own deceits, our own insecurities. So we can be absolved.
 
Alex Rodriguez is our scapegoat. He is that upon which all of us cast our sins. And now baseball has a chance to pin the steroid era on his shoulders, which is exactly what they’ll do. The writers will all race to say what a sure-fire jerk A-Rod turned out to be, and they’ll continue to harp on about all the ways he’s ruined baseball. And the Commissioner’s office and the owners and the Player's Association, those three entities most responsible for this entire steroid mess, will stand idly by. They’ll make no apologies for their own complicit role in this whole shabby fiasco. They’ll launch no investigations into how and where this information is being leaked. They’ll stay quite as baseball’s scapegoat is kicked around again, because after all, that’s what a scapegoat is for.
 
(Dave Fleming is a writer living in Iowa City. He welcomes comments, questions, and angry rebuttals here and at dfleming1986@yahoo.com)
 
 

COMMENTS (46 Comments, most recent shown first)

WinShrs
I know this sentiment is two years later, but HALLO-FREAKIN-LUJAH!
9:23 PM May 15th
 
jollydodger
A-Rod's situation is part of what makes being famous suck. It's part of the deal. It's part of why they're paid millions of dollars, to put up with this crap.
10:37 PM Mar 9th
 
ventboys
Kevin....

The point about Arod isn't that he didn't do anything wrong. It's that he is held to a ridiculous standard that nobody else in baseball has to deal with, and that the national media spins everything that he does in the most negative possible light. It's not really about Arod himself. It's about how he is covered, and the fact that he is subjected to scrutiny that no other player has to face. It would be like a spelling bee, where everyone else gets to spell "cat" and Arod is given some 6 syllable word that nobody has used in 200 years. When he screws it up, all the "cat" spellers jump up and say "see? I told you he was stupid....."
11:00 PM Feb 28th
 
keving18
So, since there is corruption outside of baseball, we are to accept corruption inside baseball? Now there's a position of integrity and vision.

His only failings were his O-fers and and his errors? How about he cheated at his profession for at least 3 years in a row?

I can only guess, Dave, that you graduated with high honors from the College of Nihilism, with a major in apathy and a minor in moral relativism.
11:35 PM Feb 19th
 
BruceG
Great article. You're an extremely talented and thoughtful writer. When is your book coming out? My analogy would've been that it's high school all over again. Jeter is the coolest guy--the leader of the "in crowd", and the sportswriters are all the wanna-be's, who hand around feeding Jeter's ego, hoping to become cool themselves, while heaping scorn on A-Rod--the class nerd. They've been mightily worried by the nerd's accomplishments, but now, with the nerd's confession, they can make their hero's flame burn brighter, by mis-characterizing the accomplishments of the nerd. However, I have to admit, I like your scapegoat analogy a lot more than my own.
12:00 AM Feb 17th
 
ventboys
If you haven't been here in awhile, you wouldn't have heard of our bar. It's the Star. It used to be the Chef. It was remodeled in 2001, and we got really lucky with the growth of Gonzaga University. Enrollment tripled, probably because of the success of the basketball team. I don't deal with the Stocktons, I met the sister a couple of times and, as I said, they weren't good meetings. the "poser" reference isn't so much her, but the usual syndrome that comes with celebrity. J&Ds charges almost twice as much for a typical drink than we do, and they get away with it because there are plenty born every minute.

I was a huge John Stockton fan while he played, but I've never really cared about meeting sports figures. I only really care about what goes on between the lines.
10:54 PM Feb 16th
 
schoolshrink
ventboys, I knew the Stockton family when I lived there. I talked to John off and on when I saw him, and knew his younger sister when I saw her. I am sorry to hear, if that is the correct sibling, the adjective of one's choice would apply to her, though I cannot say I am surprised. It would be tough to live in his shadow and feel like she had to act out just to be seen and heard. And I understand that John did not conduct himself with any grace around people with whom he did not want to associate -- Woody Paige mentioned he could not stand him when following the Dream Team. But such is very typical of families like that: those in the wake of the 'star' feel privileged by association. In her situation, that attitude is unlikely to pass, particularly as John is raising his family there. She would need to have it in herself to develop her own identity, and like Paris Hilton she would have no incentive to change. (Well ... bad example: the Stocktons never made it for their looks, that's for sure.) I remember she talked about wanting to study sports medicine, but doubt if that ever came to pass. Their parents were really nice people, and very low profile. As I recall, Jack and Dan's never had a picture of John at the bar -- is that still the case? I appreciate that their parents wanted to maintain a bit of their roots in the way they handled John's fame 20 - 25 years ago, but it is too bad if the rest of the family forgot from where they came.

