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Manny or Barry?

July 29, 2008


The trade deadline is fast approaching with the usual rumor mill flooding the pages.  While the trend over the last few seasons seems to be less blockbuster deals, a couple of scenarios have entered this year’s sweepstakes to make this July stand out a bit. 

1 – Why give up talent when you can sign Barry Bonds? 

2 – Will a World Series favorite such as the Red Sox trade an offensive force like Manny Ramirez?

Both of these subjects could inhabit an article unto themselves, but the contrast between these two players is interesting to look at.  

I frequent a group on the Intraweb that is formed around the Yankees but the members’ interest in baseball goes well beyond simple rooting.  It’s a community of knowledge-driven fans who appreciate not only the deep statistical side of the game, but put a lot of emphasis on talent development and prediction.   Naturally, being a Yankee group, this usually centers on the Yankees and their moves, but the discussions can often be applied to many teams, as their subject-manner is universal. 

Bonds has been a topic of much discussion lately, with the latest focusing on the possibility of Manny becoming available.  To be clear, nobody in his or her right mind believes Manny Ramirez stands any chance of being traded to the Yankees.  The question is, who is the bigger risk at this point in the time? 

On one hand, you have Bonds, who can be had for a prorated league minimum and costs zero prospects.  On the other, you have Manny, who makes $20 million this year, is going to cost you a boatload of prospects, and will probably want you to pick up his option for next year.

It’s not that simple.  Never is.  

Both men come with baggage with Bonds carrying the heaviest load.  Here we have the career and seasonal home run record holder without a job.  Yes, there are perjury charges hanging over his head but they won’t be dealt with until the off-season at the very least.  Yes, there is rampant speculation that he used steroids at some points during his career.  Yes, he doesn’t have the best reputation in the clubhouse.  Or out of the clubhouse.  Or, really, in any house that he has set foot in.

The baffling part about Bonds was how much the fans of San Francisco loved him up until the very end.  Call it blind love; the kind a father looks upon their hatchet-holding son with a fallen cherry tree in the yard, discarding rational thought for hope and faith.  The San Francisco fans and the Giants themselves created a safe haven for Bonds as the allegations swirled and the investigations probed.  Everyone was willing to look past the troubles, take him at his word, and try to move forward. 

Then a funny thing happened: Bonds broke the career home run record.  Suddenly, the Giants had no more use for him.  One of the greatest hitters to ever play the game found himself a free agent with no suitors.  Before he broke the record, any number of teams would have taken on Bonds for the opportunity to cash in on his achievements, regardless of how much public scorn they may have received.  He would have helped them on the diamond, too.

With the breaking of the home run record, the game’s patience for the Barry Bonds Road Show finally wore off.  Many of us hoped he wouldn’t break it, not with all the controversy that surrounded him.  Yet, when it came time, few people rejoiced and countless numbers booed, but many of us watched.  Bonds became the living embodiment of the roadside accident: nobody wants it to happen but everyone wants a look. 

Barry Bonds the Story began to eclipse the value of Barry Bonds the Player.  The tremendous offense Bonds was able to produce on the field became meaningless in the face of his legal issues or the anger from fans that felt Bonds cheated his way into the record books. The record pursuit made him tolerable, the residual cash healing the Giants wounds.  Now that all the records had been broken and the story ended, the value of Bonds the Player seemed to be worth a lot less.

Bill James has argued on this very site that the value of Bonds the Player at this moment may be overestimated.  I’m not about to argue with him.  Bonds hasn’t seen live pitching in ten months and all of his skills outside of actually hitting are in major decline.  According to Bill, the hitting should soon follow. 

But where is the risk?  Bonds doesn’t cost any players.  He’s willing to play at the league minimum and stated that he would donate said dollars to charity.  If your team can handle the media circus, the entourage, and the general surliness, it’s a low cost risk.

By all accounts, those factors simply aren’t worth the risk anymore. 

Manny Ramirez is the other story.  He doesn’t carry the steroid baggage of Bonds, but he does have the stigma of a clubhouse headache.   In Manny’s eight years in Boston, he’s requested a trade or fanned the trade talks himself at least four or five times.  This season, he has pressured management to make a decision regarding his option year next year while simultaneously showing a lack of discipline on the field. 

Manny has actually created a rather dangerous situation for the Red Sox.  While the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are currently atop the American League East, Conventional Wisdom holds that the Red Sox will soon eclipse them en route to another World Series appearance.  In this case, I agree with the Conventional Wisdom,  but my participation relies on the idea that Manny is a fully-functioning member of the Red Sox lineup.  He is an important piece to the Red Sox offense, especially with David Ortiz having an injury-riddled season. 

Manny is aware of his importance to the Red Sox’ success and I think the Red Sox front office is aware, too.  The Man has a career .999 OPS and has done nothing but scare opposing pitchers for the entirety of his career.  Especially the Yankees (That’s not me guesstimating.  Look it up).

