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Checking in on Mauer

February 1, 2010
 
It took a little while, but his 2009 MVP award suggests that the mainstream media is finally starting to appreciate Joe Mauer. It was quite a year: as most of you know, Mauer won his third batting title in four years. Most strikingly, he found the fences at an astonishing rate, going from a hitting a homerun every 46.7 at-bats over the first five years of his career to hitting a homerun once every 18.7 at-bats in 2009.
 
So, in honor of his first MVP, let’s tackle a few questions about Joe Mauer.
 
Was Mauer’s 2009 season the greatest ever by a catcher?
 
The top twenty seasons by catchers, according to Win Shares:
 
Name
Year
Off WS
Def. WS
Total WS
Piazza
1997
32.3
6.4
38.6
Bench
1972
29
7.7
36.8
Freehan
1968
24.6
10.4
35.1
Berra
1954
26.1
8.3
34.4
Bench
1974
25.7
8.4
34
Bench
1970
23.9
9.9
33.7
Dickey
1937
23.6
9.8
33.4
Carter
1985
22.1
11.1
33.3
Campanella
1953
24.6
8.5
33.1
Fisk
1972
26.3
6.8
33.1
Campanella
1951
24.7
8.3
33
Piazza
1996
28.2
4.7
32.9
Mauer
2009
27.32
5.04
32.36
Berra
1950
24.2
7.7
31.9
Howard
1964
21.3
10.5
31.8
Tenace
1975
25.4
6.2
31.6
Carter
1982
20.7
10.6
31.3
Berra
1956
23.4
7.4
30.8
Daulton
1992
27.1
3.7
30.8
Martinez
2007
21.9
8.9
30.8
 
Strictly in terms of offensive output, Mauer’s 2009 season ranks behind Bench’s 1972 season and two years by Mike Piazza as the best ever by a catcher. But defensively, Mauer didn’t tally nearly as many Win Shares as he did in 2006. This was mostly due to Mauer making only 105 starts as a catcher.
 
It was a great year, but it wasn’t the greatest season by a catcher.
 
Is Mauer keeping pace with the All-Time Greats?
 
The 2009 season was Mauer’s Age-26 season.
 
With apologies to Josh Gibson, the nine best catchers to play in the majors were Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench, Gary Carter, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Carlton Fisk, Mike Piazza, and Ivan Rodriguez. At this point in his career, how is Mauer doing against those nine?
 
 
Bench
Mauer
Rodriguez
Carter
Berra
Age 19
1.6
 
6.1
 
 
Age 20
23.7
 
13.5
2.2
 
Age 21
28.3
5.8
15.2
18.2
1.7
Age 22
33.7
22.2
15.5
5.7
10.8
Age 23
18.7
29.66
16.4
25.3
18
Age 24
36.8
20.96
22.6
22.4
21
Age 25
25.8
29.54
26.4
27.4
31.9
Age 26
34
32.36
26.6
30
30.6
Total WS
202.6
140.52
142.3
131.2
114
 
 
 
Cochrane
Dickey
Piazza
Fisk
Campanella
Age 21
 
0.1
 
 
 
Age 22
16.2
17.9
 
 
 
Age 23
13.6
14.5
1.3
2.3
 
Age 24
23.2
19.9
30.5
33.1
 
Age 25
21.5
18.4
21.1
16.6
 
Age 26
27.3
25.2
27
11.1
12.3
Total WS
101.8
96
79.9
63.1
12.3
 
According to Win Shares, Mauer is still well short of Johnny Bench, but he is ahead of the rest of the pack.
 
At Age 26, Mauer has posted three seasons of 30+ Win Shares, three MVP-caliber seasons.
 
Where Does This Peak Rank Among Other Catchers?
 
Let’s take Mauer’s five-year stretch of 2004-2009. How does that compare to the peak five-year stretches of the other catchers mentioned above?
 
Berra
Piazza
Bench
Cochrane
Carter
1950-54
1996-00
1970-74
1929-33
1982-86
31.9
32.9
33.7
27.3
31.3
30.6
38.6
18.7
30.6
24.3
29.3
33
36.8
28
30.2
28.2
21.2
25.8
30
33.3
34.4
27.5
34
25.9
22.6
154.4
153.2
149
141.8
141.7
 
 
Mauer
Campy
Dickey
I-Rod
Fisk
 2005-09
1949-53
1935-39
1996-00
1974-78
22.20
23.9
19.8
22.6
11.1
29.66
21.6
25
26.4
15.3
20.96
33
33.4
26.6
19.2
29.54
21.5
26.9
27.6
29.7
32.36
33.1
27.4
19
30.5
134.72
133.1
132.5
122.2
105.8
 
His 134.72 Win Shares rank sixth among the catchers listed, but even another season of 30 Win Shares would only push him past Carter and Cochrane. In terms of peak ability, Mauer’s last five seasons have been terrific, but they’re not quite on par with the best years of Berra, Bench, Piazza, Cochrane, or Carter.
 