For four years I lived in Mount Vernon and frequented a downtown bar where the brother of Mark Hendrickson hung out. The Hendrickson's just seemed like great people. When I knew his brother, he was going about his own business while his brother was playing for the Sacremento Kings and was considering a career with the Toronto Blue Jays. As time passed, his brother had a fairly successful career while Mark made a successful transition from the NBA to MLB. When Mark was drafted by the Philadelphia 76ers in 1993 I will never forget Hubie Brown's comments about his family, how well grounded they were in spite of setbacks that they had to manage. They maintain their own identities, and Mark eventually became a successful journeyman pitcher. Theirs was an example of how a family with a successful athlete should model themselves.

I am trying to think of the bar where you work -- is it Geno's? Wasn't that a pizza place? I have not been there in years, as I quit drinking. Maybe I will stop in when I am in town sometime.
7:01 PM Feb 16th
 
schoolshrink
ventboys, I knew the Stockton family when I lived there. I talked to John off and on when I saw him, and knew his younger sister when I saw her. I am sorry to hear, if that is the correct sibling, the adjective of one's choice would apply to her, though I cannot say I am surprised. It would be tough to live in his shadow and feel like she had to act out just to be seen and heard. And I understand that John did not conduct himself with any grace around people with whom he did not want to associate -- Woody Paige mentioned he could not stand him when following the Dream Team. But such is very typical of families like that: those in the wake of the 'star' feel privileged by association. In her situation, that attitude is unlikely to pass, particularly as John is raising his family there. She would need to have it in herself to develop her own identity, and like Paris Hilton she would have no incentive to change. (Well ... bad example: the Stocktons never made it for their looks, that's for sure.) I remember she talked about wanting to study sports medicine, but doubt if that ever came to pass. Their parents were really nice people, and very low profile. As I recall, Jack and Dan's never had a picture of John at the bar -- is that still the case? I appreciate that their parents wanted to maintain a bit of their roots in the way they handled John's fame 20 - 25 years ago, but it is too bad if the rest of the family forgot from where they came.

For four years I lived in Mount Vernon and frequented a downtown bar where the brother of Mark Hendrickson hung out. The Hendrickson's just seemed like great people. When I knew his brother, he was going about his own business while his brother was playing for the Sacremento Kings and was considering a career with the Toronto Blue Jays. As time passed, his brother had a fairly successful career while Mark made a successful transition from the NBA to MLB. When Mark was drafted by the Philadelphia 76ers in 1993 I will never forget Hubie Brown's comments about his family, how well grounded they were in spite of setbacks that they had to manage. They maintain their own identities, and Mark eventually became a successful journeyman pitcher. Theirs was an example of how a family with a successful athlete should model themselves.

I am trying to think of the bar where you work -- is it Geno's? Wasn't that a pizza place? I have not been there in years, as I quit drinking. Maybe I will stop in when I am in town sometime.
6:31 PM Feb 16th
 
Kev
For Ventboys and anyone else:

Yes,I meant 2010, not 1910.Thank you for the correction.

And no,we don't just forget it and move on. Before Charles Manson was caught, would you say forget it and move on? Yes, a huge degree of difference there, I concede that, but the principle is the same. I think fans should say, as did Vito Corleone, "this I do not forget." Some accountability is needed, and I've usd all of my tissues up on the tearful and insincere apologies. Beginning in 2010, those proven guilty will have made a career-ending decision, and be barred for life. I would be astonished if that deterrent didn't succeed.

5:36 PM Feb 16th
 
ventboys
Mike, that was intense. BTW, I work at the best bar in the triangle, and you didn't even mention it. Jack and Dans is for posers, and John Stockton's sister is the main reason. She is a (insert ugly word here), I have dealt with her personally, and a good number of our customers have commented on that. The Bulldog is ok, but they don't do a thing to advertize, or spend any money to entertain. They feed off of the Gonzaga teat. I work at the other place. The place that is called a "karaoke dive" in the local garbage paper. Jack and Dan's gets the press, the Bulldog gets some reflected Gonzaga glory. At my bar we don't care, because we get them all at the end of the night, and we get most of their money. We don't advertize. We don't have to. It's the rare night that we are not full, while the famous places are closed down early.

I really liked your post, though I don't agree with all of it. I doubt that God could write that many words that I would agree with in totem....
3:24 AM Feb 16th
 
schoolshrink
ventboys, curiously, what bar do you work at? The Bulldog? Jack and Dans? By the way, I am all about the children. Let them see athletes for what they are, and we will not think of them as our heroes. They are people who play a sport really well, and get paid handsomely because of the market for it. Can I have your vote?

nettles9, If Bill really said athletes are paid to be our heroes, I wonder where he said it, when, and if he could redact it if he could. Athletes are not heroes. They have never been heroes. They have skills that give them money, power, and fame. And they are forgotten about quickly when they lose what they once had, which is why Brett Favre, Roger Clemens, et. al., have so much trouble letting go. To say they are paid to be heroes is like saying Charles Barkley was paid to be a role model. He was never paid to be a role model, and though I can live without Charles at least he was honest about it.

