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July 14, 2008

            This article results from a series of discussions in multiple venues, all bearing on related issues.   First, Tom Tango sent me a link to an article on insidethebook.com about converting Linear Weights to Win Shares, one paragraph of which is as follows:

 

          So what does all this give us?  Well, it leads us to believe that there’s not much separating Linear Weights and Win Shares.  That you can make an easy conversion from one to the other.  That any problems that one might have with Linear Weights is easily “corrected” by introducing a second dimension, and that second dimension is very easy to calculate. 

 

            As to the notion that Win Shares and Linear Weights would be about the same if stated on the same scale. . ..any two systems which are attempting to measure the same thing should get about the same results, to the extent that both systems are accurate.   Linear Weights and Win Shares, I would assume, would get largely the same results in evaluting hitters, because both systems work, and any system that is accurate is going to observe essentially the same original facts.   The difference between them is like a picture taken with a Nikon digital camera and a picture taken with a Canon and film.   If the camera works, you should get about the same picture either way.  

            The offensive portions of Linear Weights and Win Shares, I would suspect, would in most cases be almost identical if stated in the same form.  The fielding parts, I doubt it. 

I really don’t know what may have been done with Linear Weights in the last ten years or so to advance their evaluations.   But, speaking of the system at the last point at which I had any understanding of it, which was ten or fifteen years ago, the system didn’t really work, in the sense that it didn’t take an accurate “picture” of the player’s fielding contribution.   Thus, I would strongly suspect that if you compared just the fielding portions of the two systems, you would fairly often find quite large disparities.

 

            A few days after that I was having a discussion at work, when a colleague asked me if I thought that Frank White had been overrated defensively.   It’s a fair question, and I didn’t think that he was overrated defensively, watching him play, but then, the people who watch Omar Vizquel play regularly don’t think he’s overrated defensively, either.   It occurred to me then that Frank White is a really good example of the type of player who would perhaps be rated differently by my defensive analysis than by other defensive systems, perhaps including Linear Weights.  

            Offensively, there are strong parallels between Frank White and Bill Mazeroski.   Mazeroski had 2016 hits in his career and hit .260; White had 2006 hits and hit .255.   Neither player walked, so they had on base percentages of .293 (White) and .299 (Maz).   Maz hit 138 homers, drove in 853 runs; White hit 160 homers, drove in 886.   White had a career OPS of .675; Maz, of .667.  

            Defensively, both players were second basemen.  Mazeroski won eight Gold Gloves; White won eight Gold Gloves.   White played in five All-Star games; Maz played in seven, but in five different years, as he got in on a couple of the multi-game seasons.   There are tremendously strong parallels. 

White was much faster than Mazeroski.   White had the quickness, and throwing arm of a premier shortstop, but was moved to second base simply because the Royals had a good shortstop and needed a second baseman.   Mazeroski did not have the quickness or agility of a top rank shortstop, although he had refined the double play pivot to a high art.

            But Mazeroski has defensive statistics which, translated on a superficial level, look fantastic.   White does not.  Mazeroski led his league five times in putouts, nine times in assists, three times in fielding percentage and eight times in double plays—a total of 25 fielding titles.   White led his league twice in putouts, once in assists, three times in fielding percentage—a total of six fielding titles.  

 

            White’s contemporary and, to an extent, rivals were Willie Randolph of New York and Lou Whitaker of Detroit .  In one book I compared Mazeroski to Randolph , and explained why I thought Randolph would have been a better Hall of Fame selection than Mazeroski—leaving open the question of how he compares to White. 

 

            A day or two after the conversation at work a reader, in the “Hey, Bill” section, posted this also-related question:

 

 

You made a persuasive argument that we shouldn't even talk about Vizquel as a Hall of Famer until Trammell -- a clearly better player -- gets in.   My question: how do you compare Trammell and his longtime double-play mate?   Whitaker obviously has less defensive value but was a better hitter in a career of similar length.  Did he deserve more consideration from the writers too?

 

         

          A few days after that, Matthew Namee weighed in with his excellent article about overrated and underrated players, in which he concludes that

 

            a) Bobby Richardson was the most overrated player ever,

            b) Bill Mazeroski was the most overrated Hall of Famer other than Luis Aparicio, and

            c)  Luis’ double-play partner, Nellie Fox, was overrated, too.

 

            So we have a complex of questions here about a group of related second basemen—Bill Mazeroski, Frank White, Lou Whitaker, Willie Randolph, Bobby Richardson, Nellie Fox.   I thought perhaps I should run Win Shares and Loss Shares for the lot of them, and see what conclusions we might be able to support.