A quick aside….there have been thirty-six seasons of catchers notching 30 or more Win Shares. Thirty-six seasons, collected by eighteen catchers:
 
No. of 30+
WS Seasons
Name
4
Bench, Berra, Carter
3
Fisk, Piazza, Mauer
2
Campanella, Cochrane, Freehan
1
Daulton, Dickey, Howard, Lopez, Martinez,
 
McCann, Porter, Simmons, Tenace

Mauer, with three 30-Win Share seasons under his belt, is just south of Berra, Bench, and Carter.
 
Will the Twins keep him?
 
I think they will, yes.
 
Let’s ask that question in a different way: is there any precedent for the Twins not keeping him?
 
Joe Mauer is a truly great player. Along with Pujols and Hanley Ramirez and a few others, Mauer is one of the very best players in the game right now. He has a chance to go down in history as one of the top 5-10 players to ever play his position.
 
So here’s an exercise: write down a list of ten great players. Any ten, just off the top of your head. Here’s mine: Ruth, Gehrig, Ted Williams, Koufax, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, Hornsby, Yastrzemski, and Schmidt.
 
Now: go through your list and ask how many of them were traded around a lot, and how many stuck to one team for most of their careers.
 
From my list, Gehrig, Williams, Koufax, Clemente, Schmidt, and Yaz were all lifers, spending their entire big league careers with one organization. Mays and Aaron moved late in their careers, but they played their best years for one team.
 
That leaves Ruth and Hornsby. Ruth was moved from Boston because everyone was being moved from Boston…had Frazee cared a lick about winning games, he would’ve kept Ruth. Hornsby moved around because he forced his way out.
 
As a rule, teams lucky enough to have a Great Player don’t let those players go.
 
There are, I think, two exceptions to that rule; two reasons why a team would let go of a Great Player.
 
The first exception relates to an ability to contend, which is tied somewhat to finances: if a team can’t contend even with a Mantle or a Mays, that team might cut the player loose. Connie Mack used to do this a lot: he’d move Foxx or Grove because he knew he didn’t have a chance to contend anyway, so why not turn a profit? Alex Rodriguez is a great player, but that didn’t matter much in Texas.
 
The second relates to a conflict of personality: sometimes having a Great Player isn’t worth the headache. This is why Hornsby was moved so often, and why Dick Allen was traded from Philly. Tom Seaver falls into this category: Seaver got embroiled in a spat with the Mets GM that made it impossible for him to remain in New York.
 
There is probably a third exception, one that covers Frank Robinson and Roger Clemens…‘the end is (not) nigh’ exception?
 
Even whenthose conditions do apply, a team is more apt hold on to their Great Players than let them go. Ty Cobb was a jerk, but the Tigers held onto him because he was too good to let go. The Cubs couldn’t contend with Banks, but they sure didn’t want anyone else trying to, either. The Orioles were in the doldrums in the late 1980’s, but they didn’t move Ripken. The Brewers never moved Yount. The Royals never moved Brett. The Cardinals never moved Ozzie. The Padres kept Gwynn and the Twins kept Kirby. You get the idea.
 
None of the above exceptions apply to Mauer. The Twins, who will be moving into a nice new stadium in 2010, are coming off a division title year: they will have the requisite finances to afford Mauer and they should remain contenders in the AL Central. As for the second exception, Mauer is about as far away from having a conflict of personality as anyone in baseball.
 
Say the Twins do move Mauer. What is the precedent?
 
Colavito in 1959. That bad.
 
People think that the Ruth sale was tough, but the Red Sox were 66-71 in 1919, good for just 6th place in the AL. Ruth was the best player in baseball even then, but it didn’t matter a hill of beans to the Red Sox: they were a sinking ship before Ruth was sold. If anything, Ruth's sale was the last nail in the coffin.
 
But Colavito…that was ugly. Colavito was the most popular Cleveland since Lajoie, and the fans were irate that he was swapped for Harvey Kuenn. Cleveland finished second in 1959, five games back of the Go-Go Sox. They moved Colavito in the off-season and immediately fell off the table…they had a long stretch of years under .500, starting in 1960. That wasn’t all to do with Colavito, but the Cleveland fans sure thought it did. Meanwhile Harvey Kuenn, whose only mistake was winning a batting title in 1959, was moved after the season
 
Colavito wasn’t a great player, but he was incredibly popular. Mauer is a great player, and if anything he is morepopular in Minnesota than Colavito was in Cleveland.
 
