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February 23, 2009

                At various times and with various levels of dementia, I have played pretty much every possible fantasy sports derivative: fantasy football, survivor pools, fantasy playoff football, football Pick ‘Em games (against the spread and straight up), fantasy college football (individual players) and fantasy college football (teams); fantasy basketball, fantasy college basketball (teams and players), NCAA pools, NIT pools, Women’s NCAA pools, and in a less than proud moment for Sean, a Women’s NIT pool; I have long-standing fantasy hockey and golf teams, and every year, 3 of my friends join me in drafting teams for a fantasy Champions League game based on the performance of soccer teams across the pond. I’ve tried fantasy NASCAR and fantasy BassMaster, picked World Cup and European Championship teams to win it all and look forward to the Olympics every two years for the sheer number of fantasy options associated. Who will win the most medals? Which country will take the steeplechase? Which athletes would you want on a team if world records were a category?
                I’ve played games based on salary caps, on drafting, on auctions. When truly bored, and with some inspiration and help from my friends, I have combined the sheer dorkery of all facets of fantasy and burned hours in the process. One weekend, on a rainy beach trip with 4 of my friends, we bought a few pizzas and quite a few more beers and held the First Rehoboth Smash Brothers Invitational Tournament.
                Super Smash Brothers Melee is a video game made for the GameCube, basically a fighting game with Nintendo characters. Picture Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter with Mario, Luigi, Kirby and Link. One of the modes is a 64 player tournament reminiscent of the NCAA tournament, and like its distant relative, is a great time-killer and entertainer. It can also, much like March Madness, break your heart, as dominant efforts can be overturned by one last second three-pointer, or in this case, an unlucky Poke Ball releasing some form of devastating Fire Horse just as time is about to run out with you clutching a small advantage. Needless to say, it’s addictive as hell and my friends and I carry an old GameCube and some controllers around wherever we go in case of bad weather, or a crazy case of Jiggly Puff Mania hits us. This trip was no different, and we decided to hold the tournament of all tournaments, with insane amounts of skill and luck equally rewarded.
                First, we held a poker tournament between the five of us, based on an H.O.R.S.E. rotation of fixed limits. The order of finish would come into play in deciding where in the bracket each of our characters would be placed. Before that, though, we needed to pick our characters. And what better way to do so than an auction? Each of us received 100 chips to bid on the 25 characters humans would control (the remaining 39 would be computer controlled players set to the highest level). Each of us, in turn, would nominate one of the 25 available characters and start the bidding. The person who bid the highest won control of the character for the duration of the tournament.
                Depending on the skill level of the human players, there are about 10 clearly superior characters in the 25, and 5-6 completely useless ones. This forced different strategies on different people. I am a middling player with most characters not named Jiggly Puff, Marth or Roy, so I decided to go all studs, devoting my 100 chips to getting those three characters, which I accomplished with 3 chips to spare (spent on Young Link, who is, in my great estimation, the worst character ever created for any fighting game in history). My best man Andrew, more versatile and skilled overall, bought 9 different characters, mostly the players that no one else wanted. Once all 25 characters were owned by one human controller, it was nearly time to actually hold the tournament.
                The last step was to draw up a traditional bracket, with 64 open spaces. In order to fill those up, we conducted a serpentine draft (based on the poker tournament held earlier) where each human player would place one of his characters in the bracket. Once all of his characters were placed, the “drafter” could place a computer character at a chosen place in the bracket. As all of the computer characters were set to the highest level, it was usually best to set computer characters that you didn’t match up well against in a different part of the bracket, preferably against a friend who also didn’t match up well.
                After all of these steps, the actual playing of the tournament might have seemed anti-climactic to some, and to those of my friends who were eliminated entirely in the first or second rounds, it probably was. But the hard work and sheer amount of inane steps that it took me to acquire Marth and place him in the appropriate quadrant, setting up a spirited run to the Finals…well, it was all worth it, and made the experience that much sweeter. Of course, it was even sweeter when I WON the second tournament held under the same rules and spilled beer all over my head in celebration like I was a late ‘90s Yankee.  I still have the poster board where we wrote up the entire tournament, with my name circled in the middle as the winner.
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                I enjoy competing, in things both meaningful and otherwise. Fantasy sports allow me to exercise that competitive streak with complete strangers in the safety of my own home, where violent outbursts and deep personal shame at losing can be contained and hidden. They also allow me to lord my victories over friends’ heads, for much longer than most would consider appropriate or, really, humane.* The sheer diversity of possible fantasy options ensures that I will never go hungry for a league or game, no matter the time of the year.