 

 

But First, a Word from Our Sponsor

 

            The problem with the Linear Weights approach to fielding statistics as I last understood it, and with many primitive systems of Fielding Analysis, is that there is no acknowledgement of team accomplishment.   What would you think of a system which evaluated the average hitter on the 1999 Cleveland Indians (who scored 1009 runs) as being the same as the average hitter on the 2003 Dodgers (who scored 574 runs).   You’d think that was nuts, right?

            What would you think of a system that rated the pitching staff of the 1996 Detroit Tigers, who had a 6.38 ERA, equal with the 2003 Atlanta Braves, who had a 3.13 ERA?  You’d think the system didn’t work, right?

            What would you think of a system that rated good teams—first-place teams—as being overall equal with last-place teams?

            This is, in effect, what Linear Weights does, or did a few years ago.  Since the number of putouts made per game is in essence fixed on the team level, and since each player is rated by the number of putouts that he makes or assists, the rating of the team is fixed in place.   There is some compensation for this in error rates, but that benefit is offset by the fact that Linear Weights gives more credit for assists at some positions—outfield and catcher—where assists are more numerous on bad teams than on good teams.   The result is that bad teams tend to be assessed as superior defensively to good teams. 

            Stating the same thing in a different way:  If one team gives up 1700 hits in a season while another team gives up 1300, that makes no difference whatsoever in many fielding analysis systems, because “hits given up” are not a defensive statistic.   Only putouts, assists and errors “count” from a defensive stanpoint; hits allowed have nothing to do with it.

            But that’s ridiculous; hits allowed have everything to do with it.   Preventing hits is essentially what a fielder is trying to do.   You cannot make an accurate evaluation of a fielder’s defensive play without finding some way to take that into account.

            There are related “failure to adjust” problems in many systems—the failure to adjust assists by infielders for the team’s ground ball rate, and the failure to adjust double play rates for runners on base.    Those things could make Mazeroski look better than he was.   The Pirates in Maz’s time almost always had high ground ball rates. 

 

 

And Now, Back to Our Program

 

 

            Alphabetically:  Fox, Mazeroski, Randolph, Richardson, Whitaker, White.   That puts the two Hall of Famers first, the Yankees in the middle.

 

Nellie Fox      

Career Won-Lost         296-219  .575

Offensively                   201-191  .512

Defensively                     96-  28  .774

Best season:  1957, 29-4.

 

I have Nellie as follows:

 

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

SPct

OPS

Won

-

Lost

1947

7

3

2

0

0

0

0

0

1

0

0

.000

.250

.000

.250

0

-

0

1948

3

13

0

2

0

0

0

0

1

0

1

.154

.214

.154

.368

0

-

1

1949

88

247

42

63

6

2

0

21

32

9

2

.255

.354

.296

.650

5

-

10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1950

130

457

45

113

12

7

0

30

35

17

4

.247

.304

.304

.608

9

-

18

1951

147

604

93

189

32

12

4

55

43

11

9

.313

.372

.425

.798

23

-

11

 1952

152

648

76

192

25

10

0

39

34

14

5

.296

.334

.366

.700

21

-

13

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1953

154

624

92

178

31

8

3

72

49

18

4

.285

.344

.375

.719

19

-

16

1954

155

631

111

201

24

8

2

47

51

12

16

.319

.372

.391

.763

25

-

10

1955

154

636

100

198

28

7

6

59

38

15

7

.311

.364

.406

.770

25

-

10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1956

154

649

109

192

20

10

4

52

44

14

8

.296

.347

.376

.723

20

-

16

1957

155

619

110

196

27

8

6

61

75

13

5

.317

.403

.415

.818

29

-

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1958

155

623

82

187

21

6

0

49

47

11

5

.300

.357

.353

.710

19

-

14

1959

156

624

84

191

34

6

2

70

71

13

5

.306

.380

.389

.770

25

-

8

1960

150

605

85

175

24

10

2

59

50

13

2

.289

.351

.372

.723

19

-

15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1961

159

606

67

152

11

5

2

51

59

12

2

.251

.323

.295

.618

14

-

22

1962

157

621

79

166

27

7

2

54

38

12

1

.267

.314

.343

.657

17

-

18

1963

137

539

54

140

19

0

2

42

24

17

0

.260

.299

.306

.605

13

-

18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1964

133

442

45

117

12

6

0

28

27

13

0

.265

.320

.319

.639

14

-

13

1965

21

41

3

11

2

0

0

1

0

2

0

.268

.262

.317

.579

1

-

1

 

            Fox got around 190 hits a year, with an excellent strikeout to walk ratio and an above-average on base percentage, in what was generally a pitcher’s park.  I note that Lee Sinins’ RCAA (Runs Created Above Average) evaluates Fox as a slightly below-average offensive player, but I have his offensive won-lost at 201-191, or slightly above average.  I do not know why there is this discrepancy.