Should the Twins sign Mauer?
 
Again, I thinkthe Twins will sign Mauer. But there might be a few reasons not to sign Mauer.
 
First, he’s a catcher. He has caught 607 games in the major leagues, and if he plays the entirety of 2010 we can give him credit for at least one hundred more games, putting him up over 700 major league games behind the plate, plus however many game he caught in the minors.
 
Catching takes its toll on a player, and Mauer’s worth is tired directly to his catching. He is a $20-million-a-year catcher, but it is less certain that he is a $20-million-a-year first baseman or designated hitter. Should Mauer move off the plate, he would almost certainly be over-paid.
 
What am I saying? Only that signing Mauer is a risk. To keep him, the Twins will have to allocate about 20% of their team payroll to Mauer: should he get injured, or should he experience the same rapid decline that most catchers experience, the Twins will suffer.
 
A team like the Yankees or Red Sox can afford a risk like Mauer. Indeed, teams in divisions where wins are most costly need totake such risks. But the Twins, who languish in the AL Central, might be better served moving Mauer for a broader swath of cost-controlled talent.
 
All that said, I hope the Twins hold on to him. He’s the best player they’ve ever had.  
 
Dave Fleming is a writer living in Chicago. He welcomes comments, questions, and suggestions here and at dfleming1986@yahoo.com.
 
 

COMMENTS (13 Comments, most recent shown first)

ventboys
Oops, and Puckett. I'd guess that the Twin fans would have Kirby number one on the list at this moment.
12:27 AM Feb 6th
 
ventboys
Well said, Brian. I see that Fleming is your last name. Are you related to Dave?

I loved the article, and the discussion that followed. What most caught my own attention was the last, almost thrown-away line of the article:

Is Mauer the best Twins’ player ever? I am not saying that he isn’t; just that it’s a good question. Just off of the top of my head, the team:

C- Mauer
1b- Hrbek
2b- Carew
3b- Gaetti
ss- Versalles
lf- Allison
cf- Puckett
rf- Oliva
dh/other- Killebrew
lhp- Kaat
lhp- Santana
rhp- Blyleven
rhp- Radke
cl- Nathan
cl- Aguilera

I’d be hesitant to call Mauer the best that they have ever had yet (I’d go with Carew, Oliva and Killer as ahead of him, as well as maybe Johan), but I would agree with the spirit of the comment; that he is well on the way to that distinction.

12:25 AM Feb 6th
 
BrianFleming
Dave, you could be right that Mauer will resign with the Twins when his contract ends but all evidence I see points to this going in another direction and here's why:

In your article on the best players of the last decade only Ichiro, Posada, Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, and Oswalt played for one team whereas I-Rod, Kent, A-Rod, Bonds, Beltran, Ortiz, Thome, Vlad Guerrero, Johnson, Santana, Schiling, Edmonds, Martinez and Halladay all switched teams during the peek of their careers. (**Please note for the sake of argument I included Pedro, Thome, Ichiro, Edmonds and I-rod who you listed as close second place finishers in their positions to give us a larger list of players).

So we have to ask why did Ichiro, Posada, Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, and Oswalt stay on one teams? Well the answer is simple, Posada, Jeter, Rivera and Pujols stayed with teams that play in large markets and who have enough to spend money to retain and sign MVP type players. Ichiro of course stayed in Seattle because so much of the Mariners organizations marketing and identity is tied up in Ichiro (losing him would be like Disney losing Mickey Mouse). So that leaves us with Oswalt as the outlier but his peek was far less dramatic from the other pitchers on your list. Oswalt is very consistent, but he never peeked finishing 3rd place once, 4th place three times and 5th place once in the Cy Young vote whereas the other pitchers Johnson won 5 Cy's, Pedro won 3, Santana won 2 and Schilling finished 2nd three times.

So the conclusion is GREAT players in this era of hundred million dollar contracts usually will go to another team and Mauer staying in Minnesota would be a rare exception to the general business practices of baseball. So I think the answer to your original question of "Let’s ask that question in a different way: is there any precedent for the Twins not keeping him?" is hell yes there is.

Finally I'd like to point out in your comparison of Mauer to the best catcher in baseball history again points to the fact that Mauer staying a Twin is even more unlikely. Of the greatest catchers only Carter, Fisk, Piazza, and I-Rod played full seasons during Joe Mauer's lifetime and ALL of them moved around during the peak of their careers.

