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Is Chemistry Important When Building a Team?

September 23, 2008

Dave Fleming: By chemistry, I suppose we're talking about chumminess. About guys getting along. A band of brothers kind of thing.

Is chemistry helpful to a team? Sure. Can you name any group activity where the goal is group success, where chemistry is a detriment? I can't. Curling?

But is it important when building a team? I don't know. I'm certain it's not the most important thing. General Managers shouldn't sit around discussing chemistry first and foremost. It shouldn’t be an issue, for instance, if a player "doesn't have a passion to play the game," so long as that player routinely hits 40 homeruns.

I'm a Red Sox fan, and those of us old enough to remember the days of "25 players, 25 cabs" probably have more than our fair share of respect for chemistry. It's a fine thing for a team to think about, and I enjoy rooting for a team that seems to genuinely like one another.

But you know what? Barry Bonds was by all accounts an SOB in the clubhouse. There were the fights with teammates, the entourage, the big chair, the reality TV show. And that was a clubhouse with no shortage of SOB's. But his teams did okay: in 22 seasons Barry's team won 90+ games ten times. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig had years when they hated each other, but the Yankees dealt with it. Hell, everyone on the Cardinals hated Ducky Medwick, but they won the 1934 World Series.

In basketball, you have situations where a teammate problem becomes untenable. Think Shaq and Kobe. But basketball is a five-man game, and it's a game that requires teamwork. Baseball is a more individualized game: knowing that the guys in the dugout are on your side isn't going to help you hit an 0-2 slider. And I can't think of a single time when a baseball team didn't win because of team chemistry.

Bottom line: chemistry is a fine thing to think about, a fine thing to muse over and write about. And I'm sure chemistry has some value: I'm sure teams with good chemistry tend to do well.

But is it important in building a team? No.

Scott Ham: This is the second hardest question in baseball behind "Who's on first?"

I wrote an article not too long ago touching a bit on this concept and I am still bewildered by it.  Chemistry is the toughest element of a team to understand because you can win with or without it.  I think we can all agree that good chemistry is a benefit to a team, or an office, or any group activity.  But it is not essential.  By that same reasoning, bad chemistry isn't helpful, but there are the rare instances where it doesn't hurt a team.

The question in my mind is, can chemistry make a good team great?  Would the 1996 Yankees have won without good chemistry?  Heck, would the 2000 Yankees, with their 87 regular season wins, have won the Series without good chemistry?  The clubhouse of that team had two years of success behind it and, despite a lesser team, went 11-5 in the playoffs.

We'll never know the answers to questions like that because chemistry is unmeasurable.  There's no magic formula that says pairing two bad apples with four Proven Veterans© will balance the psychology of a team.  You can't make up for attitude like you can balance run differential.

It would seem that ALL of baseball's general managers have some belief in chemistry or Barry Bonds wouldn't be sitting at home today.  And I think that's really the point: good chemistry may or may not make you better, but bad chemistry really has no upside.

Matthew Namee: Yes, it is, in the same way that speed is important, or right field defense, or middle relief pitching. It's one element, and while it isn't absolutely necessary in all cases, a lack of chemistry can be detrimental. I mean, there has to be some good chemistry. You can't have your players injuring each other in fistfights. You can't have fielders dogging it because they don't like the pitcher. There has to be some sense of humanity, or nobody can function. Players don't need to be best friends for the team to be successful, but they have to be at least somewhat civil to one another, or the team's record will suffer.

It's easier to see bad chemistry on an individual level. Derek Bell's "Operation Shutdown," for instance. Or the whole Manny mess earlier this year. If a player isn't motivated, it will impact his performance.

Matt DiFilippo: I'm with Scott in that this is a question for which there is no definitive answer. My feeling is that major league players are professionals, and are better able to block out things like crowds and negative team chemistry than say, a college or high school team.

If you say team chemistry is important, you've got the counterexamples of the 1972-74 A's and the 1977-78 Yankees. If you say it's not, you've got teams like the 1979 Yankees, their season ruined by Goose Gossage's fight with Cliff Johnson, or the 1971 Angels and their head cases, or the 1964 Reds, when Leo Cardenas allegedly refused to try to catch a popup in a key late-season game (Cardenas thought he was being thrown at and his teammates didn't do enough to help him).