            Gold Gloves were first given in 1957, after Fox had already been in the league for ten years.   He won the first Gold Glove at second base in 1957 (a two-league competition), then won Gold Gloves again in 1959 and 1960.   We have to assume that, had the award been given earlier, he would have won several more. 

            I have suggested setting the standard for a Hall of Fame player at “300 Win Shares or 100 more Win Shares than Loss Shares.”   Fox narrowly misses 300-W standard, and comes reasonably close on the other.  In my view, there are many less-qualified Hall of Famers.

 


 

Bill Mazeroski

Career Won-Lost         245-211  .538

Offensively                   135-203  .401

Defensively                   110-8      .932

Best season:  1960, 21-10

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

Slg

OPS

T WS

-

T LS

1956

81

255

30

62

8

1

3

14

18

24

0

.243

.293

.318

.611

6

-

9

1957

148

526

59

149

27

7

8

54

27

49

3

.283

.318

.407

.725

16

-

13

1958

152

567

69

156

24

6

19

68

25

71

1

.275

.308

.439

.747

21

-

13

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1959

135

493

50

119

15

6

7

59

29

54

1

.241

.283

.339

.621

11

-

19

1960

151

538

58

147

21

5

11

64

40

50

4

.273

.320

.392

.712

21

-

10

1961

152

558

71

148

21

2

13

59

26

55

2

.265

.298

.380

.678

18

-

15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1962

159

572

55

155

24

9

14

81

37

47

0

.271

.315

.418

.733

22

-

12

1963

142

534

43

131

22

3

8

52

32

46

2

.245

.286

.343

.629

19

-

13

1964

162

601

66

161

22

8

10

64

29

52

1

.268

.300

.381

.681

19

-

17

 

1965

130

494

52

134

17

1

6

54

18

34

2

.271

.294

.346

.641

16

-

13

1966

162

621

56

163

22

7

16

82

31

62

4

.262

.296

.398

.694

23

-

14

1967

163

639

62

167

25

3

9

77

30

55

1

.261

.292

.352

.644

17

-

20

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1968

143

506

36

127

18

2

3

42

38

38

3

.251

.304

.312

.616

15

-

15

1969

67

227

13

52

7

1

3

25

22

16

1

.229

.298

.308

.606

7

-

7

1970

112

367

29

84

14

0

7

39

27

40

2

.229

.283

.324

.607

10

-

12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1971

70

193

17

49

3

1

1

16

15

8

0

.254

.303

.295

.599

5

-

6

1972

34

64

3

12

4

0

0

3

3

5

0

.188

.217

.250

.467

1

-

3

 

            Even after adjusting everything that I can find to adjust for and placing everything in context, Mazeroski’s defensive record remains brilliant,  easily the best of the six players discussed here, and perhaps the best of any player in the history of baseball.   He is the Babe Ruth of fielders.   I credit him with a career defensive won-lost record of 110-8—an even better percentage than Ozzie Smith’s 123-17. 

            His defense justifies his long standing as a regular, and, in his best seasons (21-13, 21-10, 22-12, 19-13, 23-14) a reputation as a star.   However, given his very low on base percentages and moderate offensive contributions in other areas, his inclusion in the Hall of Fame is not quite justified by our analysis.

            It could be that our analysis is wrong.   It could be that more space should have been allocated, in our analysis, for defensive excellence at second base.   But this is my opinion based on what I know.


 

 

Bobby Richardson

Career Won-Lost         129-176   .422

Offensively                     90-144   .385

Defensively                     39-33     .541

Best season:  1962, 21-17

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

Slg

OPS

T WS

-

T LS

1955

11

26

2

4

0

0

0

3

2

0

1

.154

.214

.154

.368

0

-

2

1956

5

7

1

1

0

0

0

0

0

1

0

.143

.143

.143

.286

0

-

0

1957

97

305

36

78

11

1

0

19

9

26

1

.256

.274

.298

.573

7

-

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1958

73

182

18

45

6

2

0

14

8

5

1

.247

.276

.302

.578

4

-

7

1959

134

469

53

141

18

6

2

33

26

20

5

.301

.335

.377

.713

14

-

11

1960

150

460

45

116

12

3

1

26

35

19

6

.252

.303

.298

.601

9

-

18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1961

162

662

80

173

17

5

3

49

30

23

9

.261

.295

.316

.610

15

-

23

1962

161

692

99

209

38

5

8

59

37

24

11

.302

.337

.406

.743

21

-

17

1963

151

630

72

167

20

6

3

48

25

22

15

.265

.294

.330

.624

19

-

17

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1964

159

679

90

181

25

4

4

50

28

36

11

.267

.294

.333

.626

15

-

22

1965

160

664

76

164

28

2

6

47

37

39

7

.247

.287

.322

.609

14

-

24

1966

149

610

71

153

21

3

7

42

25

28

6

.251

.280

.330

.610

12

-

24

 

 

            The evaluation of Richardson by the Win Shares method appears, as noted by Matthew Namee, to be irredeemably at odds with his evaluation by contemporary sportswriters.   Not only does Richardson have the very low on-base percentages that plague others of this group (Mazeroski and White), but, despite his excellent reputation as a defensive player—he won Gold Gloves in ’61, ’62, ’63, ’64 and ’65--our analysis concludes that, as a defensive player, he had very limited range and no outstanding positives. 

