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The Bonds Problem

May 26, 2008

            “I think we should sign him.   Yes, he is old, and yes, he is certainly not the hitter that he was three or four years ago.   Yes, he is a defensive liability at any position.   But after all, the man was the greatest hitter who ever lived just four or five years ago.   You would expect a hitter of that calibre, descending at a normal rate, to remain productive to an unusually advanced age, wouldn’t you?   And he has—OK, his batting average has slipped a hundred points in the last five years, but because of his walks and power, his OPS remains one of the highest in baseball.   And that’s in a pitcher’s park.

            “Yes, our manager doesn’t want him.  He’s an employee; in the final analysis, he’ll work with what we give him.  Yes, the team that has had him for fifteen years, the team for which he has done so much, the team for which he has broken all the home run records and filled all the seats, they no longer want him, after he has carried them on his back for fifteen years and built them a beautiful ballpark, one of the best parks in the majors.   They don’t want him any more; they say he’s a distraction in the clubhouse.

            “But look; we’ve got a chance to win this year.   We were five games over .500 last year.   It’s just a few games, just a few runs, separating us from the World Series. We’re talking here about adding a left-handed hitter with a .450 on base percentage and a .550 slugging.   We don’t have any hitters like that.   He’ll lead our team in both categories.   And we need power in the outfield, and we need power at first base.  Our corner outfielders and our first baseman are all weak hitters.   I just don’t see how we can pass up the opportunity to add one of the best bats in the major leagues—basically for free.   It doesn’t make any sense.

            “And the ‘distraction’ issue. . .isn’t that really just what you make of it?   Yes, we’ll be overrun by media, all writing about him, but is that a bad thing, for a baseball team?   We’re trying to put butts in the huts here.   This guy can help us win the pennant, and he can help us sell tickets.   How can we possibly turn that opportunity down?”

Thus spoke the General Manager of the Boston Braves in the winter of 1934-1935, explaining why they should sign the slugger who was about to be released by the Yankees.   OK, he didn’t, but he could have.   Ruth at that time had essentially every characteristic that Bonds has now—every single one that doesn’t involve the justice department.   He had been the greatest hitter who ever lived.   He was old.  He couldn’t play defense, and he couldn’t run.   He was a left-handed hitter who no longer hit doubles or triples or even a lot of singles, and his batting average had fallen nearly 100 points in a few years, but, because of his walks and his power, he retained an extremely high OPS.   Ruth’s OPS in 1934, before the Yankees released him, was the seventh-highest in baseball.

The 1934 Boston Braves were NOT a bad team.   They were 78-73, after having gone 83-71 in 1933.  They had a strong pitching staff, with two 17-game winners and a 16-game winner.  Their center fielder, Wally Berger, hit .298 with 34 homers, 121 RBI.  They were an outstanding defensive team, probably the best defensive team in baseball.   They were that close to being able to win; they just needed one more big bat to put them over the top.

They signed Babe Ruth.  Their manager begged them not to, but they did it anyway. 

They lost 115 games.  Won 38, lost 115.   They had a worse won-lost record than the ’62 Mets.  

Ruth, it turned out, was an immense distraction, and was totally finished as a player.

Based on my letters, a great many of you think it is obvious that somebody should sign Bonds, and think that he is being discriminated against because

a) people don’t like him, and

b) there is a fear that he will be a distraction.

I don’t see it that way.   I think the problem has many more dimensions than that.  

There is a narrowing of skills that occurs across a player’s career.   A young player typically has a very broad base of skills, but very limited development of those skills.   The young player can run, he can throw, he is quick, he is agile, his eyes are quick and his actions quick, and he comes back quickly from injury.   Unfortunately, he doesn’t know how to play baseball well enough to help you win. 

The skill set of a 17-year-old player might be represented by a rectangle 20 inches wide at the base, but one inch high—thus, a value of 20 square inches, or 20.

