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February 22, 2008

Clemens 1

 

            The general points that I want to make here are very limited, and can be enumerated briefly:

 

            1)  Until this issue stepped to the center of the stage, I had always assumed that Roger Clemens had used steroids.  I assumed that because that’s what all the people “in the know” assumed—the writers and front office executives who gossip about these things in bars and in the break room.

            But once Clemens steps up, in this very dramatic way, and asserts that he never used anything, that changes the ground rules.   He is entitled to a reasonable presumption of innocence.

 

            2)  I am certainly not a fanatic about the presumption of innocence.  The legal presumption of innocence is a meaningful construct only where a person stands in jeopardy of punishment.   It is a protection against the careless and unwarranted use of the powers of the state.  As long as it is just you and me talking and neither of us is in a position to punish the accused, we can say whatever we think is true.

            That’s not what I’m talking about, the legal presumption of innocence.  What I am referring to is more like the benefit of the doubt that one decent person owes another in difficult circumstances.

            If you have two friends who go through a nasty divorce and he is saying horrible things about her and she is saying horrible things about him, you treat him as if the things she was saying were untrue, and her as if the things he was saying were untrue.  You give them both the benefit of the doubt.

            Decent people do not say unkind and defamatory things about others, at this level, unless they know those things to be true.   Unless and until we have clear evidence that Clemens used something, in my mind, he didn’t. 

 

            3)  The “Andy Pettitte” evidence seems to me to have a very low level of significance.  If Pettitte was saying that he and Roger regularly shot up steroids together, that would be one thing.  That’s not what he is saying.  He is saying that he had two conversations with Clemens about the use of HGH, five years apart, in the second of which Clemens told him that he had misunderstood the first.

            That conversation, the one in which Clemens denied HGH use, doesn’t count against Clemens; it counts in favor of him—not very much, but it is on his side.  That leaves us with one conversation, in 1999, which Clemens later told Pettitte that he had misunderstood.   I don’t see that as weighty evidence.

 

            4)  At an earlier stage of this dispute, some people argued that McNamee’s testimony was more credible because McNamee was in a position where he would go to jail if he lied.  But at this point, either Clemens or McNamee, whichever is found to be lying, is very likely to go to prison. 

The difference is this:  McNamee found himself in that position because he was caught selling drugs, and “legal jeopardy” was a step forward from a certain prison term.   Clemens is in that position because he very deliberately stepped in front of the bullet and demanded an opportunity to clear his name. 

            How, in that circumstance, can anyone think that makes McNamee more credible than Clemens?

 

 

Clemens 2

 

            This portion of the article focuses on the statistical analysis which has been mixed in with the Clemens discussion.

            On the Colbert Report on February 14, 2008, John Feinstein asserted baldly that Clemens was guilty, and said “his ERA dropped by three runs in his forties” (quote is from memory; my apologies if the wording is inexact.) 

            But first, the difference between the highest Earned Run Average of Clemens’ career and the lowest is less than three runs, so I don’t understand how anyone can interpret that as a three-run drop in his Earned Run Average, in his forties or at any other age. 

            Second, let’s set aside for a moment the issue of age.  Clemens had a 4.35 ERA in 2002, a 1.87 ERA in 2005.  But setting aside the issue of age, a 2.48 run fluctuation in ERA over a period of three years is an entirely routine event.   ERAs go up and down all the time for many reasons.

            Tim Belcher in 1991 had an ERA of 2.62.  Three years later, aged 32, his ERA was up to 5.89.   But two years after that, it was back down to 3.92.

            Vida Blue had a 5.01 ERA in 1979.  The next year it dropped to 2.97.

            Bert  Blyleven had a 5.43 ERA in 1988, at age 37.  The next year he cut it to 2.73.

            Kevin Brown had a 4.82 ERA in 1994.  In 1997 he cut it to 1.89.

            John Burkett had a 5.68 ERA in 1998 (aged 33), and, to prove it wasn’t a fluke, a 5.62 ERA in 1999.   But in 2001 he cut it to 3.04. 