In this respect, baseball is going to render itself irrelevant, or certainly less relevant, unless MLB gets a better handle on its product. To me, a bigger threat to baseball, than steroids and possibly even fixing the games, is the utter boredom of the sport as perceived by future generations of Americans. The game is more and more international, which I actually like, but the more the sport is inundated with athletes to whom we cannot relate (i.e., more and more come from places the average fan cannot find on a map, and have names the average American could not begin to pronounce.) At least baseball can depend on nicknames like Dice-K when pronouncing the real name won't work, but how many Daisuke Matsuzaka's are there going to be before we quit caring who they are? (I had to google his name just to be sure I spelled it right.)

What about the children? Our children will be playing the 100 terabyte version of the i-phone, or something like it. There will always be baseball players, in our country and elsewhere, but if Thomas Friedman's theories in his book, 'The World Is Flat' are to be applied to baseball the sport will be threatened in just the manner as our other businesses will be that cannot adapt. Baseball's biggest problem is its staunch rigidity to change when the world has long since changed around the sport. That is what led the sport to be impacted by the steroid era, as well as Tommy John and Lasik surgeries, new bats, and other changes MLB and the public have taken for granted well after their impact has been realized. I am not saying I want a baseball version of the X-Games, but MLB needs to do something to make the sport more relevant to our next generation, and hero worship is not part of the equation.

To me, baseball games today are places for rich, or at least middle class young people with income to spend on baseball games a place to pick up other young people who are eager to live at the same financial level. That, and a place for jerks who feel a need to swear at whomever they want because of some right they feel they have just for being there. And those who cannot afford to attend will care less and less about the sport, particularly as there are more forms of entertainment than ever to take away from the sport's popularity. In this economy, especially should we sink farther into recession and possibly a depression, our children will not need baseball to fill a void in our lives.

Question: Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio? Answer: Six feet under. And no one under sixty could care less about you. Woo Woo Woo. The same will be said about A-Rod in twenty years. For baseball to be relevant, there needs to be competitive balance throughout the league, and seeing teams like the Rays and Phillies emerge is exactly what the sport needs. We want to see Cole Hamels and Evan Longoria play, and for teams other than the Yankees and Red Sox. If the teams win, we will care for the guys who play for them. If we are in a losing market we want to believe we can get guys like that one day. And we will look to those guys as players we were glad to have had, and remind ourselves that our heroes are fighting overseas or doing other selfless things to make the world a better place.
1:34 AM Feb 16th
 
timconnelly
Dave,

This is the best article I've come across on this site- really fabulous!
9:23 PM Feb 15th
 
evanecurb
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
8:40 PM Feb 15th
 
ventboys
I learned a long time ago that whenever a politician talks about protecting the children, the last thing on his mind is protecting the children. The first thing that I reach for is my wallet (to make sure that I still have it), and then something heavy and hard to hit him with, to keep the bastard AWAY from my children.
8:17 PM Feb 15th
 
ventboys
I'm assuming that you mean 2010. My own idea would be a 1 year suspension for a first offender, 5 years with the opportunity for early reinstatement in 2 for the 2nd, and lifetime expulsion for a 3rd offense.

This is apples and oranges to the Barry Bonds/Arod situation. That particular problem is retroactive. Since required and "judged" testing didn't start until 2004, to retroactively punish them makes no sense, for several reasons.

Yaknow, is it any wonder that nobody will come forward until they are forced to, and even then they are evasive and probably still lying? Ask your kid if he did steroids. Wait, first tell him that you are going to RUIN HIS LIFE if you find out that he did. Good luck getting the truth.

How about we leave what's already done alone, and move on? Nobody is going to protect their kids by punishing anyone from the distant past anyway, and the message that is sent is counterproductive to the goal.


8:11 PM Feb 15th
 
Kev
Dave,

I agree rhat gambling is a greater danger to baseball than steroids, but that's precisely my point. The steroids problem has everyone concerned about the game, records, HOF, etc. The health of the game isn't the issue; the health of the kids is.

How to fix it? I don't know; the bad guys seem always seem to be ahead of the chase. I'd do this: for those already guilty, penalty should be applied. But their guilt must be proven. Let MLB, if they have the courage, apply suspensions, but--now let's get to the 500-lb. gorilla: beginning with the 1910 season, proven users should be barred for life. That's right, that tough--that way the choice falls equally heavy on potential users. I believe the incidence would be reduced drastically with that deterrent, and the game and society would benefit. But MLB must fully commit. Rigorous testing, without notice must be carried out. What does it say about the MLBPA or the Suits if they oppose it? If the fans are educated and brought on board as to the remedy and it's need, don't fear that they'll stay away: they'll show up more than ever to see clean players play. I don't believe we've reached the point where parents care more about the game than they do about their kids.