 V = B * D

 Value equals Base times Development. .  .actually, Value equals Base times Development, Minus Replacement, but that’s another issue.  As each year passes the base shrinks by let us say 9%, but the development grows by one inch.   At age 20, the rectangle is 15.07 inches wide, 4 inches high, and the value is 60 (60.29).  At 25, the rectangle is 9.41 by 9, and the value is 85 (84.65).   At age 27, the rectangle reaches a peak size of 7.79 by 11, and then it begins to shrink, as the continued refinement of skills no longer keeps pace with the erosion of the base. 

            The rectangle shrinks slowly at first.   After reaching a peak V of 85.7 at age 27, V is still 82.2 at age 30.  As the player ages more, the shrinkage accelerates, so that the player loses 2% of his skills at age 30, 4% at age 35, 5% at age 40.

            Of course, not all players’ skills have the same initial dimensions or the same rate of change.  Some players’ base of skills is 10 inches; some is 30.   Some players’ base erodes at 15% per season, because they don’t take care of themselves, while other players work hard, and their base erodes at 4% or 6%.   Some players learn quickly, and their development goes up by 2 inches a year, while other players never seem to learn anything, and their careers stall out in A ball.  But the same general process, of the narrowing and refining of skills, goes on for all players. 

            Bonds, in my view—like Ruth in 1934—has reached a point of such extraordinary narrowness of his skills that there is an imminent danger that the structure will simply collapse at any moment—as it did on Ruth in 1935.   I think that, if you were to sign Bonds now or if you were to have signed him in February, it is extremely likely that he would hit substantially less than he did last year, and I think that it is not unlikely that he would hit .225 or less.   In 2002 and 2004 he .370 and .362.   The last two years—despite being given more days off to protect him--he has hit .270 and .276.   Where do you think it goes from there?   Do you think it goes back to .370?

            Yes, Bonds now is willing to sign for a $3 over the minimum, and if he had communicated that message in December, I think that he would be on a roster somewhere.  But Bonds now is behind the curve.   The players are in mid-season form.   He isn’t. 

            Setting aside the “distraction” issue and the “bad teammate” rap—and I think that the distraction issue and the bad teammate rap are very real and serious issues, but let’s set them aside for a second—there is still the problem of finding the right job for Bonds.  There are about 400 jobs for major league hitters—30 teams, 13 jobs a team.   There are at least 300 of those jobs that we can say immediately that Bonds couldn’t do.   He can’t play shortstop, he can’t play third base, and he can’t catch.  He can’t play center field or right field or second base.   He can DH, and he can play left field, and maybe he could play first base, who knows.   But saying that there are three-plus jobs per team that he could do is awfully generous.

            In that pool of the 100 remaining jobs, Bonds is competing with the best hitters in baseball.   That’s where David Ortiz is, and Manny Ramirez, and Ryan Howard, and Jim Thome, and Travis Hafner and Albert Pujols and Adam Dunn and Justin Morneau.  That’s where the big boys are.  Unless you’ve lost your mind, you don’t even talk about eating a $40 million contract on one of those guys so that you can see if maybe Barry Bonds is a little bit better.   Take those jobs off the table.

            Not everybody has players of that calibre, true.   But the teams that don’t have one, in general, aren’t going to win anything this year anyway.   It’s just me, but if I’m the General Manager of Kansas City, or Pittsburgh, or even Minnesota or Tampa Bay (which could win their division this year), I don’t want anything to do with Barry Bonds.

            Why?  Simple:  I don’t believe in his future, I’m not convinced of his value in the present, and I’m not interested in the past.

            If you’re the GM of Kansas City, do you really want Barry Bonds taking at bats away from Billy Butler?   If you’re the GM in Minnesota, do you want Bonds taking at bats away from Jason Kubel?    You’re crazy if you do that.   Unless you have a 40% or better chance to win this year, you make major decisions based on the long-term interest of the team. 

            And when you take those jobs out of the picture, what’s left for Bonds?  

            Look, I like Barry Bonds.   I don’t have to deal with him, but I was always on his side, and I still am.  I don’t think he belongs in jail; I think he belongs in the Hall of Fame.   Ten years ago, he was playing by the rules as they were enforced ten years ago.   It seems self-righteous to me to say now that he was cheating. 