Manny probably feels that he can force the Red Sox hand by holding his performance over their heads.  In two high profile games against the Yankees, he was Manny Not Being Manny, staring at three straight strikes by Mariano Rivera in one, and flat out asking not to play in another.  We don’t know if Manny was truly dogging it to make a point, but these two instances came on the heels of Manny criticizing the front office and demanding that they communicate with him regarding his option status.  

In some ways, this is almost more dangerous than Bonds.  Sure, Bonds is old and he doesn’t exactly book it down the line on a ground ball.  But one thing that hasn’t come into question regarding Bonds is his desire to play and to win.  Manny, on the other hand, may be using his performance or lack thereof as a negotiating tactic, at a time when his fellow teammates need him the most. 

It leaves the Red Sox in a thankless position.  If they trade Manny, especially now, they’re never going to receive equal value for him.  They might gain a hefty haul of prospects, but that doesn’t help them win a World Series, which is a very attainable goal this season.  Conversely, if they don’t trade Manny, if they don’t pickup or at least discuss his option year, they run the risk of him sabotaging the rest of his season and possibly missing the playoffs.  These are extreme instances, but they are all quite possible. 

Of course, the Red Sox could always trade Ramirez and pickup Bonds.  Now wouldn’t that be interesting…

 

Scott Ham can be reached at scotth23@hotmail.com

 
 

COMMENTS (8 Comments, most recent shown first)

800redsox9
Gammons also reported on ESPN yesterday that Francona lost 15 lbs during the last 10 days of the Manny "affair".
7:00 PM Aug 1st
 
Richie
Yeah, but I figured it was just more Manny-posturing by the press a la the past 4-5 years. So I was wrong.
12:46 AM Aug 1st
 
ScottHam
800- for Gammons to rip on a Red Sox player like that... Well, you don't see it very often.

Richie- it was a coinflip. Theo wasn't going to just dump him. He got a great piece in return and deserves kudos for the move.
9:46 PM Jul 31st
 
800redsox9
I'm an ESPN Insider - did you all see the Gammons article about Manny? A brief excerpt:

Everyone in the clubhouse knows the names. Joba Chamberlain (twice), Felix Hernandez (twice), Edinson
Volquez, Justin Verlander -- pitchers that Manny Ramirez didn't feel quite right to face, be it a knee, a
hamstring, his contract or the pitcher's velocity, and those he left for someone else in the Red Sox "family"
to face.

Everyone knows what this latest soap opera is about. It's about Manny being only about Manny -- not the
team that will have paid him $168 million when this season's over, not "teammates" he leaves to answer for
him, not winning or any competitive motivation.

No. Manny being Manny means Manny wanting money. He doesn't want to wait for the Red Sox to exercise
the right he gave them for the first $168M, the right to decide at the end of the season whether to pick up
his option for 2009 at $20M. The Red Sox fulfilled their end of the contract; now he doesn't want to fulfill
his obligation, the same way he watched his teammates fade in 2006.

He knows that this winter -- when he's 36, turning 37 next May -- he has a better chance of scoring the
four-year, $100M deal he has told teammates he can get than he will after the 2010 season, when he'll be
38 turning 39. He doesn't want to have to sweat for two years at a measly $20M, and everyone knows that
he couldn't care less how he gets that $100M, even if it means sitting out and leaving "family" fighting it out
without him.

Manny is right. The Red Sox are tired of him. They are not going to pick up the option for 2009 and spend
one more year as his prisoner. What he wants is to go to another team, on which he can put up big
numbers for two months and either get that new contract, or go out on the market. Rationally, one would
think he could do that in Boston -- first help the Red Sox into the postseason, then hit the market.

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Thanks for the 2 rings Manny. But if you continue to duck the best pitchers - hey good riddance.
8:47 PM Jul 31st
 
Richie
Yup. You right, me wrong.
6:30 PM Jul 31st
 
Richie
Tepidly viewing 'things Manny' always from afar (midwest, now northwest), my impression was that Manny's problems were always in-season, including dogging it every now and then. If previously it was limited to 'flaking out' but now has descended to 'dogging it', well it is now looking more like they're serious this time. We'll see in a few more hours, I guess.
2:39 PM Jul 31st
 
ScottHam
I think the fact that Manny appears to have been intentionally dogging it this time is rather significant. Doing it during a pennant race comes across as much more destructive than his off-season ramblings, enough so that it appears the Red Sox are taking the notion a lot more seriously if you can believe the press coverage.
11:00 AM Jul 31st
 
Richie
How many times in the past 4-5 years have people said, "Now the Red Sox HAVE to trade Manny!" What makes this time especially different? They won't, and if nothing else Manny will play for next year's contract.
11:13 AM Jul 30th
 
 
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