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Brooks Robinson Tournament--the End of the Third Round

September 29, 2010

 

September 30, 2010

 

Baltimore Regional

Brooks Robinson (1) against

Toby Harrah (3)

Regional Final

 

Cleveland Regional

Graig Nettles (1) against

Ron Santo (2)

Regional Final

 

St. Louis Regional

Scott Rolen (5) has advanced

 

 

Chipper Jones (2) against

Todd Zeile (3)

Today

 

Los Angeles Regional

Buddy Bell (1) has advanced

 

 

Tim Wallach (2) against

Ron Cey (3)

Today

 

 

 

 

Chipper 88, Zeile, No

 

            Did I say the blowouts were over for the tournament?  Sorry.   Chipper Jones won six categories and tied the other two, perhaps the first clean sweep of the tournament, taking Todd Zeile’s lunch money, his cell phone and two of his girlfriends in one of the most one-sided exhibitions of the event.

 

 

Chipper

Zeile

Power

15

11

Speed

9

1

Hitting For Average

17

9

Plate Discipline

11

10

Career Length

11

11

Defense

13

13

Awards

5

0

Team Success

7

3

Total

88

58

 

 

            Speculation turns now to whether Jones’ domination predicts success in the Elite Eight.   Jones has won three games decisively—101 to 74 over Don Hoak, 94 to 72 over Harry Steinfeldt, and 88 to 58 over Zeile, while Brooks Robinson squeaked by Jimmy Collins and Graig Nettles needed overtime to get by Bob Elliott.

            “I think he’s playing at a level that your ordinary bloke, your ordinary Ivy Olson, Albino Marquez type player is never going to be a reachin’ for unless he is playing in Colorado and the other fellow is gaspin’ for air at the tip-off” said Casey Stengel in an interview from above.  “He looks good to me, but you know your defense can come into play in a game if your offense is not playing, and I don’t think Mr. Jones is any Joe Stripp or Cletis Boyers.”   But Joe McCarthy was less convinced.   “It’s a new game every game,” said McCarthy.   “And Brooks Robinson and Graig Nettles are not Todd Zeile and Don Hoak.”   Jones will face Scott Rolen in the Regional Final.

            The two players eliminated today, Zeile and Wallach, have nearly identical triple crown statistics--.265 with 253 homers, 1,110 RBI for Zeile, .257 with 260 homers, 1,125 RBI for Wallach.   On Baseball-Reference.com, based on one of my old formulas, Zeile is listed as the most-similar hitter to Wallach, and Wallach is for Zeile.  Because Zeile walked a little, he was actually a better hitter than Wallach—but Wallach was a far better fielder, and thus a significantly better player all around.  Actually Sal Bando, eliminated yesterday, also has very similar triple-crown numbers, although Bando was a better player than either Zeile or Wallach. Zeile had only one season (1991, 21-12) equivalent in value to a 20-win contribution, although he was close to that level numerous times.

 