            There are only 112 pitchers since 1950 who pitched 150 innings ten times.  Belcher, Blue, Blyleven, Brown and Burkett are all on that list, and we’re not out of the B’s yet.   And I’m only using ERAs from seasons when they pitched enough innings to make the ERA meaningful.  It’s just a very normal thing for a pitcher’s ERA to bounce up and down like that.   It doesn’t indicate a profound change in the pitcher’s stuff.   It just indicates. . .one year you have a little injury, you have a little bad luck, your slider flattens out on you, your ERA goes up.   The next year you’re more healthy, you’ve got the slider back, you’ve got Adam Everett playing shortstop behind you, things go your way.  

            That was setting aside the issue of age; now embracing the issue of age.

            If you take a 35-year-old pitcher and a 25-year-old pitcher of the same age and ability, same strikeout level, there is very little difference in their expected future performance.  If you don’t study it really, really well, you can reach the conclusion that there is no difference in their expected future performance.  There is a difference, but it’s tiny.   Aging for a pitcher is not like aging for a position player, which is general and progressive.  Pitchers pitch until they get hurt and can’t pitch anymore.

            Why, then are there (almost) no 45-year-old pitchers?  Simple attrition.  If you take a thousand 25-year-old pitchers and twenty to twenty-five percent of them get hurt each year, by age 35 more than 90% of them will be gone.  By age 40 98% of them are gone. 

            That simple paradigm describes the aging of pitchers.  There are about one thousand good 25-year-old pitchers in baseball history, counting the one-year-wonders who had their good year at age 24 or 26 or 23 or 27.   A substantial percentage of them get hurt every year.  By age 40, they’re almost all gone.

            Clemens beat the attrition lottery, and stayed in the game longer than almost any other pitcher.  Whether he beat the odds by luck, hard work or drugs. . .I don’t know.  My point is that, as long as he kept pitching 100+ innings a year he was in the game, and as long as he was in the game, he was subject to the normal year-to-year fluctuations in ERA.

            Clemens’ agents in late January released a weighty analysis of Clemens’ career, attempting to undercut the notion that there was something suspicious in Clemens’ accomplishments by pointing out similar up and down movements in the careers of other pitchers.   In response to that, three professors variously associated with the Wharton School and the Freakanomics group issued a rebuttal insisting that Clemens’ career path is highly unusual, and bears little resemblance to the career progressions of the pitchers discussed by Clemens’ advocates.

            In the debris flying from this controversy there are arguments about whether it is better to measure a pitcher’s effectiveness by ERA, ERA plus, WHIP, Runs Saved Against Average, or some other measure.  In following this discussion I find numerous assertions that Clemens had his best seasons after age 40.   The advocates of the various metrics seem to be engaged in a kind of proxy fight over whether or not that is true.

            Well, it isn’t true.  Roger Clemens did not have his best seasons in his forties.  I have two methods that are germane to this issue, either of which is much more directly on point than any of the metrics being cited in the debate.   One is the Win Shares method, which is a complicated way of asking the question “How many games did this player win for his team?”   By the Win Shares method, Roger Clemens best seasons are 1997 (aged 34), 1986 (aged 23) and 1987 (aged 24).   No season in his forties ranks among Clemens’ seven best seasons.

            The other method is the Season Scores method, which is a fairly simple, seat-of-the-pants method for combining Wins, Losses, Saves, Strikeouts, Walks, Innings Pitched and ERA into one number, used to routinely indicate the best season within a group of seasons.  By the Season Scores method, Clemens’ best seasons were 1997, 1986 and 1990.  No season in his forties ranks among Clemens’ eight best seasons.

 

 

Clemens 3

 

            It is difficult to say for certain what Feinstein is referring to with the allegation that Clemens cut three runs off his ERA in his forties, because

a)      Clemens has had a long career with several up-and-down movements in his ERA, and

b)      There are no two years with a three-run separation in ERA. 

