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Team of the Decade - Infield

August 22, 2009
 
A quick disclaimer, before we get into the first part of this exercise:
 
The concept of Player or Team of the Decade is reliant on an arbitrary thing; a stretch of ten years that is defined only by the non-changing of the tenths numeral.
 
In years past, looking at ‘decades’ have given us a few silly arguments: Jack Morris was the winningest pitcher of the 1980’s; ergo he is a Hall-of-Famer. It’s a silly argument: Frank Viola was the winningest pitcher from 1984 to 1993; how come no one argues that he’s a Hall-of-Famer? And hey, over that same stretch Joe Carter hit the most homeruns and notched the most RBI’s. Let’s get him into Cooperstown, too.
 
I could go on, but you get what I’m angling at: being the best player in the decade of the ‘Aughts has nothing to do with Player A is better than Player B. Carlos Delgado is not a better player than Jeff Bagwell; he just happened to have a better decade that Bagwell.

A Team of the Decade does give us some contexts, some sense of the era. This decade will be known as the Steroid Decade, rightly or wrongly. For betterly or worsely. It’s worth debating who the best and worst players of the decade were.
 
So let’s take a look. We’ll start with the infield.
 
Catcher
 
This is where that ‘element of arbitrariness’ comes in: if we were looking at 1995-2004, Mike Piazza would rank as the best catcher in baseball. If we went from 2005-2014, I’m certain Joe Mauer will wind up the best catcher of that ten-year stretch.
 
But we’re talking about the years 2000-2009. Only nine catchers have caught 1000+ games over the decade of double-zeros: 
 
 
G
OPS+
Jason Kendall
1431
89
Jorge Posada
1271
129
Ramon Hernandez
1225
95
Ivan Rodriguez
1189
111
Jason Varitek
1185
100
Bengie Molina
1180
88
A.J. Pierzinski
1180
96
Brad Ausmus
1176
68
Paul Lo Duca
1040
98
 
Of those nine, only two (Posada and Rodriguez) posted an above-average OPS. To have a more reasonable list, we could include players who had shorter stints over the decade. Let’s say 500 games. That gives us a list of:
 
 
OPS+
G
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
Joe Mauer
136
650
65
.325
.405
.480
Jorge Posada
129
1271
201
.282
.386
.490
Mike Piazza
127
931
187
.285
.360
.512
Brian McCann
122
567
82
.296
.359
.499
Victor Martinez
118
832
105
.296
.369
.462
Ivan Rodriguez
111
1189
159
.299
.336
.479
Javy Lopez
110
847
141
.285
.336
.482
Russell Martin
103
531
45
.281
.372
.411
Mike Lieberthal
102
757
83
.278
.344
.438
Charles Johnson
102
575
88
.253
.337
.463
Jason Varitek
100
1185
147
.259
.349
.434
 
That brings Mauer into the discussion, as well as McCann and V-Mart.
 
Mauer or Posada is a choice between peak ability and longetivity: Posada has played twice as many games as Mauer, while Mauer has performed at a higher peak than Posada. Mauer has had five straight seasons of 20+ Win Shares, and two years of 30 Win Shares. Posada has never reached 30 Win Shares, but he’s notched 206 Win Shares this decade, to Mauer’s 131.
 
That said, Joe Mauer has had three seasons where he could have been the MVP; three years (2006, 2008, and 2009) when he was one of the two or three best player in the league.
 
My affection for Joe Mauer knows no bounds, but it would be difficult to put him ahead of Jorge Posada. Were the difference three hundred games, I’d choose Mauer. But the difference is 621 games, the equivalent of four full seasons. I’ll stick with Posada.
 
As for Posada and Mike Piazza, it’s a clear victory for Posada. There wasn’t a season in the decade when Mike Piazza notched more Win Shares than Posada did.
 
Ivan Rodriguez is, I think, the most interesting challenge to Posada. Rodriguez is a very different kind of player. Rodriguez is a great fielder; a contact hitter with good speed for a catcher. Posada strikes out more, but also draws fifty more walks a year. Posada’s fielding has been solid but unremarkable.
 