Todd Zeile—Career Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1989

StL

23

1

8

.256

.354

.326

.680

2

2

1

0

3

2

.000

3

1990

StL

24

15

57

.244

.398

.333

.731

10

12

5

2

15

14

.520

16

1991

StL

25

11

81

.280

.412

.353

.765

16

9

5

3

21

12

.629

25

1992

StL

26

7

48

.257

.364

.352

.717

10

9

4

2

15

11

.567

16

1993

StL

27

17

103

.277

.433

.352

.785

15

9

3

5

18

15

.553

20

1994

StL

28

19

75

.267

.470

.348

.818

10

8

3

2

13

10

.552

14

1995

StL

29

5

22

.291

.457

.378

.835

4

2

0

1

4

3

.603

5

1995

Cubs

29

9

30

.227

.371

.271

.642

3

10

1

2

5

12

.269

1

1996

Phil

30

20

80

.268

.436

.353

.789

12

10

2

4

14

13

.517

15

1996

Bal

30

5

19

.239

.436

.326

.762

2

3

1

1

3

3

.477

3

1997

LA

31

31

90

.268

.459

.365

.824

17

9

3

3

19

12

.620

23

1998

LA

32

7

27

.253

.437

.300

.737

3

4

0

2

3

6

.350

2

1998

Fla

32

6

39

.291

.427

.374

.801

6

3

1

2

7

5

.588

8

1998

Tex

32

6

28

.261

.450

.358

.808

4

4

1

1

6

5

.548

6

1999

Tex

33

24

98

.293

.488

.354

.842

13

12

4

2

18

14

.557

20

2000

NYM

34

22

79

.268

.467

.356

.823

14

10

3

3

17

13

.568

19

2001

NYM

35

10

62

.266

.373

.359

.732

12

11

4

2

16

13

.546

17

2002

Col

36

18

87

.273

.425

.353

.778

9

14

2

3

11

17

.397

8

2003

NYA

37

6

23

.210

.349

.294

.644

3

6

2

1

4

7

.406

3

2003

Mon

37

5

19

.257

.442

.331

.773

2

3

1

0

3

3

.540

4

2004

NYM

38

9

35

.233

.356

.319

.675

5

10

0

4

5

15

.242

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

253

1110

.265

.423

.346

.769

173

158

46

46

219

205

.517

226

 

 

 

 

Cey 83, Wallach 76

 

            Ron Cey’s advantage in plate discipline was enough to lift him over Tim Wallach in a battle of two players who were otherwise evenly matched.

 

 

 

Cey

Wallach

Power

15

13

Speed

4

8

Hitting For Average

16

12

Plate Discipline

15

7

Career Length

11

12

Defense

13

16

Awards

3

3

Team Success

6

5

Total

83

76

 

 

            I remember in the Baseball Abstract one year, I think 1988, I pointed out the profound similarities between Brooks Robinson and Tim Wallach, who had hit .298 with 26 homers, 123 RBI in 1988.   I got a message about that from Roy Firestone, which was “My Dad says to tell you that you’re crazy.”   Baltimore fan. . .

            In both matchups today, the “marginal winning percentage” of the winning player was well over 1.000, as, in both cases, the winning player had fewer loss shares than the loser.

            Wallach was a very respected player who was fourth in the MVP voting in 1987, tenth in 1990, and won three Gold Gloves.   His career was outstanding, but clearly short of Hall of Fame standards. 

 

Tim Wallach—Career Won and Lost Contributions

YEAR

Team

Age

HR

RBI

AVG

SLG

OBA

OPS

BW

BL

FW

FL

Won

Lost

WPct

Value

1980

Mon

22

1

2

.182

.455

.250

.705

0

0

0

0

0

0

.000

0

1981

Mon

23

4

13

.236

.344

.299

.643

4

5

2

1

6

7

.478

6

1982

Mon

24

28

97

.268

.471

.313

.784

14

12

6

2

20

14

.591

23

1983

Mon

25

19

70

.269

.434

.335

.769

14

10

5

3

19

13

.604

23

1984

Mon

26

18

72

.246

.395

.311

.706

13

12

7

1

21

14

.603

24

1985

Mon

27

22

81

.260

.450

.310

.759

14

11

8

0

22

12

.645

26

1986

Mon

28

18

71

.233

.396

.308

.704

9

13

5

1

14

13

.517

15

1987

Mon

29

26

123

.298

.514

.343

.858

16

9

6

1

22

10

.680

27

1988

Mon

30

12

69

.257

.389

.302

.690

10

15

7

1

17

16

.512

18

1989

Mon

31

13

77

.277

.419

.341

.760

13

11

5

3

18

14

.563

20

1990

Mon

32

21

98

.296

.471

.339

.810

17

9

6

2

23

10

.693

30

1991

Mon

33

13

73

.225

.334

.292

.626

10

16

4

4

14

19

.419

11

1992

Mon

34

9

59

.223

.331

.296

.627

8

16

6

1

14

18

.444

12

1993

LA

35

12

62

.222

.342

.271

.612

6

16

4

2

10

18

.346

5

1994

LA

36

23

78

.280

.502

.356

.859

13

5

2

3

15

8

.647

18

1995

LA

37

9

38

.266

.428

.326

.754

7

7

3

1

10

8

.545

11

1996

Cal

38

8

20

.237

.400

.306

.706

3

5

1

1

4

6

.412

3

1996

LA

38

4

22

.228

.333

.286

.619

2

5

1

1

3

6

.316

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

260

1125

.257

.416

.316

.732

173

177

79

30

252

207

.549

274

 

 

            These charts compares the career batting stats of the players in the next round of matchups:

 

 