So you could be right, Minnesota might go with the Ichiro situation where the player becomes the center piece of their franchises marketing efforts for the foreseeable future and therefore cannot be traded but I think there is a hell of a chance Mauer opts to sign somewhere else for more money.

Also the Twins did let Santana go…

11:59 PM Feb 3rd
 
SeanKates
Didn't take that long to do a rough sketch: http://www.billjamesonline.net/ArticleContent.aspx?AID=1305
1:20 PM Feb 2nd
 
SeanKates
Agreed that the point of the article is whether the Twins will sign Mauer, and they will (or have, according to some reports). However, I am looking at one of the off-shoots of the article, that teams, as Dave says, "don't let [Great Players] go." Early returns suggest this isn't really the rule, and might be the exception, at least in this day and age.
12:15 PM Feb 2nd
 
Richie
Excellent article, Dave.

And the pertinent issue isn't 'will Mauer spend his whole career with Minnesota', but 'will he sign a long-term contract with them'. That's the question Dave's asking here.
12:05 PM Feb 2nd
 
SeanKates
I actually am interested enough in this to write it up. I'll take a look to see if my crazy claims might be backed up by actual facts or not. No doubt a monkey could do this in about 45 minutes...I would expect an article in 3-4 weeks.

11:18 AM Feb 2nd
 
evanecurb
Ten great players, off the top of my head, from the free agency era: Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine, Chipper Jones (can't think of one without thinking immediately of the other three), Ripken, Frank Thomas, Bagwell, Biggio (one without the other? no way), McGwire, Sosa (ditto), is that ten? yes, it is. Let's see: Chipper, Ripken, Bagwell, Biggio stayed with one team. Smoltz did the Mays/Aaron thing, and the other five switched teams at least once when they still had gas left in the tank. OK let's try it again:

Brett, Palmer, Carlton, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Evans (one without the other? Can't do it, can you? OK we'll drop Evans, Lynn and Rice - they weren't really all time greats), Gary Carter, Winfield, Yount, Bonds, Thome: Let's count 'em up - Brett, Palmer, and Yount were one team guys. Carlton, Fisk, Carter, Winfield, Bonds, and Thome all switched teams - I think SKates may have something here.
10:51 AM Feb 2nd
 
SeanKates
I think it's an odd exercise to pick out ten names from all of history and see if they stuck around their teams. Of course most of them did; they had nowhere else to go, no means to exit or force an exit. While I believe Mauer ultimately stays, I think he will be one of the few stars in the last 20-30 years to actually spend his career (or the greatest chunk thereof) with one team. Since FA, you can count on maybe one hand the true game changers who have stuck with one team. Even the list of the best players from the past 5 years (whose careers aren't finished for the most part) mostly consists of players who have spent time with multiple teams: A-Rod, Teix, Hanley (cheap to count, but I bet he moves again anyway), MigCab, Halladay, Bonds, Manny. The HOFs from the past 25 years have more often moved teams than not.
8:55 AM Feb 2nd
 
evanecurb
Campanella? I don't know where to get his win shares, but from 1949-53, he had an OPS+ of 141, an offensive winning percentage of 70%, and created 7.3 runs per game.

You also overlooked Tenace. 1973-77: OPS+ of 139, OWP of 66%. Unfortunately, he wasn't as good a catcher as Piazza.

But I'm serious about Campanella. That guy was good.
11:03 PM Feb 1st
 
evanecurb
new ballpark. Need to fill it. They will pay him.

People will come, Ray.
10:48 PM Feb 1st
 
chuck
Dave, what do you make of his power surge last season? I recently posted a look at Mauer's and David Wright's fly ball and home run rates last year. Mauer's fly ball rate (per batted ball) has been rising but is still below 30%; but his home run per fly ratio more than doubled last year (to over 20%)- none of his previous four seasons was anywhere near it.
Did you hear anything last year about him making changes to either his swing or to his strength? And do you think he'll continue the trend this year or fall back to his normal hr/fly ratio of around 6 to 10%?
5:03 PM Feb 1st
 
kcale
I am a BIG Mauer fan. Interesting analysis but when comparing win shares across eras and leagues there are a few problems. First Mauer is competing against an extra hitter (or half a hitter) with the DH so his BWS are more difficult to come by. Second there is an effect of time... the competition today is better so Mauer's win shares are again depressed somewhat. He's a better hitter than Bench and I would argue as good defensively (you may disagree) but I think he comes to the top when you adjust for these factors.
4:14 PM Feb 1st
 
 
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