One might be tempted to give Ivan Rodriguez extra credit for his defensive contributions, but the numbers suggest that Posada’s superiority as a defensive player is mostly reputation, not reality. We have the fielding Win Shares on the sight dating back to 2002. Here’s the defensive Win Shares of Posada and Rodriguez:
 
 
I-Rod
Posada
2002
2.45
4.66
2003
5.22
7.86
2004
4.91
5.51
2005
7.74
7.05
2006
10.91
7.40
2007
6.94
6.57
2008
7.32
1.39
2009
3.47
2.61
Total
48.96
43.05
 
No surprise Rodriguez has a lead. But it’s a difference of six Win Shares, or two wins over eight years. It’s not enough to close their gap as hitters.
 
I should add that Rodriguez suffers because his peak years came before the turn of the decade: between 2000 and 2009 he has notched 155 Win Shares, to Posada’s 206. Ivan Rodriguez is a better player than Posada, as is Mauer, as was Piazza. But Jorge Posada is the catcher of the decade.
 
First Base
 
We can probably skip this one, right?
 
 
OPS+
G
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
Albert Pujols
172
1353
357
.334
.427
.629
Jason Giambi
152
1286
301
.275
.418
.543
Todd Helton
146
1422
256
.331
.436
.573
Carlos Delgado
144
1368
324
.286
.394
.553
Mark Teixeira
135
1015
232
.289
.378
.543
Jeff Bagwell
133
833
186
.285
.394
.534
Ryan Klesko
129
944
139
.277
.377
.481
Derrek Lee
128
1407
258
.290
.375
.515
Rafael Palmeiro
128
891
208
.270
.373
.519
Justin Morneau
126
845
161
.284
.353
.507
 
Todd Helton is the only one who has anything resembling a case against Pujols, and that case is undercut dramatically by the fact that Helton has a .361/.458/.646 line at Coors, but just a .295/.394/.492 line in road games.
 
Albert Pujols has finished in the top-ten in the NL MVP vote every year he’s played, and baring a catastrophic decline in the last month of this season, he will again finish in the top-ten this year, making it nine years in a row.
 
Two players, Stan Musial and Willie Mays, have finished in the top-ten in the MVP vote for ten straight seasons. Stan between 1948-1957, and Willie between 1957-1966. Pujols has a good chance to be the third. He’s the Player of the Decade, obviously.
 
Second Base
 
This one stumped me. A friend and I were discussing this during a rain delay at Fenway last week, and the only guys we could come up with were Utley and Kent. I was sure we were missing someone.
 
 
Games
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS+
Chase Utley
850
.298
.381
.527
130
Jeff Kent
1266
.300
.371
.518
129
Dan Uggla
575
.259
.344
.483
115
Bret Boone
835
.277
.340
.474
115
Alfonso Soriano
1305
.279
.327
.511
114
 
I guess Soriano is the one we were missing: he’s played more games at second than in the outfield, 766 to 509 at this writing.
 
Like the catcher conversation, this one is between two players: Utley and Kent. It is a difficult battle: Kent had an MVP season in 2000, plus three other great seasons in 2001, 2002, and 2005. Utley has had four MVP-caliber seasons from 2006 to 2009. Win Shares by season:
 
 
 Kent
Utley
2000
37
-
2001
27
-
2002
28
-
2003
20
5
2004
22
8
2005
28
25
2006
18
27
2007
17
28
2008
9
30
2009
-
24
Total
206
147
 
With Mauer and Posada, it’s clear that Mauer has had the greater peak value. It is less apparent that Chase Utley has had a greater peak that Kent did. As Kent has played 400 more games than Utley, we’ll take him as the best second baseman of the decade.
 
Third Base
 
Three great players competing for this one:
 
 
G
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS+
Alex Rodriguez
1488
426
.302
.400
.586
153
Chipper Jones
1349
270
.314
.415
.554
149
David Wright
818
138
.311
.392
.524
138
 
We can leave Wright off the list, as he’s more than 500 games behind Chipper and A-Rod. That leaves us two players, each of whom has played every season of the decade.
 
A-Rod has two big advantages over Chipper: homeruns (+156) and stolen bases (+115). Chipper has a lot of little edges: doubles (+22), triples (+5), walks (+22), fewer times caught stealing (+11), GIDP (+16). Chipper also has a big edge in strikeouts, whiffing 740 times to A-Rod’s 1216 strikeouts (+476).
 
Chipper’s had two top-ten MVP finished, and didn’t win an MVP during the decade. He made three All-Star games and didn’t win a Gold Glove award. I was surprised, frankly, that Chipper has done so poorly over the decade, as he’s obviously been a terrific player.
 