                Still, fantasy baseball is my favorite. Always has been and likely always will be. Fantasy was created for baseball and baseball was created for fantasy. Fantasy baseball is simultaneously the highest quality game and the most diverse and flexible. It rewards strategy and knowledge while maintaining an ease of play and understanding that allows newcomers to compete immediately. The underlying sport is played daily, so there is always news to watch, results to pore over and moves to make. The permutations of categories possible are innumerable, and each combination can attract a specific subset of aficionado.
                In short, fantasy baseball is the perfect fake sport. Much like real baseball is the perfect real sport. Symmetry in motion, or something.
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                I know there are those who feel differently, naysayers who hate fantasy sports and detest or mock those who peddle its wares or consume its unnaturally delicious goods. The argument against these fogeys used to be simple: “If you don’t want to play, no one is forcing you. Why does it matter that I enjoy it if it no way affects you?”**
                Unfortunately, things are not quite so clear anymore. Fantasy has permeated the sports culture, primarily in football, with that last sanctum of sports purity*** defiled by a stats scroll running along the bottom of your screen. Fantasy players and supporters have finally thrown the punch, extended their arm past the nose of the naysayers. People Against Fantasy (PAFy) can no longer simply ignore it and enjoy their sports without it.
                So it’s hard to blame those who make fun of “nerdy statniks” who, in the complainer’s opinion, don’t even care about the game, or only follow players on their fake teams, because we ARE encroaching on their game, and forcing them to sit through fantasy discussions during the underlying games. Discussions that, admittedly, frequently border on drivel and are akin to being forced to listen to poker bad beat stories. So I feel for them a little.
                The best I can offer is that my enjoyment of the game is probably greater than their displeasure, that I do follow the sports for reasons other than fantasy (unless it’s BassMaster) and that I would actually prefer that the “value added” from fantasy stats on the screen be subtracted. Small consolation, but so it goes. This race is not yet run, let alone won, but I suspect the tide will surge more in fantasy’s direction before it ever recedes.
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                Even those that enjoy fantasy baseball have their preferences, with disagreements over which type of league is more fun, more challenging or both. When I first broached this topic on the Reader Boards here, I was not terribly surprised to find that those interested in a BJOL league wanted something a little more esoteric than a standard 5X5 rotisserie league with the old faithful categories (R, HR, RBI, SB, BA, W, K, SV, ERA, WHIP). I don’t hold it against very smart baseball fans to want very smart baseball games, but I wonder if maybe we don’t lose something in the process of smartening up a dumb game.
                I have played a great many variations on fantasy baseball, including a standard 5X5 as well as a league with categories like triples, pickoffs, sacrifice flies and fielding percentage. I found that, as you standardized the rules and the categories, you (a) increased competitiveness and (b) increased the number of strategies available to participants. For these two reasons above any other, I think standard category games tend to be more fun.
                Not everyone can rationalize a league based on EqA or Win Shares, or how much a particularly bad or good +/- rating might affect your team. More importantly, as you decrease the variance between ACTUAL ability/worth and worth in the game, you decrease the useful player pool. I, for one, like a world and a game where Willy Taveras is a member on a team somewhere. Strategies invoked to increase speed at the expense of power and other production are lost in a fantasy game that, like real baseball, tends to emphasize real production over athletic, fast guys. It’s a given, and unfortunate.
                More than anything else, I think I like fantasy baseball because it’s NOT REAL BASEBALL. It doesn’t value players similarly (or correctly), it doesn’t keep score the same way and it doesn’t require an Epstein-like brain to succeed. There are as many different avenues to success at fantasy baseball as there are leagues to play in, and the real pleasure in the game (for me, at least) is finding those, not properly assessing baseball players’ true worth. I fully admit that I may be wrong, and it may make me a fantasy Luddite, but give me a league where 8 of the 10 categories are largely useless in real-life player evaluation over a league where the player rating reads like a VORP list from top to bottom.
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                All that being said, I am nothing if not a pleaser. I know that there are plenty of options for standard leagues elsewhere, and a lot of you guys are itching for some pure SABR-toothed leagues. Thus, I am announcing the first Inaugural BJOL Fantasy League. The format is entirely to be determined by the participants, both here in the comments and, eventually, through email.
                If you are interested in bringing me down, or want a shot at Dave Fleming (and perhaps some other fellow writers, if they are so inclined), drop a line in the comments or email me at demedici@gmail.com. I will post here a running list of participants, as well as suggestions for the format of the league. While setting a time for a traditional live draft might be out of the realm of possibility, we are far ahead enough in the game to consider it, or any other possibilities. Category choices, rules setups, and possible platform choices are all in the air. So I lay down my very feeble gauntlet and will commence trash talking shortly….
 