 

But we have to assume he is referring to the difference between Clemens’ 2001 and 2004 seasons, since this is the only thing that sort-of makes sense.  So, focusing yet more narrowly on the difference between those two seasons. . .  

            A pitcher’s ERA can drop for any of five reasons:

            1)  Improved control,

            2)  Increased strikeouts, leading to fewer balls in play, thus fewer hits allowed,

            3)  Fewer home runs allowed,

            4)  A better relationship between ERA and the components of ERA, or

            5)  A lower ball-in-play average.

            On point one, Clemens did have a poor-control year by his own standards in 2002 (3.15 walks per nine innings) and a better control year in 2005 (2.64 walks per nine innings).   This difference does not account for a significant percentage of the distance between the two seasons.

            On point two, Clemens’ strikeout rate, relative to the league, did not improve between 2002 and 2005; in fact, it took a substantial step backward.   This is a critical point, and I’ll come back to it in a moment and fling a string of numbers at you.

            On point three, Clemens did reduce his home runs allowed between 2002 and 2005, despite an increase in innings pitched, from 18 to 11.  

            Clemens’ 4.35 ERA in 2002 is misleading, because his ERA components were better than that.   He had a season when

a)      hitters were able to bunch their hits against him, and/or

b)      his relievers allowed the runners he left on to score.

Clemens had a 4.35 ERA in 2002, but a component ERA of 3.74—a fairly normal discrepancy, but my point is that 3.74 is a better indicator of how he really pitched than 4.35.

            But the vast majority of the improvement in Clemens’ ERA between 2002 and 2005 comes from a dramatic improvement in his ball-in-play average.   In 2002 the in-play average against Clemens was .323.   In 2005 it was .248.   Since he had about 500 balls per season in play against him, that’s a savings of roughly 35 hits.   That is by far the largest cause of the difference in his ERA.

            What follows is the key sentence in this three-part Clemens article.   Can someone explain to me how it is possible for steroid use to cause the in-play average against a pitcher to drop by 74 points?   Modern students of the baseball almost universally believe that a pitcher has very minimal control of the in-play average against him.   The in-play average can be influenced by the park.   It can be influenced by the defensive quality of the team.  It is influenced, to a huge extent, by luck.   It can be influenced, to a small extent, by the pitcher himself.   But it is impossible to understand how any meaningful portion of that improvement could be caused by Clemens use of any performance-enhancing drug. 

            What steroid/HGH use could cause—and I am certainly not saying that Clemens did not use steroids, HGH, Rogain, Ritalin, Viagra or Formula 44—but what that could reasonably cause is

a)      an increase in durability, or

b)      an increase in the strikeouts, resulting from an increase in velocity.

Neither of which occurred.   Clemens’ Batters Faced, by three-year groups starting in 1986, show a slow decline with a dropoff in his forties:

Ages 23-25      1986-1988       3217

Ages 26-28      1989-1991       3041

Ages 29-31      1992-1994       2489

Ages 32-34      1995-1997       2699

Ages 35-37      1998-2000       2661

Ages 38-40      2001-2003       2564

Ages 41-43      2004-2006       2167

 

As for his strikeouts, Clemens moved in 2004 to the National League, where pitchers attempt to hit, and consequently the strikeout rate is higher.  In spite of this his strikeouts decreased sharply between 2002 and 2005.   Clemens relative strikeout rate was 1.81 (81% above the league norm) in 1988.  It was over 1.50 from 1996 to 1998, and it was 1.53 in 2002.   In 2005, when he posted a 1.87 ERA at age 42, it was 1.20—the lowest of his career up to that point. 

So both of the key indicators that would appear to be plausibly related to steroid or HGH use—strikeouts and durability—declined normally for Clemens as he aged.  His “improvement” from 2002 to 2005 resulted from small, normal fluctuations in control and home runs allowed, and from a large improvement in his in-play batting average.  None of this can be reasonably connected to steroid use.  

Why, then, did Clemens last so long?