            But. . .it’s over.   The end came for Babe Ruth, and the end came for Joe DiMaggio, and the end came for Ted Williams, who had the highest OPS in all of baseball in his last year, and the end came for Stan Musial, who had fifth-highest OPS in baseball in his next-to-last year, and the end came for Mickey Mantle, who had a top-25 OPS in his last year, and the end came for Willie Mays, and the end came for George Brett, and the end came for Mark McGwire, who had the highest OPS in baseball one year before he quit, and the end has come for Barry Bonds.   Give the man a round of applause, get off his ass, and let’s move on.

 
 

COMMENTS (15 Comments, most recent shown first)

Richie
Bonds was a bad teammate. I recall reading that the Giants had hitters' meetings to go over the opposing pitchers, and Bonds wouldn't participate. An incredibly bright hitter, he had lots of great insights he could've shared with his teammates, but wouldn't. Figured any knowledge he shared, it might eventually filter out to the opposing team. True, but is that being a good or a crappy teammate?
Orel Hershiser called him out on ESPN. He did so in that incredibly nice Orel Hershiser way, beginning by saying how appreciative he was of the way Barry interacted with Orel's children. He then added that he often just cringed at seeing the way Barry treated other people, clubhouse attendants, bell boys, etc.
There is a cost to making your other employees work with people like that. Doesn't wipe out what things they do bring to the table. But that cost is there. In a now-marginal case like Bonds-2008, yes that factors in.
12:05 AM Jun 3rd
 
mikeclaw
Amen.
I have no real clue if Bonds was a "bad teammate," and to be honest, I assume that rap is overstated. He doesn't seem like the nicest fellow in the world, but the only overt problem he ever had with teammates was a shoving match with Jeff Kent that pretty much everyone on the scene agreed was Kent's fault.
That said, it would be hard to find a situation where I'd want to sign him for my team at this stage.

But, yes, put the man in the Hall of Fame and stop moralizing. Bill has it exactly right when he writes "Ten years ago, he was playing by the rules as they were enforced ten years ago. It seems self-righteous to me to say now that he was cheating."

10:28 AM May 28th
 
tommyr
Probably the most sensible article written on this subject to date. A semi-contending or struggling ball-club need not hoist its hopes on the past performances of this former wonderful player. Great job Bill.
9:26 AM May 28th
 
tangotiger
Best OPS+, players aged 40 or later, min 400 PA: http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/3tzn

Bonds is #1 and #3. #2 is Mays. He followed that up with a 131 OPS+ (300 PA). Remember that 100 is average. Next is Edgar: 92 OPS+, on 550 PA. dave Winfield: 105 on 600 PA. Stan Musial: 101 OPS+ on 400 PA. Carlton Fisk, twice: 134 OPS+, then 97 OPS+. Harold Baines, Darrell Evans: 93, 104, respectively. Ty Cobb 112, Brian Downing 138. Add it up, and these 10 seasons, other than Bonds had a mean OPS+ the season after their great over 40 season of: 111 OPS+. Their average in their great season was 138. So, the drop was a very large 20%.

Bonds had an OPS+ of 170. You want to get rid of all the IBB, fine. Take off 100 points from his OBP. That knocks out 30 points from his OPS+, bringing him down to a 140 OPS+. Our expectation therefore is an OPS+ of 110. And I think I'm being pretty pessimistic here. I think it's fair to call him as +2 wins above average as a hitter. I don't see how you can go any lower than him being +1 win above average (per 162 games).

He deserves to be paid as a 1 WAR player.

9:00 PM May 27th
 
Trailbzr
Ah, the answer to the trivia question on the reader board is that
Erick Threets, John Bowker, Brian Bocock, and Steve Holm are better than Barry Bonds. (Or at least the Giants think so.)