 
* Yes, I am still referencing my 2005 Fantasy Football victory when my 7-7 team snuck into the playoffs, only to make a mad dash through the bracket and steal the fake trophy. While still an excellent inside put-down of my friends, it’s also the reason I hate fantasy football, as randomness triumphs far more frequently than in any other fantasy sport.
** You could, if you were feeling particularly pretentious/annoying that day, drop some J.S. Mill on the fogey , going all Harms Principle on him. Depending on how annoying you want to be, you could also point out that John Locke (non Lost division) and von Humboldt agreed with Mill. So shut up and let me draft.  
***You know, unless you think steroids, murder and mayhem are impure.
 

 
 
 

COMMENTS (45 Comments, most recent shown first)

jollydodger
I feel you on J.S. Mill - utilitarianism is IT.

In high school, my friends and I did fantasy baseball old-school, by hand during class, checking box scores. I'd add it up EVERY day and they'd be responsible for checking to see if I was accurate. It was rotiserre, so they'd have a daily total and ongoing season total. I had a folder containing everything - rosters, trades, the newspaper, etc. I'd give them updates between classes. I loved it. I miss it. All of this internet fantasy baseball takes the work out of my hands. Needless to say, we were all about it.
5:50 PM Mar 8th
 
PHjort
Sean, I didn't receive an invitation, phjort@gatech.edu
6:33 PM Mar 3rd
 
SeanKates
If you have not received an invitation, I don't have your email, or have conveniently lost it. I think the 3 not yet invited are:

Dave Bates
bokonin
Lance
10:39 AM Mar 2nd
 
SeanKates
I have chosen Yahoo, draft league, points-based roto. The invitation should be going out shortly, unless of course you haven't sent me your email address, in which case I will hound you pointlessly until you do. Then we can use the board there to discuss possible draft times. Or do an offline draft that I enter the rosters for.
10:19 AM Mar 2nd
 
alljoeteam
Unless we want the bigger rosters of ESPN...

I don't think I care too much.
2:12 AM Mar 2nd
 
ventboys
Go Yahoo, 30 player rosters, 23 play (the normal roto positions), points league, draft format. Is that about where we are right now?
1:04 AM Mar 2nd
 
azhitnik
I'd prefer a draft as well.
7:49 PM Mar 1st
 
PHjort
I'd prefer a draft.
4:41 PM Mar 1st
 
ventboys
I am ok with either one. Yahoo has draft, but not auction. ESPN has both. The only other real difference between them is that Yahoo maxes at 30 man roasters, while ESPN allows 40. As I have said, I am more familiar with Yahoo personally.