First, as noted before, Clemens won the attrition lottery that strikes down 20 to 25% of pitchers every year.   Second, Clemens strikeout rate

1)      was declining from a high point, and

2)      declined at a very slow rate until he reached 40.

 

Whether that rate declined slowly because of hard work or drug assistance, again, I have no way of knowing.   

 
 

COMMENTS (33 Comments, most recent shown first)

rlgosnell
Bill,

An informed and lucid digestion of Clemens and his career and the misuse and misrepresentation of the statistical data therein, which I think was the point of the article. As far as PEDs not having an effect on his durability, I feel that it might not be possible to determine that from the numbers he produced on the field because the effect of the PEDs had its effect before he produced the numbers. His durability (batters faced) in a season obviously showed a typical downward trend with age, but without PEDs he may have never faced ANY batters in a given season to begin with - instead of the 2167 batters he faced in his forties, maybe he faces 0 because his body isn't assisted by an outward agent. That issue is impossible to resolve by interpreting the data in his career.
6:48 PM Mar 30th
 
behindthepen
I addressed some of Clemens historical variations in a post over at sosh last Spring (http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=18618). I think most of the variations can probably be explained parks, AL/NL, and defense.

However, I tried to compare the testimony to the data. The testimony was that he started using in the middle of the season when he was getting weaker and having strikeout issues. You can see some variations in performance that match the story, such as K%PA trends through each season, but it's really not possible to have much confidence in their descriptive strength.
4:27 PM Mar 22nd
 
mikeclaw
So refreshing to read an objective analysis of the Clemens/McNamee thing. Despite what a lot of previous posters seem to think, nowhere does this article say that Clemens is innocent. It says he should have the benefit of the doubt, and I'd say that's absolutely correct. Isn't that what we do when we have two people giving conflicting reports with no actual evidence to support either side?

It's funny. When the Mitchell Report came out, and even before the report when it was just rumors and innuendo, people ran around saying, "Well, if it isn't true about (Insert Player's Name Here), then why isn't he denying it???" Now we have one player who has done that ... who has stood up and said loudly and forcefully "I DID NOT DO THIS!" ... and those same people laugh and say, "Yeah, right, we all know he's lying."

Great article.

12:17 PM Mar 21st
 
alexa
Bill, first of all I hope you read this as I think it is the first time I've ever written to you. I am a 39 yr old attorney who started reading baseball abstract in about 1979 or 1980. I read them every year and read all your stuff. Thank you for every article you ever wrote. Had I followed my dreams as a 12 year old kid instead of worrying about a stat man's salary perhaps I'd be doing what you do now. I too remember how you heavily disputed Rose's innocence, and I believed it. I was younger than- we all were, and we want desperately to believe our heroes, and our game, is pure...but it just aint so anymore, maybe it never was. I remember how psyched I was when Clemens returned to glory in '97-I love a great comeback story. But I just don't believe Clemens, thats what it comes down to. I wish I did, but as a person, and as a lawyer, people lie all the time. McNamee has no reason to lie-it pains him to have to come clean about Clemens-you couild see it at the hearing. Clemens, though, has every reason to lie. The truth will come out eventually. Again, thanks for everything!
1:49 PM Mar 17th
 
maryadel
This is a test.

Please ignore
8:51 AM Mar 16th
 
CharlesSaeger
The more and more I see numbers on steroids, the more and more I think, "So what if he took steroids? Did they do anything?" We take it as an article of faith that steroids make a hitter hit for more power and a pitcher throw harder, but what evidence is there of that? As for recovery time, if steroids are given by trainers to put someone back in the lineup and they do that, that's an argument in favor of steroid use, not against it.

If there's long-term health problems with steroids, we do need to know this and what they are, because then the players who take them are hurting themselves. In this case, steroid testing would be demanded by the MLBPA to protect the players against the owners, this being a clear-cut tragedy of the commons. But we want to be dealing with facts, not outrage -- who takes them and what do they do?
11:02 AM Mar 15th
 
kenwarren
Hey Bill, this is all very good and interesting, but the case against Clemens is not based on his career statistical pattern, so why are you trying to refute the silly claims that were made in this regard.