Thanks for the forum.
4:28 PM Feb 15th
 
nettles9
"Athlete are our heroes. That is their job." -- Bill James.
4:02 PM Feb 15th
 
ventboys
Rob Neyer posted an article the other day, which is a must-read for anyone that believes that Baseball has sanctity issues.

Re. Steroid use by amateur players, As a bartender in a sports bar near Gonzaga University, I've had discussions with several people about this locally. The typical converstation:

Soccer Mom (or variations, people with teenagers in sports, I'll shorten it to SM)- "How can I tell my kids to not take steroids if Barry Bonds is taking
them?"
Me: "Is he playing against Barry Bonds?"
SM: "Funny. What if the other players in his team or his opponents are using? How can he compete?"
Me: "Needle up, it's a tough world" (ok, I didn't say that)
Me: "get involved with the coaches and administraters, talk to other parents, and GET THEM TESTED, get all involved to agree to this at the Junior High level, if you have to."
SM: "But what do I do about Mark McGwire?"
Me: "Is he in your league?"
SM: "My kid idolizes Arod, should I get him a Pete Rose jersey instead? He didn't have anything to do with steroids...."
Me: "Pete Rose was living with a convicted steroid dealer for 3 years, beginning while he was chasing the all time HITS record. This dealer, who Rose claimed was his BEST FRIEND, threw Rose under the bus for a much more serious crime, to mitigate another drug bust."
SM: "How is betting on Baseball games worse than steroids? Isn't steroid use the worst thing ever?" (every version of this is different, I paraphrased)
Me: "There is only nothing that a player can do on a baseball field this side of assault that is worse than manipulating the outcome. Sports have died, or become spectacle rather than honest competition, because of this. Boxing, Wrestling, Horse Racing, these sports will never gain credibility as pure competition again, because of successful attempts to fix outcomes. Wrestling doesn't even try any more at the Professional level, hasn't for many years. Baseball was able to restore it's status as pure competition in wake of the 1919 World Series, but another serious fixing scandal would be expodentially more damaging than steroid use. Actually, the steroid "scandal" has never really affected Baseball revenues, and it almost certainly never will."
SM: "Why does this beer taste like cat urine?"
Me: "Here, let me put some tomato juice in there....."
1:56 PM Feb 15th
 
DaveFleming
You're right Kevin: the 'use or lose' philosophy that young atheletes face is a serious problem, one that I didn't intend to dismiss.

However, the solution to preventing young atheletes from using steroids isn't to punish the A-Rods and Palmieros of the world. The solution is to establish rules that drastically punish the use of steroids, and insure random testing to enforce those rules.

And let's recognize that young atheletes do have a choice in all of this. It might be a difficult one, but it is a choice.

Lastly: I'll stick by my guns that Rose/Jackson were far worse than A-Rod/Bonds. One way to look at it is this: let's say that at the peak 10% of players were using steroids. I think it's safe to say that baseball has survived that peak with no lasting effects. Fans still come to the park.

If 10% of ballplayers were throwing games, baseball would die a quick death. You can be certain of that: when every error or strikeout would call into question the motivations of the players, the game would lose all meaning. If 5% of players where throwing games, baseball would die out.
10:30 AM Feb 15th
 
Kev
Dave, I thought you were on to something with "pity the children." How can you write a column about steroids, scapegoats, and gambling, and say that what Rose and Jackson did was worse than the steroid problem? You miss the point which is that kids in all too many cases must "use" or lose. This stufff isn't salt pills; it can harm your body early or late. It can kill you. Gambling? An equality? Certainly not, but you make it the worse crime, and classify the steroid problem as not nearly as serious.

You say Dante was right, but only state the obvious i.e.,that there are degrees of crime, but from that starting point you veer into a morass of cheating to win or cheating to lose. You make a subset of cheating, and ignore the dangers inherent in steroids. Which crime gets the lowest bowge: crimes by adults against adults, or crimes by adults against kids? When you see the grotesque facial change in Tejada, and the sudden massive increase in Bonds's skull, think this: if that's what happens on the outside...
12:00 AM Feb 15th
 
Ron
Only disagree on one thing, Baseball, can not pin this just on A-ROD...
It is on Bonds...McGwire.. Selig..Clemens...etc...etc Its just A Rods turn...
In my opinion, the only name that history will show to be atfault will Be Bud Selig... The names of the user's will be tarnished, but it happened on Bud's watch, he turned a blind eye.... and now he is upset...what a hypocrite
12:27 PM Feb 14th
 
DaveFleming
THBR: I'm just curious what Cobb and Anson did to keep them from your Hall of Fame. Is it their racism?