            Remember, our analysis is set up to give large advantages to a player on a team that is successful.   We are criticized for this often, but we will stand our ground.  

            Richardson in ’60, ’61, ’62, ’63, ’64, plays on a team that is successful at a very high level, which puts him far ahead to start the analysis—yet his individual numbers are so poor that, at the end of the day, he still doesn’t come off very well.  We have his defensive won-lost records, beginning in 1960, at 2-5, 6-3, 4-4, 8-1, 4-4, 4-4 and 3-6.  

            In 1962 the NL Gold Glove second baseman, Mazeroski, is evaluated by our system at 11+2, meaning that we credit him with 10 Win Shares in the space allocated for 9 decisions, thus give him 2 “negative losses”.   The AL Gold Glove second baseman, Richardson , we have at 4-4.   Let me walk you through the process of reaching those evaluations.

            The defensive area of responsibility is assigned based on

            1)  Innings played in the field,

            2)  Outs made as a hitter, and

            3)  The defensive parameters of the team.

            We start by asking the question “How much of the run prevention performance of this team is attributable to fielding, and how much to pitching?"   We look at six categories to make that decision:  Home Runs, Walks, Hit Batsmen, Strikeouts, Errors and Double Plays.   If a team gives up lots of home runs, walks, hit batsmen and has lots of strikeouts, we figure that there isn’t very much that the fielders can do about that, so more of the responsibility for the team’s defensive performance goes to the pitchers.   If the team has more errors and more double plays, that’s an indication that the team’s pitching-and-defense rests, to a larger extent, on the fielders.

            Five of these six factors suggest that the ’62 Pirates—Mazeroski’s team—are more of a “fielding based” team than the ’62 Yankees, Richardson’s team.   The Pirates did have a few more strikeouts, but all of the other “pitching” factors are higher on the Yankees than the Pirates, while the “defense” factors are higher on the Pirates.  We thus assign the Pirate defenders, as a group, 77.3 Defensive Win Shares and Loss Shares, while the Yankees are assigned 70.8.  

            Mazeroski made 441 outs as a hitter and played 1,410 innings at second base; he is thus assigned a defensive responsibility of 8.74 “games” (which is, of course, 8.74 thirds of a game.)  

            Richardson made 529 outs as a hitter (!) and played 1,440 innings at second base.   We assign him a defensive responsibility of 8.56 games.  The Pirates defensive responsibility is higher as a team, but Richardson ’s individual share is larger relative to the team, so the overall defensive responsibilities of the two players are about the same—8.74 for Maz, 8.56 for Bobby.   (A small note. . .the innings given above are actually an illusion, as the Yankees played more innings than the Pirates did.   The actual split is based on innings as a percentage of the team, which actually is higher for Maz.   We’ll get to that in a minute.) 

            Then, on a separate but not entirely separate track, we assign credit for the team’s defensive success to the second baseman.   As a starting point, we assign to the second basemen 14% of the team’s Defensive Win Shares and Loss Shares:

 

Mazeroski:       77.24 * .14 =  10.82

Richardson        70.76 * .14 =    9.91

 

            Divided by two.   Actually, divided by two on an average team.   If the team’s “Defensive Winning Percentage” is .500, it’s divided by two.

            One of the problems with explaining the Win Shares system is that there is no place to start; something was always done earlier which I didn’t explain.   One of the first things we do, in assigning credit for team wins to individuals, is to figure the team’s offensive and defensive winning percentages.  

            The ’62 Yankees were 96-66; the ’62 Pirates were 93-68—not a big difference.   The league ERAs were 3.97 and 3.94—again, not a big difference.   Yankee Stadium in ’62, however, was very strongly a pitcher’s park—a fact which will help Richardson ’s BATTING evaluation, but not his fielding—whereas Forbes Field was essentially neutral.  In spite of this, the Yankees in ’62 allowed 680 runs.   The Pirates allowed 626.   Which team had better pitching and defense?

            The Pirates, obviously.    The Yankees won in ’62 because they had a vastly superior offense.   The Pirates came close because they had a better defense. The Yankee pitching and defense, park adjusted, is actually below average.   The Yankees allowed 374 runs in road games, which finished sixth in a ten-team league.    Thus, in crediting wins to individuals, we give much more credit to the Yankee hitters—but somewhat more credit to the Pittsburgh defensive players.