Clemens has lied about his discussions with Pettitte, the fact that his family were over-night guests at Canseco's home when Clemens had his initial discussions with Canseco and McNamee regarding steroid use, his "buttocks injuries" while with the Blue Jays, and on and on. Everybody else that McNamee says he injected have fessed up.....but not Roger. So McNamee is lying only about Clemens, possibly his best friend. Yea, right.

And good ole Roger, the anti-steroid advocate allows his wife to have a steroid injection from McNamee, but he wouldn't use if for himself. Yea right again.

Oh, but Debbie did this on her own. Yea, where did she get the idea. What possible reason would she have to approach McNamee if he wasn't already doing her hubby Roger. I would love for somebody to publish a list of all the athletes that allowed their wives to do steroids, and even got the injuections from hubby's personal trainer, but didn't do them themselves. I suspect it is a list of one name...god ole Roger Clemens.

Geez Bill, you can be awful naive, as you were in the Pete Rose scandal and are now being regarding Clemens' steroid use. Even the last part of your essay says that Clemens' decline has been amazingly slow, and that "could be" a result of steroid use....but you have no way of knowing.
2:21 PM Mar 14th
 
kenwarren
Hey Bill, this is all very good and interesting, but the case against Clemens is not based on his career statistical pattern, so why are you trying to refute the silly claims that were made in this regard.

Clemens has lied about his discussions with Pettitte, the fact that his family were over-night guests at Canseco's home when Clemens had his initial discussions with Canseco and McNamee regarding steroid use, his "buttocks injuries" while with the Blue Jays, and on and on. Everybody else that McNamee says he injected have fessed up.....but not Roger. So McNamee is lying only about Clemens, possibly his best friend. Yea, right.

And good ole Roger, the anti-steroid advocate allows his wife to have a steroid injection from McNamee, but he wouldn't use if for himself. Yea right again.

Oh, but Debbie did this on her own. Yea, where did she get the idea. What possible reason would she have to approach McNamee if he wasn't already doing her hubby Roger. I would love for somebody to publish a list of all the athletes that allowed their wives to do steroids, and even got the injuections from hubby's personal trainer, but didn't do them themselves. I suspect it is a list of one name...god ole Roger Clemens.

Geez Bill, you can be awful naive, as you were in the Pete Rose scandal and are now being regarding Clemens' steroid use. Even the last part of your essay says that Clemens' decline has been amazingly slow, and that "could be" a result of steroid use....but you have no way of knowing.
2:20 PM Mar 14th
 
meandean
Bill, I agree that Clemens' vigorous denials make him more credible in my mind, and it bothers me when people argue the contrary. The players whom *I* don't find credible are the ones who either refuse to comment, or who deny it until damning evidence is found, at which point they admit that yes, they did it that once. (And if more evidence is found, they'll admit they did it twice. Guess who one of these people is? Andy Pettitte. Anyway.) Clemens is acting like an innocent, wrongly accused person would act. Does that prove that he *is* an innocent, wrongly accused person? Certainly not. But at least he passes Step 1.

I also don't like the idea, often stated, that Pettitte must be telling the truth because he's a religious man. I don't think that fact makes him more or less likely to be telling the truth; I think it's totally irrelevant to the issue. Anyway, being religious certainly doesn't give him a better memory, which is what the issue is here; I don't think anyone speculates he is deliberately lying.

All in all, I think it's more likely than not that Clemens did use PED, but you certainly can't prove such a thing either way by stats. (Re: his BABIP decline: Going from Derek Jeter to Adam Everett as your SS probably helps your pitching more than any PED could dream of.)

