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Baseball’s Best Player - Mirror View

September 19, 2007

            This article is a companion piece to the article, “Baseball’s Best Player.”  Suppose that we reversed the assumptions of that article, and rated players by the same method, but walking backward in time, rather than forward.   What we would then be asking is not “Who had established himself as the best player in baseball in 1930?” but rather, “Looking forward from 1930, who would be the best player in baseball?”

 

            I figured the same thing as before except backward.   Each players “future value” for 1930 was .40 times his Win Shares for 1931, plus .30 times his Win Shares for 1932, plus .20 times his Win Shares for 1933, plus .10 times his Win Shares for 1934.  

 

            In a sense, this is closer to what the fanatic fan in interested in—who will be great?   The problem, of course, is that it is unknowable for the present.   We will not know who ranks as the best right now until we no longer care as much.    But that’s part of what makes this issue interesting—that, by walking backward, we can ask “what are the characteristics of those who will be the best in the game, looking forward?”

 

            Of course, this is largely redundant of the previous list.   Before, we rated the four-season group 1931-1934 by weighting 1934 at .40 and 1931 at .10; now we are weighting 1931 at .40 and 1934 at .10.   This gives essentially the same list most of the time, but occasionally it doesn’t--and, of course, it changes the time frame. . .looking backward, Babe Ruth isn’t established as the best player in baseball until 1919, but looking forward, his era starts in 1916.  These are the players who rate as the best in baseball, looking forward, since 1900:

 

            Cy Young                                 1900

            Honus Wagner                         1901 to 1907

            Ty Cobb                           ​;       1908-1909, 1914-1915

            Walter Johnson                         1910-1912

            Tris Speaker                             1913

            Babe Ruth                                1916-1927

            Lou Gehrig                               1928-1930, 1932-33

            Jimmie Foxx                             1931

            Mel Ott                                  &n​bsp; 1934-35

            Joe DiMaggio                           1936-37

            Ted Williams                            1938-1940, 1945-46

            Stan Musial                              1941-42, 1947-1951

            Hal Newhouser                        1943-44

            Duke Snider                             1952

            Mickey Mantle                         1953-57

            Henry Aaron                           ​ 1958

            Willie Mays                              1959-1964

            Frank Robinson                        1965

            Carl Yastrzemski                      1966

            Frank Howard                          1967

            Pete Rose                                 1968

            Bobby Murcer                          1969

            Joe Morgan                         &nbs​p;    1970-74

            Mike Schmidt                         &nbs​p; 1975, 1977-81, 1983

            Dave Parker                           ​;  1976

            Cal Ripken                            &nbs​p;  1982

            Tim Raines                            &nb​sp;  1983

            Wade Boggs                            1984-85

            Will Clark                           ​;      1986-88

            Barry Bonds                             1989-94, 1999-2000

            Jeff Bagwell                              1995

            Craig Biggio                             1996

            Sammy Sosa                         &nb​sp;  1997

            Jason Giambi                            1998

 

  2000 (Barry Bonds) is the last year we can figure here, since we now have data through 2003.   Barry Bonds will probably be replaced by A-Rod or Albert Pujols, or perhaps by someone who is not even on the radar screen yet.

 

Eight men make this list that didn’t make the other one:

 

Tris Speaker

Jimmie Foxx

Frank Robinson

Frank Howard

Pete Rose

Cal Ripken

Craig Biggio

Sammy Sosa

 

While Rogers Hornsby, Charlie Keller, Ron Santo and Rickey Henderson lose their turns.  

 

The question occurs:  is one list more legitimate than the other?   It is an interesting philosophical question.   Time moves in only one direction, which is forward, and thus our view of time looks in only one direction, which is backward.   In retrospect, however, we can look backward or forward with equal ease from a point in the past; 1932 is as close to 1935 as it is to 1929.   By one method, Jimmie Foxx was never the best player in baseball—but by the other method, he was.  So was he or wasn’t he?

 

It seems to me that he was—or, more accurately, that it is difficult to argue logically that he wasn’t.   Looked at in one way, Lou Gehrig was the best player of the years 1932-1935; looked at in another way, it was Foxx.   One is no more accurate than the other. 

 

The other question is, “What are the characteristics of those who will be the best players in baseball?”   After the 1938 season, looking forward, the best player in baseball would be the 19-year-old Ted Williams, who had yet to play a game in the major leagues.   This is the only time that has happened—but there may be a second, if Pujols is able to get past Bonds for the years 2001-2004.  This is an age analysis of the players who were to be the best in baseball, 1900-1999, looking forward:

 

         Age    Number

19

1

20

2

21

7

22

7

23

7

24

6

25

9

26

9

27

13

28

10

29

9

30

7

31

4

32

4

33

4

34

1

     Total

100

 

            Most often, then, the man who will be the majors’ best player is a mature player, 25 years old or older.   Barry Bonds was 34 years old in 1999, but was still the best player over the years 2000-2003, making him the oldest man to hold that position, and he will likely hold it as well for the years 2001.    Ted Williams was the 19-year-old, and Williams and Musial were the 20-year-olds.  

 

            Looking backward from the end of 1956, Mickey Mantle had been the best player in baseball; looking forward, Mickey Mantle would continue to be the game’s best player.   Looking backward from the 1980 World Series, Mike Schmidt had been the best player in baseball; looking forward, he would still be the best.  I think there were 32 years in the twentieth century for which that was true. .. basically, there is a one in three chance that the player who has been the best will also be the best over the next few years.   Very often as well, the player who has been second-best will become the best.  Cobb, Gehrig, Musial, Mays, Schmidt and others were second-best before they were the best.  

 

            That’s the exception; the rule is that the great players step forward from the ranks of the very good players, and most people establish themselves as one before they become the other.  

 
 

COMMENTS (2 Comments, most recent shown first)

lar
As I said on the complementary article, I thoroughly enjoyed these articles and your analysis.

I took it upon myself to run the numbers using 2004-2007 values (I don't have easy access the 2008 WS numbers). Here are the "mirror" leaders for these years:

2001: Bonds, A-Rod, Pujols
2002: Bonds, Pujols, A-Rod
2003: Pujols, Bonds, A-Rod
2004: Pujols, A-Rod, Abreu

I think it's important to note that, using these numbers, it's clear that A-Rod had the great misfortune of playing his early years opposite Barry Bonds and his later years opposite Albert Pujols, two of the greatest talents since Mantle & Mays. Does the fact that Hank Aaron never controlled the crown before he was 35 keep him out of the conversation of greatest player of his generation/all-time? Of course not, and I don't think A-Rod constantly finishing just behind Bonds and Pujols should mean anything different.
3:54 PM Oct 26th
 
duffy_duff
Bill, why not use the same scheme that you used for park factors, IIRC. so, for the question of who was really baseball's best player in 1975, use the 73-77 seasons, with the 75 season getting the greatest weight. say 1975=40%, 1974 and 1976= 20% each, and 1973 and 1977 at 10% each.
6:15 PM Feb 21st
 
 
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