            The Pirates in ’62 have a “Defensive Winning Percentage” of .630; the Yankees of .468.   We multiply the player’s (previous) defensive Win Shares by this number:

 

Mazeroski        77.24  * .14 * .630 =   6.82

Richardson        70.76  * .14 * .468 =   4.64

 

            What we are saying at this point is that the ’62 Pirates are more of a pitching-and-defense team than are the ’62 Yankees, and that, in the pitching-and-defense split, more of the responsibility on the Pirates is on the fielders, therefore, if the second basemen have league-average defensive statistics, the Pirate second basemen will be presumed to be better (because the individual defensive stats compete against the team total, and the team total is better.)     Pirate second basemen are (presumptively) credited with 6.82 Win Shares, while Yankee second basemen are presumptively credited with 4.64.

            This, however, is assuming that the player played every inning at the position.  Next we have to adjust for his innings played.   Mazeroski played 1,410 innings out of a team total of 1,432 (.9844), while Richardson played 1,440 out of 1,472 (.9785).  We adjust the Win Share credits for that:

 

Mazeroski        77.24  * .14  * .630  * .9844 =  6.71

Richardson        70.76  * .14  * .468  * .9785 =  4.54

 

            Then we begin to look at the player’s individual defensive statistics.   We figure “expected assists” for the player as

 

            Team assists

            Times the league percentage of assists which are by second basemen

            Adjusted by the left-handed/right-handed bias of the pitching staff

            Times the individual’s percentage of the innings at second base

 

            The left/right adjustment for second basemen is not very large, as the left-right bias of the pitching staff doesn’t change the expected assists of second basemen by very much.   Anyway, when we do this, we find that Mazeroski has 472 expected assists, whereas Richardson has 453. 

            But Mazeroski has 509 actual assists, whereas Richardson has 452 (a career high, by the way.)   Mazeroski is thus +37, whereas Richardson is –1. 

            We adjust the Win Share credits upward by .04 for each assist above expectation—a Linear Weights type of adjustment:

 

Mazeroski        6.71 + (.04 * 37) = 8.19

Richardson        4.54 + (.04 * -1) = 4.50

 

            I could be a distant decimal off; although the spreadsheet that actually figures these things carries everything out to 18 decimals or something, for obvious reasons I’m not doing that here. 

            Anyway, we then do the same with the putouts. . .we figure the player’s expected putouts in the same way.  Mazeroski has an expectation of 354 putouts, Richardson an expectation of 396. 

            But Mazeroski has 425 actual putouts (+71), whereas Richardson has 378 (-18).   For each putout above expectation, we credit the player with an additional .02 Win Shares:

 

Mazeroski        8.19 + (.02 * 71) =      9.61

Richardson        4.50 + (.02 * -18) =     4.14

 

            Next we look at the team’s Double Play total.   I don’t use the second baseman’s individual Double Plays; I use the team total.  The two numbers are extremely closely related, and I just think that you get a better line on whether the team is good or bad at turning double plays if you stay focused on the team totals.  

            We figure each team’s expected double plays as:

            The league average of double plays per team,

            Adjusted for innings played,

            Adjusted for the number of runners on base against the team,

            Adjusted for the team assist total (which is closely connected to the ground ball tendency of the pitching staff.)

 

            The ’62 Pirates had an expectation of 160 double plays, but actually turned 177, or +17.   The ’62 Yankees had an expectation of 149, but actually turned 151, or +2.  We credit the second baseman with one Win Shares for each 20 double plays above average, and of course we have to adjust that again for the player’s innings at second base, which makes:

 

Mazeroski        9.61  +  (17/20 * .9844)  =  10.45

Richardson        4.14  +  ( 2/20 * .9785)   =   4.24

 

            Finally, we figure actual versus expected errors.   Expected errors are simply Total Chances, times the league error percentage at the position.  

            Mazeroski had 14 errors vs. 25 expected errors, making him +11.  Richardson had 15 errors vs. an expectation of 17, making him +2.   (Mazeroski’s expected errors are higher because 1) he made more plays, and 2) the NL fielding percentage at second base in 1962, for some reason, was much lower.)  Anyway, we credit the player with one extra Win Share for each 16 errors not made, making:

 

Mazeroski        10.45 + (11/16) =   11.14

Richardson          4.24 +  (2/16) =      4.37

 

            Carrying more decimals at some point, it is actually 11.09 for Mazeroski, 4.38 for Richardson .