I feel like it's almost needless to say that the federal government has much better things on which it could be spending its time and money. If it's anyone's problem, it's MLB's.
11:45 AM Mar 10th
 
bpawlikowski
I think the thing that many people assume about steroids and HGH is that they simply make the user stronger. While this is true to a degree, the reason that they have this effect is the regenerative properties they exhibit upon the human body. From what I have read, HGH in particular causes muscle tissue to regenerate itself considerably faster than ordinary. While one effect of this would be to build muscle mass faster following a workout, other effects would include faster recovery from injury (the Pettitte rationale), as well as less suffering from the fatigue of the daily grind of playing baseball. It seems to me that a player who was less fatigued (esp a pitcher) would exhibit greater physical coordination and therefore better command over pitch placement, grip on breaking pitches, etc. By this reasoning it would seem that HGH and/or steroids might have the effect of making a pitcher more effective without necessarily dramatically increasing his musculature, if that was not his desired effect. Obviously hitters would benefit more from added strength than pitchers, and would use both HGH and steroids to gain muscle strength, as well as the other added benefits.
12:35 PM Mar 8th
 
chuck
I was unable to watch the entire hearing with Clemens and McNamee, so perhaps someone can tell me. Has the question ever been raised of what possible motive MacNamee has (if he is lying) to go to such lengths and risks in order to discredit Clemens? I've heard nothing about bad relations between the two men before Mitchell talked with McNamee. If I were Clemens' attorney, I'd think presenting a motive would be key in discrediting McNamee's story.
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6:03 AM Mar 4th
 
jdurkee
I think we've blown right by the point. If the absence of attrition is the reason for longevity, why couldn't that we an effect of "medication?" Isn't that why players of any sport have an interest in "medication" -- to recover from attrition?
4:27 PM Mar 2nd
 
wpcorbett
This article alone is worth my $9 and a lot more. It’s the sort of evidence-based insight I expect from Bill James. Bill, are you available as an expert witness for the defense?

Beyond the performance analysis, I have to take exception to your comment about the weight of Pettite’s testimony. I am not a lawyer, but have covered many criminal trials in more than 40 years as a news reporter, including murder cases, a treason trial and some of the Watergate trials. Juries give great weight to testimony that “goes to the credibility of the witness.” If Clemens is tried, Pettite will be a devastating witness against him, as will the others who confirm other McNamee statements. Most telling to me: Pettite says McNamee was furious when he learned that Clemens had told Pettite about using HGH. Inescapable conclusion: Clemens was using HGH, and McNamee knew it.

According to Roger, everybody is lying but Roger. (Except for Canseco, a *great* defense witness.) Nobody gets acquitted that way.




4:53 PM Feb 29th
 
mnamee
Clemens sure seems like a shady character, and from what I can tell, he probably did use HGH or steroids. What this article suggests to me is that if he DID use, they didn't really help, at least not in a substantial way.
11:11 PM Feb 26th
 
sdbunting
No, the performance of Vance, Tiant et al. isn't particularly suspicious, but these pitchers weren't working during a time that seems destined to become known as The Steroids Era. We wouldn't consider those fluctuations abnormal, or hinky, or derived from illegal supplements, because we would have no cause to do so. Pitchers who were contemporaries or teammates of Hal Chase, we might have cause to examine with a furry eyeball, but for evidence of the gambling influence, pre the Black Sox trial, was rampant in the game. I'm glad you wrote this piece because I think some of the more strident claims about Clemens's performance in his forties needed some calm debunking. That said, it's my feeling, not borne out by statistics but merely my sense, that Clemens is insisting that he's innocent because he knows he's more likely to be believed than The Drug Pusher...and we have no real basis to assume that Clemens is telling the truth here, any more than we have basis to assume McNamee is. If it were Curt Schilling, who has a reputation for giving it to us sugar-free, sure. Clemens, I couldn't begin to guess as to his relative believability. But I sure think he's full of it now, and I didn't want to believe it either -- not when Denny McLain outed Clemens at a conference I attended last year, not when the report came out, and not now. Sure, we should presume he's innocent, but he's acting guilty as a mofo, at the worst possible historical juncture given what he's accused of. Just my opinion. And now my dad is going to wash my keyboard out with soap for disagreeing with Bill James.
2:41 PM Feb 26th
 