Alex, on the other hand, has done quite well in the award category: three MVP awards, seven top-ten finishes, two Gold Gloves (at shortstop), and nine All-Star appearances.
 
This is interesting, as my perception has always been that Chipper is far more liked than Alex. Even before the steroid stuff came out, isn’t it safe to say that Chipper, the cornerstone hitter of the Braves, was more respected and admired than Alex? Yet Alex has fared far better than Chipper when it comes to things that writers, managers, and fans vote on.
 
Leaving popularity aside, who was better over the decade?
 
Looking at some numbers from Pecota and Fangraphs, as well as from our site:
 
 
Win Shares
 
WARP-3
 
WPA
 
 
A-Rod
Jones
A-Rod
Jones
A-Rod
Jones
2000
37
27
11.6
6.0
5.26
2.16
2001
37
29
8.2
8.0
5.23
5.09
2002
35
31
7.9
7.3
3.86
4.67
2003
31
26
7.5
3.3
4.15
4.29
2004
29
18
7.7
5.7
3.05
1.28
2005
34
18
9.5
6.1
5.53
5.79
2006
25
22
5.4
5.0
1.06
1.12
2007
37
25
11.0
8.4
6.86
4.35
2008
23
23
5.5
9.2
0.48
3.52
2009
13
16
4.1
2.6
2.63
2.45
Total
301
235
78.4
61.6
38.11
34.72
 
Hmm….A-Rod comes out ahead in all of the metrics listed above. For Win Shares, Alex has six seasons of 30 or more Win Shares, whereas Chipper has one. He has six fewer Win Shares than Albert Pujols, although Pujols didn’t play in 2000.
 
There is, of course, the steroid thing: Alex Rodriguez has admitted to taking steroids during his three-year stint with the Rangers. I wonder if anyone remembers this, but Chipper took a bit of flack in late 2007 for suggesting that Alex Rodriguez’s name would be the next one linked to steroids. This was around the time Jose Canseco started talking about Alex, and Chipper mentioned to a New York Post writer that a lot of Canseco’s claims were turning out to be true. It didn’t get a lot of traction, Chipper’s comments, but I thought I’d mention it.
 
Objectively, it’s hard to see where Chipper merits an edge over Alex Rodriguez: Alex has been a better defensive player, a better offensive player, and a better base runner over the course of the decade. I think that a few writers will give Chipper the nod over Alex, on the basis that Alex cheated and Chipper did not. I certainly won’t begrudge them their opinion, and Chipper’s had a helluva decade. But Alex Rodriguez has been better.
 
Shortstop
 
Over the decade, Hanley Ramirez leads shortstops in batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS, and adjusted OPS. That said, he has played only 581 games this decade, which is 60% fewer games than Jeter, Tejada, or Michael Young.
 
 
G
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS+
Hanley Ramirez
581
98
.318
.387
.536
140
Derek Jeter
1463
158
.316
.386
.457
121
Nomar Garciaparra
967
132
.307
.359
.497
118
Miguel Tejada
1543
247
.296
.346
.480
116
Carlos Guillen
1162
108
.288
.359
.446
112
Michael Young
1334
135
.302
.349
.449
105
 
With due respect to Garciaparra and Michael Young, this comes down to Jeter and Tejada. Tejada has a slight edge in power, but Jeter has superior on-base skills and is a faster player. Neither is a particularly great defensive shortstop.
 
Tejada won an MVP award and appeared in six All-Star games. Jeter never won the MVP, but he was second in 2006 (and was a more deserving candidate than the #1 guy), and has played in eight All-Star games. Jeter has won three Gold Gloves this decade, which is a little embarrassing.
 
Win Shares has it at a near-deadlock:
 
Year
Jeter
Tejada
2000
23
23
2001
28
25
2002
24
32
2003
19
26
2004
26
28
2005
26
26
2006
32
23
2007
24
14
2008
18
14
2009
22
16
Total
242
227
 
It’s closer than I thought it would be: through 2006, Tejada has a lead of five Win Shares over Jeter. Jeter’s solid run in 2007-2009 has edged him ahead of Tejada, but it’s a lot closer than I thought.
 