            The player’s defensive Loss Shares are simply his Defensive Responsibility, minus his Win Shares.   For Mazeroski, this is 8.74 minus 11.09, or a negative 2.35 losses (11 + 2).   For Richardson it is 8.56 minus 4.38, or 4.18 losses (4 – 4).   Richardson , despite his Gold Glove, appears to be an essentially average defensive second baseman. 

 

            As you can see, there are many elements of this system which are not locked in place by extensive research and rigorous logic.   Many elements of the system are somewhat arbitrary.   It is likely that future researchers, twenty or thirty years from now, will understand some of the internal issues better than I understand them, and that they will reach somewhat different conclusions because of that. 

            However, based on my understanding of the data, Mazeroski’s Gold Gloves are well justified by the facts.    Nellie Fox’s Gold Gloves are well justified by the facts.   Richardson ’s are not. 

 

 

Willie Randolph

Career Won-Lost         283-164   .634

Offensively:                   213-136   .610

Defensively:                    69-27     .720

Best season:  1980, 25-4

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

Slg

OPS

T WS

-

T LS

1975

30

61

9

10

1

0

0

3

7

6

1

.164

.246

.180

.427

1

-

4

1976

125

430

59

115

15

4

1

40

58

39

37

.267

.356

.328

.684

18

-

9

1977

147

551

91

151

28

11

4

40

64

53

13

.274

.347

.387

.734

21

-

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978

134

499

87

139

18

6

3

42

82

51

36

.279

.381

.357

.738

21

-

8

1979

153

574

98

155

15

13

5

61

95

39

33

.270

.374

.368

.741

21

-

14

1980

138

513

99

151

23

7

7

46

119

45

30

.294

.427

.407

.834

25

-

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1981

93

357

59

83

14

3

2

24

57

24

14

.232

.336

.305

.641

12

-

11

1982

144

553

85

155

21

4

3

36

75

35

16

.280

.368

.349

.717

18

-

13

1983

104

420

73

117

21

1

2

38

53

32

12

.279

.361

.348

.708

14

-

9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1984

142

564

86

162

24

2

2

31

86

42

10

.287

.377

.348

.725

21

-

10

1985

143

497

75

137

21

2

5

40

85

39

16

.276

.382

.356

.738

20

-

10

1986

141

492

76

136

15

2

5

50

94

49

15

.276

.393

.346

.738

17

-

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1987

120

449

96

137

24

2

7

67

82

25

11

.305

.411

.414

.825

18

-

6

1988

110

404

43

93

20

1

2

34

55

39

8

.230

.322

.300

.621

11

-

13

1989

145

549

62

155

18

0

2

36

71

51

7

.282

.366

.326

.692

21

-

9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1990

26

96

15

26

4

0

1

9

13

9

1

.271

.364

.344

.707

3

-

2

1990

93

292

37

75

9

3

1

21

32

25

6

.257

.331

.318

.650

9

-

8

1991

124

431

60

141

14

3

0

54

75

38

4

.327

.424

.374

.798

18

-

5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1992

90

286

29

72

11

1

2

15

40

34

1

.252

.352

.318

.670

8

-

9

 

 

            Willie Randolph was vaguely comparable to Nellie Fox as an offensive player—a singles hitter with very good strikeout/walk ratios.  However, although his averages were a little lower than Fox’s, he walked more, so his on base percentages were higher, plus he was much faster than Fox.  Overall, Randolph was the best offensive player among the four we have discussed so far, and the third-best defensive player (behind Maz and Fox, the two Hall of Famers.) 

            It is my view that Willie Randolph’s playing career would justify a Hall of Fame selection—as much as Fox or a little more, and more so than Mazeroski.   But not as much as Lou:

 

 

 