bjames
1) I am genuinely mystified by the argument that McNamee’s statements about Clemens are validated because he has, on occasion, told the truth. Yes, he told the truth about Petitte and Knoblauch and where he went to grade school, but he lied about fifteen other things. Why should we focus on some list of his truthful statements, and ignore the untruthful ones?
The ESSENTIAL question is, is McNamee a reliable witness? “Reliable” meaning that one can count on him to tell the truth. The answer to that seems pretty obvious to me.
2) Regarding Clemens having had much better seasons at ages 34 and 35 than he had had at 31-33. ..is this uncommon? Is this suspicious?
At age 33 Curt Schilling was 11-12 with a 3.81 ERA. At ages 34 and 35 he was better than Clemens was.
Many, many pitchers in their mid-30s have dramatic comebacks after down phases in their careers. . .Cy Young, Babe Adams, Dazzy Vance, Robin Roberts, Virgil Trucks, Luis Arroyo, Walter Johnson, Paul Derringer, Luis Tiant and Allie Reynolds, to name just a few. Are you really arguing that this is suspicious?
And if you’re NOT arguing that this is suspicious—which you’re not, because it very clearly is not—then what exactly are we supposed to take from the fact that Clemens (like many other pitchers) had a career upturn in his mid-thirites?

2:19 AM Feb 26th
 
Gno
If you want to know the truth, Bill, you should be focused on Comparing Clemens numbers from 1993-1996 to 1997-1998. Clemens seemed to be declining in both durability and quality four years straight, and then found the fountain of youth at the ages of 34-35. He won two triple crowns, set career highs in so/9 both seasons, even by your winshares system it was his best back to back stretch.
5:12 PM Feb 25th
 
shaneyfelt
Thanks for the insight. I had no idea about the fact that there are only 112 pitchers since 1950 who pitched 150 innings ten times. I have been wondering whether your current position with the Red Sox would allow you write about Clemens, so I appreciate this more.

I do disagree with your thought the Pettitte evidence is very low level. It is very likely that a judge would place a high level of weight on Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch confirming McNamee statements. One of the items we don't know, but the Feds may know, is number of PEDs that were delivered to McNamee and McNamee had to account for them to the Feds. This is long from over and the evidence is long from being done.

However the statical info is what I have been waiting for and I am glad you took the time.


2:24 PM Feb 25th
 
shaneyfelt
Thanks for the insight. I had no idea about the fact that there are only 112 pitchers since 1950 who pitched 150 innings ten times. I have been wondering whether your current position with the Red Sox would allow you write about Clemens, so I appreciate this more.

I do disagree with your thought the Pettitte evidence is very low level. It is very likely that a judge would place a high level of weight on Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch confirming McNamee statements. One of the items we don't know, but the Feds may know, is number of PEDs that were delivered to McNamee and McNamee had to account for them to the Feds. This is long from over and the evidence is long from being done.

However the statical info is what I have been waiting for and I am glad you took the time.


1:40 PM Feb 25th
 
jfd001
Bill James at his best, comments informed by logic and statistical analysis, and without bias.
9:24 AM Feb 25th
 
cunegonde
Thought=provoling analysis, as always. Two points: (1) I believe that the general sense that McNamee is more credible than Clemens comes in part from the fact that the others he has named have 'fessed up, as well as the fact that some other players (C. J. Nitkowski, for example) have volutarily vouched for him without any obvious reason for doing so other than that they believe he's telling the truth; (2) Feinstein's reference aside, the initial timing of the alleged injections squares with the change in Clemens' performance from the "lost years" (1993-96) to the fabulous Jays years (1997-98), which is probably more relevant to the allegations than anything that has happened this decade. All that said, I agree with Bill that none of these considerations clearly determine Clemens' guilt or innocence, although I think the picture is a little darker than he paints it.
8:59 PM Feb 24th
 
dtoddwin
I find it virtually impossible to believe that Clemens' wife could get an HGH shot from Clemens' personal trainer and Roger would not be asked about it by either individual or have any knowledge that this was taking place. It's just not possible in my opinion and thus his defense lacks credibility.