I will, of course, go along with whatever is decided.
1:51 PM Mar 1st
 
alljoeteam
I've already expressed my preference for a draft.
12:13 PM Mar 1st
 
ventboys
64 dollar question: Draft, or Auction?
3:48 AM Mar 1st
 
PHjort
I'm not particular as to what rule set we use, but I'll gladly join the debate if needed. Regardless, you know from my post in the "reader posts" section that I want in. My email is phjort@gatech.edu.
12:19 AM Mar 1st
 
ventboys
I think that we could do it on ESPN as well. Their customizing setup is similar.
3:13 AM Feb 28th
 
alljoeteam
BTW, Jeff, were did you get the your hitting numbers? I've never seen numbers like that before.
12:10 AM Feb 28th
 
alljoeteam
Oh yeah, sorry Jeff, I missed your pitching numbers. Not sure how. My bad.

Ventboys, if I'm understanding the stat card thing correctly, I think it would be something worth having. Does ESPN have something like that too, or just Yahoo? If ESPN doesn't, and I'm understanding this, then I vote Yahoo.
12:07 AM Feb 28th
 
ventboys
My post, near the top, is a pretty accurate reflection of real baseball, if that counts for anything, and it will, on Yahoo, give us all a baseball card styled stat line for every player. Its simple, and in whole numbers.
11:03 PM Feb 27th
 
wydiyd
Here was my pitching line from above with saves:

Pitchers
IP 1.35
SV .12
H -.56
HR -.88
BB -.33
HBP -.33
10:02 PM Feb 27th
 
alljoeteam
Just realized that neither Jeff nor I posted any pitching points. I would suggest something like this:

IP 10
R (or ER, doesn't matter to me) -5
H -5
HR -9
BB/HBP -3
K 2

Pretty much the flip side of the hitting I suggested. It makes the top pitchers (Lincecum, Sabathia, Lee, etc.) almost as valuable as the top hitters (Pujols, Berkman, Reyes, Ramirez, etc.) Now, there's nothing about W-L records or Saves in there. W-L could be left out, but I think people might complain if we leave Saves out. I might suggest something between 5 and 10 for a Save.
6:35 PM Feb 27th
 
SeanKates
Haha...alljoe is allbusiness. I have the following players, and need emails to eventually get invites out:

Jeff
ventboys
Dave Bates
alljoe
PHJort
myself
Dave Fleming
bokonin
lar
lance

That is a near perfect 10 by my counting. I can easily set up the league, probably utilizing Yahoo (sacrificing extra functionality for the evil I know and trust), a points-based league along the lines described here. If everyone can send me an email address offline (demedici@gmail.com), I will send the invites and we can figure out the means of team selection.
6:29 PM Feb 27th
 
alljoeteam
Since we aren't making much ground here, I ask a question. Is anyone not OK with any of the following: using a point system like Jeff or I have posted, using an existing site (ESPN or Yahoo are the names being thrown around), and a draft? If everyone is OK, we can start moving. March is in two days.
5:15 PM Feb 27th
 
ventboys
If we go Yahoo, an onliine draft can be set up. If we go ESPN, we could do a draft or an auction.
12:48 PM Feb 27th
 
alljoeteam
I haven't use either of them. As such I don't have any opinions on which we should use. I don't sense any strong feelings one way or the other from anyone here.

As for player selection, I think I would prefer a draft. It might not be possible. I don't know.