And does Ruth get a pass for using a corked bat? Or Aaron for amphetamines?
10:42 AM Feb 13th
 
THBR
I hope I understand the point you're making, and I'd like to offer a mild correction (in my case only -- I don't know about the other people): I don't suggest throwing Gaylord Perry out of the HoF, I simply feel he shouldn't have been voted in in the first place. The same for Cap Anson, the same for Ty Cobb. Of course that would leave the HoF mostly unpopulated, so I can see where my viewpoint isn't so popular. But after all, it IS a Hall of Fame, not a Hall of Rule Abiders ....
6:24 PM Feb 12th
 
evanecurb
Michael:

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I understand your point much better now and I am in agreement. I believe that league, union, and team officials should be taken to task for their complicity in allowing rampant steroid use to occur throughout the nineties. Why sportswriters, sports talk show hosts, former players, and fans have chosen to focus their collective ire on a handful of players (in particular Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, A Rod, Sosa, and Palmeiro) frustrates me to no end. Keep these six out of the Hall of Fame? Who cares? As you suggest, their enablers and co-conspirators get to keep all of the money they have been raking in. It is easy to understand why they are not interested in focusing more attention on the problem than they already have. I think the sports media and baseball fans should be screaming for the collective heads of Selig, Fehr, Orza, Alderson, and others who turned a blind eye for so long. Why not demand their resignations? Why not ban them from baseball? And why no public outcry in favor of HGH testing? If we fans really cared about PEDs, we would demand that the DEA (not Congress) subpoena all athletes who have either tested positive or have been shown to have used PEDs, and this time the subpoenas are accompanied by a grant of immunity from prosecution in exchange for truthful testimony. The fact that Marion Jones and now Tejada have been convicted of perjury will ensure that at least a portion of those subpoened will tell the truth and will name names. If any action had been taken when Fay Vincent, Thomas Boswell, and others suggested it, then it is likely that Bonds, Clemens, and A Rod would never have started using in the first place. It could have been dealt with effectively by the mid nineties.

1:26 PM Feb 12th
 
schoolshrink
Evan, my conclusion that the steroids era is helping to mask the fiscal inequalities in the sport is simply that -- a conclusion. For me, it is reasonable to ascertain that when profits are up, a business will do whatever possible to maintain that level of profitability. The steroid issue is a problem when considering the integrity of the game, if only because some players are gaining an unfair advantage, but to MLB it is a small price to pay to maintain revenues. Thus, the focus becomes one of looking at A-Rod, Giambi, Knoblauch, Pettite and a lot of other guys who do not or have not played for the Yankees, as opposed to looking at the teams themselves. The Yankees have collected marvelously as a result of having these players, and now get to play in a billion dollar stadium where they will charge obscene sums of money to fans who do not care that their team's players have been juiced in the past.

Also, considering that A-Rod's test results were exposed, why would any real fan think MLB would offer a reliable, consistently managed system for testing and sharing steroids test results to the players and public in the future? The league could not even manage to maintain secrecy of its own research on the matter, and why would anyone have faith that they would manage, properly and consistently, a steroids testing program? It is not in the league's best interest to see A-Rod or any other star player booted for 50 games should they be caught today. Heck, they even held information about Palmerio until after he got 3,000 hits. Why not draw attention to that hit streak, never mind that he lied to Congress about using steroids just months earlier? He had his contract, and the team needed to make their money. Again, the smokescreen is this: steroids as an issue focuses us on those players who are using and not the teams themselves who are as complicit in allowing juicing to happen. Whether you agree with that conclusion, or whether I have argued it well enough, would be your choice. It would be no different than hypothesizing on a thesis or dissertation of the explanation for one's results when another observer would offer a different impression.
11:05 AM Feb 12th
 
Hartzdog
I have to agree with Dave. We expect sports players to do whatever it takes to win the game. When people use steroids, doctor the ball, or "blood dope" in cycling, they are trying to gain an advantage--they are being competitors. It is when players cheat to lose that sports becomes farce. That crucial element in sports, the uncertainty of the result, goes missing, and what we are watching is simply athletic theater.
Moreover, we even glorify someone sacrificing their body when it happens on the field, when they suffer pain and injury to help their team win (how many players have risked permanent, often debilitating consequences by playing in a game when they were already injured--this happens most often in football, but also in baseball--remember Pedro Martinez's heroics in game five of the 1999 ALDS in Cleveland, or Curt Schilling's bloody sock). Yet for some reason we condemn people who sacrifice their body off the field to help their team win by using steroids (even now, or course, we're not sure how serious the consequences of steroid use are or, if used properly, whether there are any long-term drawbacks to steroid use). Why is it that one the field, the body is a tool made to endure constant punishment, yet off the field it must be a pristine temple? If we're really worried about kids' bodies, shouldn't we tell them not to play contact sports at all?
Moreover, this can't simply be a stance against changing your body to get an edge. Players today lift weights, take protein shakes and various other supplements to make their bodies better able to hit, throw or catch a baseball. The game has changed irreversibly because of this trend. Why, then, do we single out steroids as the one activity to be condemned? Why is taking steroids cheating? Don't we usually reward athletes who take the extra step and are willing to suffer permanent injury in the name of victory?
9:31 AM Feb 12th
 
evanecurb
Michael:

I don't see where you established a connection between steroids and the masking of revenue inequity. I don't think revenue inequities are masked at all. On the contrary, I think the average fan is well aware of the advantaget that the large market teams enjoy in this area. By the way, I am an Orioles fan, and revenue isn't their biggest problem. Angelos is a dolt. Things are getting better with McHale in the front office and if Angelos allows him to do his job, they will improve.
11:32 PM Feb 11th
 
ventboys
You make a very good point, Mike. Bill addressed this issue in the new BJHA, pointing out that the rules for revenue sharing predate the explosion of local TV revenue.
10:40 PM Feb 11th
 
schoolshrink
I am not the baseball fan that I used to be, but it is not because of steroids. To me, the problem with steroids is that it shields baseball from the fiscal inequity of the sport. That baseball continues to be so financially uneven constitutes the greatest unfairness in baseball, and not because some players are shooting up to get an advantage.

We love accepted medical procedures in this society. Will John Smoltz get into the Hall of Fame, or Tommy John? I hope so, if only because I was a fan of theirs as players, and they had great careers. Both players also had medically enhanced careers, just as did anyone else with Tommy John surgery, Lasik surgery, or by injection of HGH or testosterone, whether or not legally. For me, if I am a fan of a player I do not care much about what made that player successful. That guys will do what they can to get an advantage has been stated ad nauseum on this web site and elsewhere. Baseball is better off now that they have regulated steroid use, but now the league has lost its credibility as the players cannot trust that the way they are regulating steroids will be done fairly. Like John and Smoltz, I am an A-Rod fan and do not care about when and how much he used steroids. Using steroids to justify his contract, by thinking he needed them to manage the pressure of having to perform, though against the rules was understandable. MLB, the Rangers, and the rest of the league collected handsomely, A-Rod collected a quarter billion, and the Royals, Pirates, Orioles and a few others still had no chance of being competitive.

It is the last part, the lack of competitive balance across the league, that has made baseball so depressing. In 1986, Bill wrote 30 pages on his experience of being a Kansas City baseball fan. Even though the Kansas City A's were run like a Yankee farm team, they could have been successful if they did things differently. Eventually, Kansas City won a championship because they had players who were good enough. (Don Denkinger did not hurt either.) For the last fifteen years, they have returned to the level of the old A's and I, at least, have less faith that they will ever be successful than perhaps Bill did when he was growing up.

The biggest problem with steroids, for me, is that they offer a smokescreen for such inequality. Baseball will continue to make a killing when the stadiums fill of fans who want to watch A-Rod. And the weaker organizations will continue to have no chance of being competitive. Like you said in your article, fans really do not care about players on steroids. We want to enjoy the game, and we cannot really do so if our teams have no chance of being competitive.
3:24 PM Feb 11th
 
lar
Current Win Shares:

Mike Schmidt - 467 WS
Alex Rodriguez - 407 WS
3:12 PM Feb 11th
 
ventboys
One other thing about ARod's position: He will be 34 in July, and it's possible that he will move across the diamond to first in a couple of years, though that might be tough with Tex over there. 3 years is a long time in baseball, though. A lot can happen. Hell, he could be a DH, or move back to short, or to the outfield. He could even be...

traded?
12:56 PM Feb 11th
 
DaveFleming
To Ventboy's comment about where A-Rod will rank:

A-Rod has 1272 games at short, 752 games at third. Which means in another four years he'll have more games at third, and will be ranked with the 3B's in the 2020 BJHA. It is unlikely he will ever move back to short.

As to whether A-Rod will rank ahead of Schmidt, that's a very interesting question. And they have similarities: both were fine fielders, neither did well in the postseason and neither was particularly loved by their hometown fans. It's worth it to glance at their win shares, which I'll get around to doing sometime. They have the same OPS+: 147.

If I had to guess, I think your right that A-Rod will come out ahead of Schmidt, if only because A-Rod will end up play about 500-800 more games than Schmidt did.
9:40 AM Feb 11th
 
ventboys
Yaknow, guys that populate this site (and others that take into account all of the factors affecting the numbers) probably have less of a problem with the steroids era than the mainstream media, for the simple reason that they (we) can see the numbers for what they are.