Nonetheless, the fact that Clemens did "step in front of the bullet" as Bill suggests and willingly testify under oath has to raise some doubt. Otherwise we have seen a level of arrogance and stupidity rarely approached.
6:28 PM Feb 24th
 
Clack
I agree with you, particularly with respect to your positions stated in Part 1 and Part III, since they are consistent with my own opinions/conclusions. The only really unique post-age 40 season for Clemens was 2005, when he put up a sub-2 ERA. In that season, he had the highest Left on Base Pct. (82.3%) of any NL starter. How can steroids boost the LOB%? Clemens' Fielding Independent Pitching exceeded his ERA by the second highest margin in the NL that season (Suppan was highest). By many defensive measures, the Astros had one of the best defensive teams in the NL in 2005. I'm not saying Clemens was totally lucky in 2005; he had an excellent season and (from my own observation) he had a tremendous knack for coming up with the key pitch when the score was 1-0 or 0-0 (which was often that season...he had horrible run support) and the other team threatened to score. (I see a lot of discussion of "clutch hitting" but what about "clutch pitching?") As a final point, keep in mind that Clemens was subjected to MLB's current regime of steroids testing in 2005.
11:53 AM Feb 24th
 
MarisFan61
Great and interesting analysis.....
BUT, regarding the "Pettitte evidence" -- just one small but (I think) KEY point: ..... If we are to even think of believing Clemens' assertion that Pettitte misunderstood or "misremembered" what Clemens said in 1999 or 2000, we have to believe that Clemens' version of what he meant is plausible ..... and I think it's pretty clear that it's NOT ..... Which to me means (almost) game, set, and match.
3:01 AM Feb 24th
 
garywmaloney
Jamesian social commentary (on the law and innocence), blended nicely with sound statistics-based analysis. Key part in section 3 (re BABIP) could not have been written 10 years ago, which goes to show how far things have progressed, even since he published the Abstracts / Handbooks / Baseball Books / etc.
12:13 AM Feb 24th
 
butkussayers
I don't think the question should be whether or not his performance got better or worse. He should not be compared to his earlier years but rather how his performance stacks up with other pitchers between the ages of lets say 38 and 45. Perhaps his numbers did decline but it doesn't mean anything. His so called declining numbers were truly amazing and it could be that the only way to put up these truly amazing numbers in his "declining" years was to use PED's. Besides, statistics aside, Clemens and his wife's chummy relationship with the Canseco's should tell us all we need to know. And are we to think that Clemens did not know for all those years that McNamee was not a Ped pusher? And wouldn't he have the common sense to disassociate himself with such a person (guilt by association)? I love you Bill, but I think you did this study from the wrong angle.
11:38 PM Feb 23rd
 
stevesherman
Good analysis, Bill, but I think your heart has got in the way of your mind. I wanted to think that Roger was telling the truth, but the hearings were devastating.

You were wrong on Pete and I think you are also wrong on Roger. God, it hurts to say that.
5:28 PM Feb 23rd
 
myersb
Nick, where in this piece do you get the idea Bill is claiming Clemens' innocence? The argument more accurately states that there is no evidence in the numbers to support a presumption of guilt. That's a very different statement than presumption of innocence.
12:19 PM Feb 23rd
 
Nick
You thought Pete was innocent as well. I love your baseball writing, but Woodward & Bernstein have nothing to fear from you.
8:07 AM Feb 23rd
 
PeteDecour
I agree with Bill and Don. What is sad here is that John Feinstein would make a claim like that.

Good job, bill
12:18 AM Feb 23rd
 
doncoffin
This is the first piece I've read which even mentioned Clemens' BABIP, and I'm somewhat embarrassed not to have thought of it myself. It's a failry important thing...
10:56 PM Feb 22nd
 
 
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