As for the form of competition, I'm not sure what all of the options are...
1:20 AM Feb 27th
 
wydiyd
We should probably get moving. I would vote for a Yahoo league, but ESPN is fine also. We could just go with the 8 for now and if need, just do an AL or NL only league.
5:02 PM Feb 26th
 
DaveFleming
I'm in. Whatever format is fine with me. Looking forward to it.
12:02 PM Feb 26th
 
SeanKates
So that's 8 now. Hopefully we can get at least 10, and then iron out some rules and get this baby started.
7:51 AM Feb 26th
 
LanceRichardson
I'd be very interested in taking part. I've played in a Yahoo 5x5 league, and thought the features worked well. I'd be open to other formats, though.
10:33 PM Feb 25th
 
lar
I'd be interested. It'd be my first time in a real league, though, so I'd have to leave the other choices up to you guys.
4:37 PM Feb 25th
 
ventboys
Yahoo also has the stat tracker feature, it only costs 10 dollars and it gives you real time scoring. It's the one I've used the most, and there have been very few, if any, real problems with access. I like ESPN's extrra features, particularly the auction and 40 man roster options.
12:42 PM Feb 25th
 
SeanKates
At least in regards to the site choice. I definitely agree that we should use a pre-existing automatic site, with ESPN and Yahoo obviously leading the pack. To add to ventboys' comments on the two major sites, ESPN has MORE functionality, but has had severe server issues each of the past two years (including a complete wiping out of stats for the first month two years ago). Yahoo is a safer choice, but they lack some of the best options (although they have added keeper possibilities this year).

I believe in ESPN to some degree, and that they have slowly solved their problems. I would tend to lean that way, but I understand if people are reluctant given the way they have burned people before.
7:21 AM Feb 25th
 
ventboys
In my experience in doing several types of scoring, over several years, it's much more pleasing to the eye if you eliminate decimals. Also, we need to keep in mind that it would be a TON easier to do this league on an existing automated site. Yahoo has it's good points, as does ESPN. I use both, and the only real differences in them actually favors ESPN. They allow for 40 man rosters (Yahoo only 30), and they have a constant stream of draft options online, with roto, head to head and points based leagues. They offer auctions and straight drafts (serpentine). Yahoo, to my knowledge, only offers draft, not auction. I much prefer auction myself, and for our purposes a 40 man roster would probably be preferred as well. ESPN also offers a setup that allows us to be a keeper league.
11:10 PM Feb 24th
 
alljoeteam
Instead of using offensive speed indicators (SB, 3B, etc.) to evaluate fielding, is there a way we could use Win Shares or +/- to do that? We have these measures at our disposal. If we want fielding, why not use them? Makes more sense than using offensive events that have little to do with fielding.

I did a ministudy. I took all players that either stole 40+ bases or hit 10+ triples last year and looked at their fielding stats. The players are: Taveras, Rollins, Ellsbury, Reyes, BJ Upton, Ichiro, Bourn, Pierre, Roberts, Granderson, Stephen Drew, Fred Lewis, and Carl Crawford. The average +/- was +3.7 and the average Fielding Win Shares per 1000 innings was 3.42 (the historical average is 3.55, but it's a little lower now with higher K rates). I'm not seeing much to suggest that SB and 3B are connected strongly to fielding ability.

In all fairness, I did the flip list as well. I took all player's that qualified for the batting title that either: didn't hit a triple, didn't steal a base, or both. There are 24 so I won't show them all. I cut Thome out cause didn't pick up a glove all year. That leaves 23, and for +/- I cut the catchers (cause it doesn't exist). Average +/- was -2.9 and average Fielding Win Shares per 1000 innings was 2.93.

Using WS, there's a difference of about 1/6th of a win per 1000 innings. A small difference. Times all eight fielding positions and a full season (1445 innings) that's 1.9 wins. For the whole team, best vs. worst. There are some really bad fielders in the first group and some really good ones in the second. It's something, but nothing concrete.