I think chemistry means something, but it needs to be kept in perspective. The Astros have loved Brad Ausmus for years even though he doesn't offer average, power, walks or speed. Chemistry is helpful; whether it reaches importance, I can't answer that. It's like a constantly moving target: That which appears to be the result of chemistry can be nine other things of varying importance.

 
 

COMMENTS (11 Comments, most recent shown first)

hotstatrat
At the Major League level, Dave Fleming's opening article makes perfect sense. Though it could be argued that the dynamics of even the most fractious teams may have some how contributed to their success. For example, some players may try to "show" up other players by out-playing them in whatever way they can. Dynamics is a form of team chemistry.

At the amateur level, however, my experience tells me chemistry plays an enormous role. If you can get your team-mates or your players having the most fun possible, they will be the most relaxed and able to perform their best. I have experienced this consistently on softball teams that I have played on and with my son's baseball and hockey teams that I have coached.
1:43 PM Oct 22nd
 
bheikoop
While I have discredited Chemistry in all sports, I have recently come around on this topic.

Albert Bandura's theory of Self-Efficacy (basically) deals with the beliefs in one's ability. There are various influences on how one perceives his/her abilities, one such deals with the situation an individual is placed in. For example, if a student knows they are a weak speller and are given a difficult word to spell, they more then likely will give up on it before trying.

Can the same be said for baseball teams and the players on these specific teams? Was Jason Bay the best player he could be on Pittsburgh where no matter how 'great' he played, the team wasn't going to succeed? Is a hitter with a .250 batting average accepting of failures against known great starting pitchers?

This can then trickle down to a team's chemistry, which I have always felt is built first and foremost around talent. But maybe it is built around perceived talent?
11:13 PM Oct 22nd
 
MattDiFilippo
I'd still have to go with the loss of the Goose ruining their season. 1. The Yankees were 58-48 when Munson died, and ended up 89-71. So they actually played better AFTER Munson's death. 2. When Gossage was available that year, the Yankees were 48-35. When he wasn't, they were 41-36. 3. The Yankees won in 1980 and 1981, when Gossage was still on the roster and Munson wasn't.
1:36 AM Oct 14th
 
benhurwitz
Matt D: Yanks 1979 season ruined by death of Thurman Munson, not Gossage-Johnson fight.
2:31 PM Oct 8th
 
bjames
I think the way to think about “team chemistry” is to extend the analogy to actual chemistry. In actual chemistry you have some reasonably limited number of elements as building blocks. ..gold, silver, carbon, oxygen, ruthenium, neon, krypton, etc. Each of these has a number of characteristics: weight, melting point, boiling point, electronic configuration, crystal structure, etc. These relatively few elements can form compounds in a bewildering and limitless array of combinations, forming biochemistry, pharmaceutical chemistry, metallurgy, etc., so that it is far beyond the capacity of any person to master the subject, even with a lifetime of study.
In team chemistry, you have a relatively small number of elements—a hundred or so: self-confidence, anger, selfishness, work ethic, social skills, fear, bitterness, dislike, affection, loyalty, trust, habits, dedication, leadership, respect, resentment, intelligence, goal orientation, etc. On a 25-man roster....30, 35 man functional roster, not including coaches and scouts. . . .every person has each of these things in various degrees. As in “actual chemistry” these elements form compounds which are of infinite variety, so that it becomes far beyond the capacity of any person to understand everything that is happening.
As in actual chemistry there are many of these combinations that are of great benefit to the team, veterans providing leadership for younger players, etc. And, as in “actual chemistry”, some of these combinations are toxic. It is not that there are one or two types of poisons; there are millions of types of poisons that can be formed by combinations of these elements.
If you go into an actual chemistry lab and start mixing elements carelessly and randomly, I can guarantee you two things. One is that you will not discover a miracle drug that will cure cancer. The other is that, within a week or two, you will accidentally form a poisonous gas cloud that will kill you.
The problem of “chemistry” in a locker room is not that occasionally sparks may fly, and, with all due respect to whoever it was that suggested this, it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with “chumminess”, which is sort of analogous to the study of sugars. It has to do, among many other things, with poisonous gas clouds. Sometimes you have poisonous gas clouds, and you either vent the locker room or you die.
On the issue of whether one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. ..well, yes, of course it is. Chlorine alloyed with sodium is table salt; chlorine by itself is a deadly, deadly gas. Hydrogen and oxygen are the elements of water, and they are elements in hydrochloric acid. It just depends on the compounds that they form.
And you have to understand. . ..people are not constants. One year, several years ago, we had a guy in our clubhouse who was confident, mature, poised, and providing valuable veteran leadership. The next year he was divorced, sullen, drinking heavily, had zero self-confidence, and was just basically dragging people down.