Henry Aaron hit 755 homers, but isn't viewed as being the best homerun hitter in history. Pete Rose had the most hits, but he's not viewed as the best hitter in history. ARod or Manny or whomever will set records, but those records won't be viewed as direct evidence of their superiority. Bobby Thigpen held the saves record for almost 20 years, but that season wouldn't even rank in the top 10 of historic reliever seasons, would it? We can see the numbers in context. Mainstream media has a problem with this, mostly because their chief required talent is presentation, not analysis.

Because of the high offensive numbers, the bar for Arod's "greatness" is set much higher than it was in Mike Schmidt's time. While ARod might set a bunch of career records, important records, I think intuitively we all know that he is not going to be the greatest player ever, or even close.

My own guess is that he will be ranked #2 alltime at short, with Jeter 3rd, in the 2020 BJHA, his overall rank around 20th. If he's ranked at 3b, my guess is that he would still rank 2nd behind Schmidt. If he adds a couple more MVPs though, he cracks the top 10. He has virtually no chance of getting past Honus, but he might pass Schmidt.
1:18 AM Feb 11th
 
evanecurb
Haven't read Torre's book, but according Rob Neyer's column on espn.com, that book reveals that A Rod has a tremendous work ethic, much more so than the other Yankee headline players. Post game lifting, extra fielding practice before games, lots of running and treadmill time, etc.

One other thing: Some of the reports this week in the media mention that A Rod has a chance to become the greatest ball player in history. Any of our readers agree with that assessment?
10:46 PM Feb 10th
 
DaveFleming
To Evan's point: I had a paragraph about the 'phony' issue, which I took out because it didn't fit with the flow of the article. Also: it was mostly pop-psych stuff that will stretch anyone's patience

Anyway, the gist was that A-Rod, far from being phony, is probably the most transparently real person in sports. With A-Rod it is completely obvious what he wants: approval and validation. He wants it to an almost pathalogical degree.

Think about it: why date madonna? Of all the women he could have a relationship with, why choose her? And why re-sign with the Yankees? Why stay in a place where you've been nothing but miserable? Why continue to grin while jerks like Torre rip you to the press? Why NOT bitch when that same guy drops you to seventh in the lineup during the postseason?

The only reason is because he still thinks there's a chance he'll be liked. He thinks, by staying above the fray, he'll win approval.
7:22 PM Feb 10th
 
evanecurb
Dave:

I agree with the observation that A Rod is a scapegoat, but disagree with the reasoning behind it. Some athletes have charisma (Jeter, Shaq, Jordan, Elway, Favre, Ripken); others don't (Maddux, Chauncey Billups, Marvin Harrison). I can't explain it but that's the way it is with fans. The first category consists of guys who ARE popular, sometimes without even trying, because of the manner in which the fans perceive their personalities. The latter category consists of guys who aren't that popular but don't try to change that. A Rod falls into a third category: the guy who wants to be popular, wants to be looked up to, but isn't, and the more he tries to cultivate an image, the more phony he is perceived to be. I think that, rightly or wrongly, A Rod is perceived by the fans to be a big phony - a guy who tries to be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods but falls short through no fault of his own - he doesn't have charisma. Apparently it is something that you either have or you don't. It isn't fair, but he should stop trying to cultivate any sort of image because for some reason his efforts to do so come across as staged, phony, and people hate that.
6:34 PM Feb 10th
 
BigDaddyG
What a fantastic column. Spot on
5:27 PM Feb 10th
 
DaveFleming
Thanks, Shrewed Honus. I don't know how I messed that up. It was originally written 'Day of Atonement,' but then, for some inexplicable reason, I made it Passover instead of Yom Kippur. Mea culpa.
3:37 PM Feb 10th
 
Trailbzr
Yeah, I think a lot of the wrath is directed toward the desecration of Baseball's Hallowed Numbers. Since I personally take more interest in the sport as a team game, it hardly bothers me if some aging sluggers on .500 teams hit a few extra home runs, far from the view of the pennant race. I'm more concerned that some teams might not have made the postseason because the stars on other teams were cheating.
3:17 PM Feb 10th
 
benhurwitz
A cursory look at the internet has the scapegoat associated with Yom Kippur, not Passover.