BTW, Jeff: I'm not deciphobic either. But I though some people might like it better. I personally don't care if there are decimals all over the place, but I can't speak for everyone else.
12:39 PM Feb 24th
 
ventboys
I don't want to hammer on this, but I don't want it lost in the avalanche of suggestions:

Some variation of a points system, if we go that way, would give us a baseball card styled stat sheet if we use the categories that I suggested. If anyone wants other stat to be shown, they can be added as well, in a couple of ways. If we end up going that direction, let me know.
12:05 PM Feb 24th
 
wydiyd
bokonin I totally disagree with "a guy with 40 SB and 20 CS has value"
as Bill has stated in his 10 commandments of baseball:

4) Thou shalt not steal at anything less than a 70% success rate.

with last season the number being 71%. .62 runs on average were lost when a runner was caught stealing, while only .25 runs where gain for each steal.

In the fantasy league you will see the speed in numbers like more 2B and 3B, it was been proven in many an article/book that you need to be around 70% or you are doing no good. I have also seen some suggestions for fielding stats.

alljoeteam -- I don't have deciphobic so I was trying to gain any advantage I can
11:18 AM Feb 24th
 
bokonin
I'd also suggest making a 3B as valuable as a HR, for the same reason: the guys who hit enough triples for it to matter (Jimmy Rollins, Curtis Granderson, Lance Johnson) tend to be excellent on defense, and could use the credit.
11:07 AM Feb 24th
 
bokonin
I agree with Ventboys's league's (and to some extent Dave's) suggestion that SB should be at least equal in value to CS. As a general rule, a guy with 40 SB and 20 CS has value, not because of the steals themselves, but because speed is useful in fielding and baserunning. If your game won't directly measure those things, giving real value to base stealers makes a decent proxy that makes the game more interesting.
11:01 AM Feb 24th
 
alljoeteam
Jeff,

I multiplied the real run values, that I use in my work, by ten and rounded. That way, people who are deciphobic (fear of decimals, not a real word) can handle it. Also, that way the numbers stay whole.

BTW, I meant, in my earlier post, for the value of a hit to be 6, rather than 5. (Cause with the AB it takes to get a hit that comes out to 5)
2:23 AM Feb 24th
 
azhitnik
As far as H2H or Roto, I'm ultimately indifferent, so whatever others decide, I'm good to go with. As far as a draft, depending on timing I could possibly be there for a live draft, but I'd want to reserve the option of just submitting a list to auto draft for me if for some reason I can't be there. Also - any thoughts on the website we should use? I've only ever used Yahoo and ESPN.
6:02 PM Feb 23rd
 
wydiyd
I would go with just a total number of runs (pitchers + hitters) for the season with a max number of AB/PA per position and max innings pitched for starters and relievers. Could just use the 2008 league averages or the max values from which ever team hit and pitched the most. Try to simulate a real team as much as possible.

alljoeteam - I perfer the smaller number I used, even though your's are close to being the same, because they are closer to actual runs scored per game
5:36 PM Feb 23rd
 
SeanKates
Alright, I currently have:

Jeff, ventboys, Dave, alljoe, PHJort (from reader's posts), myself and (presumably) Dave.

I agree with alljoe that the two biggest discussions needed are how to pick a team and what format of competition. Generally, I want to stay out of this, and let you guys come to some sort of compromise or understanding.
4:57 PM Feb 23rd
 
alljoeteam
I agree with the reader comments here. We shouldn't go to far into "VORP land" all the fun is gone. It takes each team and reduces it to a list of numbers. I support something like what Jeff has suggested. I might use slightly different numbers, but the idea is the same. I might use:

AB -1
H 5
2B 3
3B 6
HR 9
BB/HBP 3
SB 2
CS/GDP -4


We can work out details like that later. I think the two biggest things we need to work out are: how to select players (real time draft, etc.), and scoring (H2H, etc.).
4:44 PM Feb 23rd
 
wydiyd
These numbers are close to what actually went down last season:

If we go this route, should draft a team only using the Bill's projection numbers and see how it does.