8:13 PM May 27th
 
jeffsol
It seems to me that the obvious place where there might be a logical fit, even if the risk is as described, is the Mets. This is an underachieving team, built to win now. Their nominal LF, Moises Alou is almost exactly 2 years younger than Bonds. However, over the last 2 years, Alou has been not as good as Bonds and not as able to stay in the lineup as Bonds. His base might be a bit broader in that he still has had, over the last 2 years, the ability to hit for average, but on the other hand, it seems obvious that his abilityt o stay in teh lineup has been consistently declining. and if they were ver both healthy, you could even platoon them. With nobody on the bench or in AAA to block, what risk would there be, other than it doesn;t work, and you cut him?
4:43 PM May 27th
 
ayjay
I think the comments by blackadder and tangotiger suggest the problem in making reliable predictions in this case. It doesn't help too much to invoke Tango's (generally very helpful) data about the decline in the "typical player's" performance after peak age, because almost no one has gotten as far as Bonds past his peak age. Bonds is anything but a typical player. He will be 44 in a couple of months -- which in itself makes it inadvisable to compare him to the 28-year-old Adam Dunn -- and very few players have taken the field at that age. Still fewer have done so after sitting out half a year. And then GMs will be taking into account the possibility that Bonds is an ex-user of PEDs, which very likely would increase the chances of more rapid decline. I think Bill was right to compare Bonds to Ruth, because that case comes far closer than any other to capturing the whole picture of what it would mean to bring Bonds on board. There's just no statistical group to which Bonds can reasonably be said to belong: he's a freak, a total outlier, which means that the kinds of sabermetric data which are applicable to larger populations have to be taken with some large grains of salt here.

4:17 PM May 27th
 
mskarpelos
I not only think Bill is correct in evaluating Bonds this way today, I believe one could have made the same argument two years ago. The Giants mortgaged their future by signing Bonds and other over-the-hill free agents in a last-gasp attempt to win a championship that failed as miserably as it did spectacularly. I've been a Giants fan since I turned eight years old, and I'm 48 now, and in my 40 years of fandom--which includes the time when Johnnie LeMaster and Duane Kuiper were playing for the Giants--I don't think I've ever seen a Giants team with such a pathetically weak offense. I'd be willing to bet that the Giants don't score more than 700 runs in the next three years, maybe the next five which hearkens back to the truly putrid Giants teams of the late 1970s and early 1980s. I like Bonds too, but I would never sign him. The man is radioactive now and can only bring prolonged and painful death to a team's offense.
3:42 PM May 27th
 
djhanen
Since I rely on Tangotiger's work a lot in thinking about free agent signings, I am glad he agrees with me! I would just mention that Tango's numbers are really quite conservative. For example, Tango had him at +2 wins per 162 with the bat, but over the last two years, his non-park adjusted WPA/LI has been about 4.5 each year, which prorated to 650 PA is +6 wins. That doesn't mean that he is wrong, obviously, but no one can say that he is being too generous to Bonds in his numbers!
3:01 PM May 27th
 
tangotiger
I agree with Blackadder.

Another example is Ken Griffey. Dewan's own stats show Bonds and Junior as equally inept in the corners in 2007 (while Junior has been horrible in CF for a long time). And Junior was a worse hitter than Bonds coming into 2008. Junior is close to a replacement level player today (though most wouldn't think of him that way), but if he were to sign for 1 million$, I'm sure there are a handful of teams that would sign him for 2009.

Coming into 2008, I had one of the most pessimistic forecasts for Bonds at: .421/.488 (OBP, SLG). BIS had him at .494/.634! Anyway, I think you have to call Bonds as a hitter as +2 wins above average, per 162 games. You want to call his fielding/position as -2 wins relative to average, fine. (That's the lowest I give any player.) You want to make him -0.5 wins as a runner? Fine, too. Per 162 games, that makes him +1.5 wins above replacement (WAR). (Remember, I'm the one with the really pessimistic forecast.) Giving him 100 games, that makes him +1 WAR, which is worth $4.4MM. The Mariners, A's, BlueJays, Mets, or whoever has already decided to go with over 35 year olds in their LF, 1B, or DH would have been justified in offering him 4MM. Even 2MM is the "peripherals" were too costly. Enough to bring him all the way down to below zero dollars? I can't believe there wouldn't be one team willing to go to minimum salary, if they've already resigned themselves to a not-up-and-comer.