Lou Whitaker

Career Won-Lost         301-164   .647

Offensively:                   241-127   .655

Defensively                     60-37      .627

Best season:  1983, 26-8

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

Slg

OPS

T WS

-

T LS

1977

11

32

5

8

1

0

0

2

4

6

2

.250

.333

.281

.615

0

-

2

1978

139

484

71

138

12

7

3

58

61

65

7

.285

.361

.357

.718

20

-

9

1979

127

423

75

121

14

8

3

42

78

66

20

.286

.395

.378

.774

18

-

6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1980

145

477

68

111

19

1

1

45

73

79

8

.233

.331

.283

.614

12

-

16

1981

109

335

48

88

14

4

5

36

40

42

5

.263

.340

.373

.714

13

-

6

1982

152

560

76

160

22

8

15

65

48

58

11

.286

.341

.434

.775

21

-

9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1983

161

643

94

206

40

6

12

72

67

70

17

.320

.380

.457

.837

26

-

8

1984

143

558

90

161

25

1

13

56

62

63

6

.289

.357

.407

.764

22

-

9

1985

152

609

102

170

29

8

21

73

80

56

6

.279

.362

.456

.819

22

-

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1986

144

584

95

157

26

6

20

73

63

70

13

.269

.338

.437

.775

19

-

14

1987

149

604

110

160

38

6

16

59

71

108

13

.265

.341

.427

.768

18

-

14

1988

115

403

54

111

18

2

12

55

66

61

2

.275

.376

.419

.795

16

-

6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1989

148

509

77

128

21

1

28

85

89

59

6

.251

.361

.462

.822

18

-

10

1990

132

472

75

112

22

2

18

60

74

71

8

.237

.338

.407

.744

16

-

11

1991

138

470

94

131

26

2

23

78

90

45

4

.279

.391

.489

.881

19

-

6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1992

130

453

77

126

26

0

19

71

81

46

6

.278

.386

.461

.847

16

-

9

1993

119

383

72

111

32

1

9

67

78

46

3

.290

.412

.449

.861

16

-

5

1994

92

322

67

97

21

2

12

43

41

47

2

.301

.377

.491

.867

9

-

7

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1995

84

249

36

73

14

0

14

44

31

41

4

.293

.372

.518

.890

8

-

5

 

            In my opinion, Lou Whitaker is a Hall of Fame player.   I think that he is the best of the six players we are discussing here, and I think that he is more qualified for the Hall of Fame, strictly as a player, than his longtime double play partner, Alan Trammell.

            Whitaker was simply a better hitter than the other players involved here.   Yes, he was behind them as a fielder (other than Richardson ), but not that far behind.   He was still pretty good.  While I try to stay out of Hall of Fame arguments and will continue to do so, Whitaker is the only player in the discussion who clearly meets the Hall of Fame standards I have suggested—300 Win Shares, and 100 Wins over Losses. 

 

Frank White

Career Won-Lost         222-244    .476

Offensively:                   137-213    .391

Defensively                     85-31      .731

Best season:  1986, 19-13

 

 

YEAR

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OBA

Slg

OPS

T WS

-

T LS

1973

51

139

20

31

6

1

0

5

8

23

3

.223

.262

.281

.542

2

-

6

1974

99

204

19

45

6

3

1

18

5

33

3

.221

.239

.294

.533

4

-

9

1975

111

304

43

76

10

2

7

36

20

39

11

.250

.297

.365

.662

10

-

8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1976

152

446

39

102

17

6

2

46

19

42

20

.229

.263

.307

.570

13

-

16

1977

152

474

59

116

21

5

5

50

25

67

23

.245

.284

.342

.626

14

-

15

1978

143

461

66

127

24

6

7

50

26

59

13

.275

.317

.399

.716

16

-

12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1979

127

467

73

124

26

4

10

48

25

54

28

.266

.300

.403

.703

11

-

16

1980

154

560

70

148

23

4

7

60

19

69

19

.264

.289

.357

.646

15

-

18

1981

94

364

35

91

17

1

9

38

19

50

4

.250

.285

.376

.661

9

-

12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1982

145

524

71

156

45

6

11

56

16

65

10

.298

.318

.469

.788

16

-

14

1983

146

549

52

143

35

6

11

77

20

51

13

.260

.283

.406

.690

16

-

17

1984

129

479

58

130

22

5

17

56

27

72

5

.271

.311

.445

.756

17

-

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1985

149

563

62

140

25

1

22

69

28

86

10

.249

.284

.414

.698

17

-

16

1986

151

566

76

154

37

3

22

84

43

88

4

.272

.322

.465

.787

19

-

13

1987

154

563

67

138

32

2

17

78

51

86

1

.245

.308

.400

.708

15

-

19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1988

150

537

48

126

25

1

8

58

21

67

7

.235

.266

.330

.595

12

-

20

1989

135

418

34

107

22

1

2

36

30

52

3

.256

.307

.328

.635

13

-

12

1990

82

241

20

52

14

1

2

21

10

32

1

.216

.253

.307

.560

5

-

10

 

            I think the world of Frank White, and I would never speak ill of him.  I enjoyed watching him for many years, and, as we are members of the same community, I have met him a number of times over the years.   He is a fine man as well as a fine player.

            Also, his Gold Gloves appear, based on my interpretation of the evidence, to be at least reasonable.   His career defensive winning percentage (.731) is the highest of any player in this group, other than the two Hall of Famers, Fox and Mazeroski.    Defensively he rates as superior to Willie Randolph or Lou Whitaker, his chief contemporary rivals in the American League, although I’m not sure how he would compare to Bobby Grich. 

            White’s defensive contribution never goes “over the top”, as Mazeroski’s does.  However, his defensive won-lost records, beginning in 1983, read 7-1, 6-1, 7-2, 6-2, 6-2, 7-1, and 6-1—consistently excellent.