Hitters
AB -.15
H .78
2B .24
3B .56
HR .96
SB .18
CS -.5
BB .45
HBP .45
GIDP -.54

Pitchers
IP 1.35
SV .12
H -.56
HR -.88
BB -.33
HBP -.33
1:29 PM Feb 23rd
 
azhitnik
I like Jeff's suggestion of a points based league. A friend of mine has been involved in a points based H2H league and it sounds like an intriguing offshoot from the, admittedly fun, but without much variation, 5x5 leagues I've been in for years. I'm willing to try about anything, but agree with Sean, that going to far of into VORP-land might take too much of the fun away.
12:56 PM Feb 23rd
 
ventboys
I'll toss out the first scoring suggestion. I have a league on Yahoo, and we use this system. It does a really good job of accurately reflecting real value and production, with the added benefit of giving us a baseball card styled line that updates itself in real time.

We use a 30 man roster, with 23 playing week to week: each of the 8 positions, an extra catcher, 1 corner, middle, and utility, and 2 extra outfielders, 9 pitchers. The stat categories are:

Atbats -2
Hits 7
2B 12
3b 17
HR 22
This makes outs -2, while setting up that baseball card line, and each total base 5 points
Runs 5
RBI 5
SB 10
CS 10
We used 8 and 12 last year, which would be more accurate, but switched this year to 10 and 10 according to the wishes of the league.
W/HBP 3
K -1
GIDP -2
I also set games played as 0, to get that info on the baseball card line.

Pitching categories:

W 20
L 10
Sv 20
BS -10
HLD 10
We added holds this year, it gives enough value to setup men to make them playable, without making them more valuable than closers or good starters
Outs 5
Hits -2
TB -2
W/hbp -3
a single is -4 (-2 for h, -2 for 1 tb)
K 1
ER -10

Each position player gets this line:

H/AB- G-AB-R-H-2B-3B-HR-SB-CS-W-HBP-K-GIDP-FP (total fantasy points)

Each pitcher gets this line:

IP-W-L-SV-Outs-H-ER-W-HBP-K-Hold-BSv-FP

The top 10 hitters (2008 season):
Pujols
Berkman
Wright
Manny
Sizemore
Beltran
Utley
Texiera
Han Ram
Reyes

Top 10 pitchers:
Sabathia
Halladay
Lincecom
Lee
Santana (Johan)
Webb
Hamels
Dempster
K-Rod
Santana (Ervin)

In case it looks weird to have Dempster and Ervin that high, this is the next 10:
Haren
Lowe
Rivera
Lester
Nolasco
Volquez
Harden
Billingsley
Sheets
Oswalt
Dice-K was 21st. He was hurt by a very low inning total, only 167, and 94 walks.
Closers finish 9, 13, 22, 23, 26, 28 and 32. Marmol, who had 7 saves, is near the bottom of the top 50 as the first setup man listed. JP Howell is 68th, Joba 72nd, then 8 more setup types from 76-100th. 10 team league, 9 pitchers, this means that the back of our staffs would have these guys in, which I think is appropriate.
12:51 PM Feb 23rd
 
wydiyd
my 2 cents

I would be interested in the draft and would like to see one done with Linear Weights such as done here;

http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/leaguesettings?leagueId=52112
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/yahoo_fantasy_linear_weights_league/

Each event gets a point equivalent to real game event.

I am currently helping run a WAR/Salary draft at Beyond the Boxscore:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/2/6/751665/btb-s-ball-on-a-budget-fan

This format is great and would love to do it again

12:38 PM Feb 23rd
 
wydiyd
my 2 cents

I would be interested in the draft and would like to see one done with Linear Weights such as done here;

http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/leaguesettings?leagueId=52112
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/yahoo_fantasy_linear_weights_league/

Each event gets a point equivalent to real game event.

I am currently helping run a WAR/Salary draft at Beyond the Boxscore:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/2/6/751665/btb-s-ball-on-a-budget-fan

This format is great and would love to do it again

12:27 PM Feb 23rd
 
 
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