The best argument for Tejada is defense: Tejada’s been a crummy defense player, but Jeter has been much worse. Using John Dewan’s Runs Saved since 2004:
 
 
Tejada
 
Jeter
 
 
+/- Total
Runs Saved
+/- Total
Runs Saved
2004
+14
+11
-16
-12
2005
+5
+4
-34
-26
2006
-14
-11
-22
-17
2007
-4
-3
-34
-26
2008
+7
+5
-11
-8
2009
-14
-11
+7
+5
Total
-6
-5
-110
-84
 
Jeter costs the Yankees about fourteen runs a year on defense, whereas Tejada has cost his team just one run a year. Fourteen runs is the equivalent of two or three wins a season. That’s a big difference.
 
What about Omar Vizquel?
 
Jeter
 
 
Vizquel
 
+/- Total
Runs Saved
 
+/- Total
Runs Saved
-16
-12
2004
+6
+5
-34
-26
2005
+4
+3
-22
-17
2006
+7
+5
-34
-26
2007
+20
+15
-11
-8
2008
+9
+7
7
5
2009
+3
+2
-110
-84
Total
+49
+37
 
As a defensive player, Vizquel is worth about twenty runs more than Derek Jeter each year, the equivalent of three to four wins a season. It doesn’t make up the difference between them as hitters:
 
 
G
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS+
Derek Jeter
1463
158
.316
.386
.457
121
Omar Vizquel
1262
44
.271
.340
.361
84
 
Were Miguel Tejada a better fielder, I’d be tempted to take him over Derek Jeter. As he is, at best, a league-average fielder, I’ll begrudgingly stick with Captain Intangibles.
 
Coming up: the best outfielders and designated whackers of the decade.
 
Dave Fleming is a writer living in Iowa City, IA. He welcomes comments, questions, and suggestions here and at dfleming1986@yahoo.com
 
 

COMMENTS (9 Comments, most recent shown first)

Kev
Dave,

Why "grudgingly" for Jeter? Seriously, I think you and Bill may benefit from some objective counsel. After some back and forth, Bill, after holding Jeter in the same esteem that he probably has for Charles Manson, said that he really has nothing against Jeter, (just what is there to dislike, anyway?), but it was the sycophantic manner in which Michael Kay, Yankee announcers, and much media rave about Jeter that causes him to be overrated. Agreed. So go off on the announcers. For people of your intelligence and analytic (therefore) objective minds to allow two-bit yes-men to drive you up a tree is, well, stupid.


8:25 PM Aug 29th
 
evanecurb
Team of the 90s:
C Piazza
1b Bagwell
2b Biggio
ss Larkin
3b Ventura
lf Bonds
cf Griffey Jr
rf Sosa
dh F Thomas
sp Maddux
sp Clemens
sp Mussina
rp Eckersley

Ventura on third? Boggs was over the hill; A Rod was at short and only played half the decade, anyway. Dean Palmer? Kelly Gruber? Ken Caminiti? No way... Am I forgetting someone obvious?

10:25 PM Aug 26th
 
bobburpee
Fun stuff. I have one concern: Alex Rodriguez did not play a single game at 3rd base in the first four years of the decade. Taking away those 600 plus games would make Chipper Jones the best 3rd baseman. But Chipper played two full seasons in the outfield.

How would you compare 4 years of peak level ARod at short plus 5 years of a replacement level shortstop vs. a decade of the defensively challenged but offensively excellent Jeter?
10:48 AM Aug 24th
 
chuck
I figure offensive win-loss shares for ARod and Jones for 2000-09 as:
ARod: 206-27 (.884)
Jones: 172-24 (.878)
Close, but again the edge to ARod. I've got to think he only widens the gap when fielding is added.

They're also pretty close if you look at whole careers (offensive only):
Jones: 266-50 (.842)
Arod: 282-58 (.829)
Jones has the better pct, but Arod comes out ahead if you do Fibonacci win shares.
2:19 AM Aug 24th
 
ventboys
Good stuff Dave, no arguments to be had I think. I do find it interesting that at least 4 out of 5 spots would go to someone else if it was the last 5 years instead of 10.
12:06 AM Aug 24th
 
DaveFleming
Outfielders and DH next, followed by da pitchers. Perhaps a manager, too.
2:38 PM Aug 23rd
 
alljoeteam
Will there be a pitching staff to follow?
3:42 AM Aug 23rd
 
Richie
Agreed. Thanks again, Dave.
11:56 PM Aug 22nd
 
evanecurb
Neat article. Unfortunately for me, I can't fault any of your selections.
8:09 PM Aug 22nd
 
 
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