            Doing a short form of the analysis above for White’s 1988 season, when he hit just .235 with a .266 on base percentage, leading to a regrettable 6-19 record as an offensive player.   As a defensive player, however:

 

            1)  The 1988 Royals have 77.08 Defensive Win Shares and Loss Shares.

            2)  White, with 443 batting outs and 1,186 innings in the field, is assigned responsibility for 7.97 of those—a little lower total than Mazeroski or Richardson because he didn’t play as many innings in the field.

            3)  The Royals team defensive winning percentage was .569, so the presumptive Win Shares of their second basemen are 77.08 * .14 * .569, or 6.14.  

            4)  White played 1,186 innings of a team total of 1,408, so his share of those is .8305, or 5.10.

            5)  White had 426 assists vs. 403 expected assists, boosting him upward by .92.

            6)  White had 293 putouts vs. 278 expected putouts, boosting him upward by .30.

            7)  The Royals turned 147 double plays vs. 155 expected double plays, so he loses 4/10ths of a point there.

            8)  White was charged with only 4 errors vs. 13 expected errors, boosting him upward by .56.

            9)   Adding everything together, I credit White with 6.59 Win Shares out of a “field” of 7.97, which leaves 1.38 Loss Shares.   7-1, rounded off. 

            This was kind of a typical year for him.   Harold Reynolds won the Gold Glove that year; I don’t know what his record was.  But White was a very good second baseman, and he didn’t have to hit a lot to justify his place in the lineup. 

 
 

COMMENTS (8 Comments, most recent shown first)

smbakeresq
Just joined, but how does Bobby Grich do under this analysis? I always thought he was a great player while I was watching him.
2:14 PM Oct 2nd
 
Brian
I know that you have some frustration with Tiger fans who put Trammell ahead of Whitaker. I think they are both Hall of Famers, but there are arguments to be made for Trammell being slightly more qualified. 1) Whitaker never had a year like Trammell's 1987. 2) Whitaker's advantage over Trammell comes in large part from 1991-1995, or the "Bo Shembechler years". The Tigers never came close to making the playoffs. 3) During those years, Whitaker was a strictly platoon 2B/DH. His percentage numbers were great, but he was not a full-time player. To me, the 1st point is most important, and I don't put a lot of weight on the other 2. Again, they both should be in the HOF, and probably be tied on any list of all-time great Tigers.
11:24 PM Jul 18th
 
RanBricker
Bill,
Doesn't the presence of a Maz or Ozzie, a historic fielder, unfairly effect the league average? Or, the other way, if you play a butcher at 2B (I can only think of Rickie Weeks off the top of my head), doesn't that make everyone else look better in comparison? Do you compensate for that? Is it reasonable to compensate for that? Also, does an 8 or 10 team league average compare to a 12, 14 or 16 team average? Is the quality of play better in an 8 team league as opposed to a 16 team league? Thanks
2:49 PM Jul 18th
 
birtelcom
I wonder if Bill or anyone else has checked to see how well Fielding Win Shares as calculated for the last few seasons correlates with the results of systems such as John Dewan's Plus/Minus system that use ball-location data that has been available the last few seasons but is not available back thorough history. If we knew that Fielding Win Shares for, say, 2006 and 2007 correlates well with the results of a system like Plus/Minus for those same seasons, we might be able to rely with greater confidence on Fielding Win Shares as an accurate reflection of historical performance, knowing that it seems to reasonably capture going back in history what we now know about fielding performance with better data. Such a correlation test comparing Fielding WS with newly available ball-location systems might also suggest tweaks to Fielding Win Shares that would make it more reliable and thus more useful for historical studies like this one.
11:20 AM Jul 18th
 
BigDaddyG
Awesome article- classic Bill James at his best. I am curious to see similar data for Bobby Grich and Alan Trammel
11:50 PM Jul 16th
 
wovenstrap

I don't know about anybody else, but there are few things I like more than when Bill takes a seemingly mundane subject and tries to get to the bottom of it. Great stuff.
6:22 PM Jul 15th
 
ksclacktc
Bill,

Love this site and I am a long, long time fan of yours. You have mentioned economic challenges related to this site. I would encourage you to do more with WIN SHARES/LOSS SHARES. The system is on the cusp of greatness as you have built upon and imbraced new concepts. As a reader I would love to be able to see the results for ALL PLAYERS and their W/L Records. Keep up the great work. You are a HOFer in my book.
8:41 AM Jul 15th
 
tangotiger
Just to specify: the fielding part of the Linear Weights system I do not support and have never supported. There are much better fielding systems out there. My basic point is that the Linear Weights framework (plus/minus to average) and Win Shares/Loss Shares are easily correlated, once you bring in a second dimension to LWTS (PA and IP). That when you present things in a single dimension, you get only half the picture (to complete the camera analogy).
8:03 AM Jul 15th
 
 
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