Name

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

Brooks Robinson

2896

10654

1232

2848

482

68

268

1357

Toby Harrah

2155

7402

1115

1954

307

40

195

918

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OUTS

OBA

SPct

OPS

Brooks Robinson

860

990

28

.267

8340

.322

.401

.723

Toby Harrah

1153

868

238

.264

5845

.365

.395

.760

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

Graig Nettles

2700

8986

1193

2225

328

28

390

1314

Ron Santo

2243

8143

1138

2254

365

67

342

1331

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OUTS

OBA

SPct

OPS

Graig Nettles

1088

1209

32

.248

7096

.329

.421

.750

Ron Santo

1108

1343

35

.277

6293

.362

.464

.826

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

Chipper Jones

2166

7825

1458

2406

472

37

426

1445

Scott Rolen

1748

6381

1088

1810

446

36

283

1129

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OUTS

OBA

SPct

OPS

Chipper Jones

1343

1231

142

.307

5769

.406

.541

.947

Scott Rolen

809

1230

114

.284

4826

.370

.498

.868

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

Buddy Bell

2405

8995

1151

2514

425

56

201

1106

Ron Cey

2073

7162

977

1868

328

21

316

1139

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name

BB

SO

SB

Avg

OUTS

OBA

SPct

OPS

Buddy Bell

836

776

55

.279

6955

.341

.406

.747

Ron Cey

1012

1235

24

.261

5616

.354

.445

.799

 

 

            In the Final Four the winner of the Baltimore regional (Brooks Robinson or Toby Harrah) will play the winner of the Cleveland regional (Santo or Nettles), and the winner of the St. Louis regional (Jones or Rolen) will play the winner of the Los Angeles region (Bell or Cey.)

 
 

COMMENTS (7 Comments, most recent shown first)

jdw
bgorden: see the first post in the tourney. It's about every good/great 3B in history. It's largely around a "type" of 3B, though with a few curves thrown in. Most of the "Top 10" was left out.
5:52 PM Sep 30th
 
bgorden
Where is Mike Schmidt? Or George Brett?
3:29 PM Sep 30th
 
jdw
Wallach comes out better than I thought, which looks to be because the defense is really quite strong: .725 FW%. That defense from 1984-88 is something else.

Brooks over Toby
Santo over Nettles
Chipper over Rolen
Cey over Bell

Santo over Brooks
Chipper over Cey

Chipper over Santo

I don't think there's enough potential swing in defense to make up Chipper's 142-125 advantage in OPS+, especially when he has the PA advantage.

The bottom of the bracket isn't interesting in who wins as those look to be locks. The interest there is just how well Rolen, Cey and Bell rate. Are they 300/+100 guys, and do any get to 350. If I recall the math from last year, Cey is right in that 350/+100 range.

The top brackett is more interesting in terms of matchups as we've got contrasts: Career Lengths vs Better Hitters, a massive defense gap in one match while in the other a likely contrast between a very good defensive player and a great one. It's very interesting to see how much the winners are "pushed".
10:56 AM Sep 30th
 
CharlesSaeger
Harrah is more evenly matched than I thought with B. Robby, having very similar batting averages and extra base hit rates (per 600 AB, Robinson is 27-4-15, Harrah is 25-3-16). He walked much more and was faster, though Robinson moves up slightly due to offensive context. Robinson makes up for all this with defense, career length and metal.

Santo and Nettles have similar career lengths, and were probably on par as fielders, mabye slight nod to Nettles. But Santo was so much better as a hitter that this is easy.

Larry Jones is right now ahead of Scott Rolen, though if Rolen plays well for a few more years, that could change. Rolen is so much better a fielder that he makes up for quite a bit of hitting.

The Penguin's hitting will move him over Bell's fielding and longer career, since the gaps for those aren't all that big.
9:46 AM Sep 30th
 
PeteDecour
Bell and Jones in their next round matchup then Jones over Bell, although I continue to assert Jones has no business being in this tournament, being more of a Brett or Schmidt than a Brooks.
Brooks and Santo win the other side, then Brooks over Santo, and then, because of the wrong choice to put Chipper in, Brooks loses his own tournament to Chipper, who should not be here, by dint of BA, etc.
8:46 AM Sep 30th
 
MarisFan61
Wow! GREAT SCOOPS, getting those interviews with Stengel and Joe McCarthy!!!!!
3:55 AM Sep 30th
 
izzy24
A lot of this really is the luck of the draw,huh? Sal Bando's out and Buddy Bell gets to hang around for a little while longer. Scott Rolen needs to get a huge defensive edge against Larry to have any kind of shot. I'm sticking with Ron Santo to win it all, even though Chipper's been dominating thus far.
2:48 AM Sep 30th
 
 
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