2:32 PM May 27th
 
djhanen
Ok, I'm glad Bill spent the time fleshing out his reasoning about Barry Bonds. Basically, his case comes down to the fact that he thinks Bonds has a large chance of a complete collapse. That may well be true, but in expectation Bonds should still be very valuable. I mean, according to work by Tom Tango, a typical player ages in expectation .5 wins every year after his "peak" age. Even if you age Bonds by TWICE that, 1.0 wins, his performance over the last two years minus one win should still net over $14M in this year's free agent market. Maybe Bill thinks he should be aged by something like 4 wins, which is what his rectangle analogy would indicate, but I really just don't see any evidence for such an extreme discount.

The slots issue is a bit of a red herring, UNLESS you otherwise accept the extreme aging of Bonds. Adam Dunn will face the exact same "slot" issue this offseason, except that he is a worse hitter and fielder than Bonds, and I gurantee someone will sign him.

Finally, I think the last paragraph is a little misleading; of the guys on that list who still had performarmance that justified a major league spot, they all left the game because they just didn't want to play anymore. I am pretty sure that if Ted Williams had wanted to keep playing, he could have signed a contract. If Bonds had willingly retired, we would not be having this discussion. A player of Bonds' current calibre (ignoring 2001-2004) being forced into retirement is, as far as I can tell, historically fairly unique, which is why a special argument is needed for justifying his lack of a contract. James' extreme decline position is one such, but I don't think it is very plausible.
12:40 PM May 27th
 
PeteDecour
I think the Rays or Jays should sign him. Benching Cliff Floyd or Gabe Gross or Jonny Gomes for Bonds is a good idea. Same with whomever is now dhing for the Jays.

I agree the end comes for all players, but for most, it comes as it did for Brett, Schmidt and Carlton, after they could no longer play well, much less as they used to. Schmidt and brett quit when their ops was under .700, not over .850, as did rose, stargell, and most others. there are maybe 5 DHs in baseball who are arguably equal to bonds and at least 7 teams still envisioning themselves in the playoffs, which means 3-4 teams could do better with bonds
10:57 AM May 27th
 
BigDaddyG
As I see it, what are the criteria that make sense for a team to take on Bonds?
A. That they are in that the critical 85-92 win expectation range, where taking on a player who can add 2-3 wins might make the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs
B. The have mediocre talent in the positions where Bonds might play (DH, 1B, LF), so that the marginal difference between Bonds and the player he is replacing has some value offensively
C. The player he is replacing is not a young player they need to develop

To me, the only situation that really makes much sense is the Toronto Blue Jays.

As a Blue Jays fan, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Bonds. They are only a few games out in the East. The players he is most likely to take at-bats from are not young players on the rise (Lyle Overbay is 31, Matt Stairs is 40, Shannon Stewart is 34, Kevin Mench is 30). The Blue Jays are in a kind of nowhere land right now, and if I was GM, I would take a chance on catching lightning in a bottle with Bonds. Without Bonds, the odds of them winning the division is poor. With Bonds circa 2007, the odds of him winning is still poor. But if Bonds of earlier shows up, even in situational at bats, it could make a difference.
10:15 PM May 26th
 
ibrosey
Right on, Bill! Thank you for the clarity, and for the rectangle, which is very cool.
9:56 PM May 26th
 
shaneyfelt
I could not agree more with your paragraph starting out with "If you're the GM for KC..." This is the sole reason alone that no team trying to build something should not sign him.
On the other hand if your point is that he is not a cheater because baseball "looked" the other way, I could not disagree more. All that means is "those" who benefited from Barry & Co cheating looked the other way - so what, his action, if true, were illegal by every measure of the law (except of course baseball law which of course encouraged drug trafficking in their clubhouses which are nothing more than safe houses).
The Hall is a different discussion.

9:03 PM May 26th
 
 
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