11:29 PM Oct 7th
 
evanecurb


Thanks to JeffreyWalters for the definitions. That provides a framework, and JesseeSeg's comments about on the field chemistry add additional insight to the discussion. Tinker and Evers didn't speak to each other but had great on the field chemistry by all accounts. For the purposes of this discussion does their team go into the 'good chemistry' or 'bad chemistry' bucket? The way you answer this question determines, to a great extent, your answer to the original question. Another dimension that makes the question difficult to evaluate is the fact that our information regarding the interactions among team members is second hand and imperfect. Our opinions regarding which teams have good clubhouse chemistry are often incorrect or out of proportion to the reality of the matter.

For my part, I believe bad team chemistry has hurt many teams over the years - the post-Stargell Pirates and other teams with drug problems come to mind (chemistry in both the scientific and social meaning of the word) - but in the end this is just my opinion. Can we come up with an objective method of testing this? We could take a sample of teams and measure the number of articles written in which they were characterized as "divided' or "having problems in the clubhouse" or something like that, and we could also measure references to "cohesion and chemistry" and other positive attributes. We then would add up all the positive and negative references for each team in the study, classify them accordingly, and look at their won-lost records vs. projected won-lost records to see if there is some sort of pattern that emerges. And at the end of the study, what would you have? I am not sure, even if it could be done. I wouldn't know how to do it but I bet someone else could figure it out.
6:40 PM Sep 24th
 
JesseSeg
I'm not sure chemistry is entirely defined as "chumminess". It goes further than that. Chemistry also has to do with style of play. If the first hitter is a basestealer, does the second hitter take enough pitches? Does the second baseman toss the ball to the shortstop where he likes it when turning a double play. Does the centerfielder always hit the cutoff, or never hit the cutoff, or hit the cutoff just the right amount of times where the other players on the team team get that endorphine release that says "he knows just when to hit the cutoff"?

Chemisty is a "Three Bears" kinda thing. One guy is too hot, another is too cold and a third is just right. When players fit together they establish a rhythm, which is important. Kobe and Shaq hated each other, but they had great chemistry on the court.
3:55 PM Sep 24th
 
JeffreyWalters
Websters New World Pocket Dictionary (4th ed) has the following

Chemistry is associated as "repport"
Rapport is associated as "harmony"
Harmony is associated as "pleasing agreement of parts" (Ill define that as efficiency)

At the end of the day, if the parts arnt getting along your team is less efficient than what it would have been with good team chemistry. Good chemistry can make a lesser player better as part of a team. Off the field intangibles cannot be calculated - and never will be in statistical reviews of player and team performance.
2:28 PM Sep 24th
 
Richie
I'm qulified, I'm qualified! OK, I'm not.

I would say that trash is trash, and not treasure anywhere else. Just bad attitude is like, say, Jeter's defense. Doesn't invalidate the entire package, instead factors in to it's overall value. And just like a flyball staff would make Jeter's defense more tolerable, good clubhouse leadership already in place would make Bonds' presence more tolerable.

I would conjecture that chemistry cascades over time. So again, if you're really trying to win this year and heck with the next, adding Barry + his Barcalounger becomes more logical. While if you're young and building, thanks but no thanks. Which it seems to me is how teams do approach it.
10:53 AM Sep 24th
 
tangotiger
Certainly chemistry is important. But, is anyone of us actually qualified to figure out the behavioural impact of one person upon another before introducing that player into the mix?

One team's trash is another team's treasure.


9:10 AM Sep 24th
 
evanecurb
The term needs to be defined before the question can be studied. The concept becomes important or not important based on the definition that is used. I think the Yankees of the Bronx Zoo days had very good team chemistry but Reggie, Billy, and Steinbrenner were jerks. I think the 72-74 A's all hated Finley. I don't define either of these as Bad Chemistry.
10:54 PM Sep 23rd
 
 
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