1:47 PM Feb 10th
 
ventboys
Dave, I wonder now if the scapegoat effect might boomerang on the ARod haters. I've already seen a couple of "poor ARod" type articles. It's like one of those cases when you are angry, then furious, all worked up in a lather over nothing, and then something truly bad happens and you end up sitting there with no more adrenaline, unable to maintain the anger at all. A calm comes over you as you hyperventilate, allowing reason and logic to creep in...
12:43 PM Feb 10th
 
chuck
Fine writing and thinking, Dave. Thank you.
I think the level of vehemence directed at Bonds, McGwire, ARod, etc, has to do mostly with records; with those hallowed numbers 61, 714, 755. And those records would not have been approached had not the ball been changed in the 90's. The rate of homers increased by 30% and it wasn't gradual. It happened in '93. If you take 30 pct of Bonds' homers since '93 away, you get 176 prior, and 450 after that year. 616 homers. I doubt if he'd be drawing the attention he has with that number. Sosa would be at 477. Palmeiro at 460. And ARod at 425.
McGwire. 70 divided by 1.3 = 54. Bonds. 73 divided by 1.3 = 56. Not going to ruffle feathers with those numbers.
Yes, there would be plenty of controversy on these guys' worthiness for the Hall, but not nearly the level of outrage.

And now with ARod, what you are hearing and reading now is anger, as in denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Since he came out with it, people had to skip right over denial. It's the grieving process for people who hoped for a legitimate home run champion of all time and now have to face facts.
But had they not changed the ball, or had it been more widely publicized they had, these players would not be facing the same level of writer and fan wrath as they are. The records wouldn't have entered into it at all.
11:45 AM Feb 10th
 
Richie
Jason Stark, like all professional writers, is overwrought sometimes because he's paid to be overwrought sometimes. Will eventaully be dropped from his job unless he's overwrought at least sometimes. Overwrought sells much, much better than underwrought, or regular grade wrought.

Oh, and speaking of being overwrought, Dave ...
11:36 AM Feb 10th
 
lar
Great post, Dave. And I agree with everything 'ventboys' has to say about it. You did express exactly what I was thinking in a much better way than I could.

Something else that we should remember is that we, as fans, enjoy the sport for a lot more than the home run or any one player's feats. I know my memories about baseball, and my enjoyment of the sport, are a lot more than just the one grand slam that I've seen A-Rod hit or the two Opening Day home runs I saw Bonds hit in LA in 2002 (though those are good memories).

I wrote this the other day (http://wezen-ball.blogspot.com/2009/02/steroid-mvps.html): "We may have played a part in all of this - we did buy all those tickets once the balls started flying out of the park - but the game isn't only about the home run record. It's about what we get from it - the experience of going to the park, cheering for our team, slapping palms with friends and strangers, sharing our passion with our kids - that keeps us coming back.

There are countless moments that I can remember as a fan from the last 10 or 15 years - from flying up to Seattle's new Safeco Field to see Cal Ripken play for the first time in my life, to meeting certain special people for the first time outside the ballpark, to seeing Craig Counsell catch a ball that bounced off the Miller Park roof during Game 4 of the NLDS - that tell more about why I love baseball than any one Barry Bonds or Alex Rodriguez home run ever will, and those memories needn't be wiped away in an ill-advised wish to "clean the slate." Certain aspects of the game need to be reviewed and placed into proper perspective, but our enjoyment of the sport and the joy that we have received from it should not just be thrown away. We are more than the home run, and that shouldn't be forgotten."
10:40 AM Feb 10th
 
ventboys
Oh, and you pointed out that the problems that baseball has historically faced are generally the same problems that society in general has faced. Not to be a snob, but in many cases baseball has been forced to face them before society, and baseball has, in many cases, had to face them first. Baseball has cleaned house more than once, with the rest of the world following suit.

Football is more popular, but Baseball will always be the more important sport to society. Football is a ritual, a celebration of our animal side. Baseball is not a ritual, but a reflection of our civilized side. As long as we aspire to a higher, more civilized world, Baseball will lead the way.

Ok, that was a bunch of crap. There is something there, though, and guys like Dave will figure out how to write about it and make us understand. Write away Dave, or the ignorant will take over....
2:17 AM Feb 10th
 
ventboys
Dave, if you were a woman I would stalk you. You hit this one so spot-on to my own frustrated-I-can't-get-anyone-to-get-this thinking, and said it much better than I could say it, that I wonder why the mainstream media can't seem to get this. I still believe that they eventually will, or that they do get it but are afraid to say it out loud. Nobody wants to be the dissenter during a witch hunt.

One point: I watched the ARod interview, and he stumbled on one phrase more than any other. He said that he had to prove that he was, was, was.....

A great player.

What he was obviously saying was that he had to prove that he was....

Worth 252 million dollars.

BTW, before game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, Arod's career post season numbers were as good or better than anyone in history. Look it up. He is still pretty good overall, even after that horrible slump. Joe Morgan hit under .200 in the postseason in his career, in something like 200 atbats. It happens.

I am a defender of ARod, but not some numb fan. I am a fan of logic, and your article here is one of the most heartening things that I have read in my life. There is hope. Ok everybody, for chrissakes LISTEN (ok read) to this....
2:05 AM Feb 10th
 
 
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